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Does MCU Thor actually have bad skill? (79 votes)
Yes 44%
No 56%
Thor can certainly be argued to be strong but what about skill?
He's lost to Thanos, Kurse, Hela, Gorr, Ultron.
And beat Hulk (Sorta), Loki in a straight on fight, Out of prime Surtur, Destroyer.
He beat amped malekith but through environment.
In 5/9 of his fights he loses to peers in strength or slightly stronger opponents in combat but when he won his fights it was against people physically weaker than him.
Is Thor's skill actually just his raw physicals? He doesn't seemed to have defeated anyone with noticable skill, even Loki whose weaker managed to compete with Thor despite being stomped by Valkyrie.
He actually kept up with Thanos in CQC and even pressed him:
In EG Base Thor could break physically Thanos’s grip
He could also physically prevent Thanos from killing him for a lengthy amount of time while in a massively disadvantaged leverage position and while Thanos had the chance to push his entire body weight down into the axe plunge.
Meanwhile Lightning mode Thor performs similarly by physically bringing Thanos to his knees
So essentially both Pre-L&T base and lightning mode Thor performed at the physically weaker but comparable to Thanos level strength.
And Hela, and Kurse are also skilled opponents.
And Thor kept up with Hela in combat well before unlocking his Awakened Mode. And then did far better after unlocking it:
A noob Awakened Thor was already capable of reacting to Hela's thrown blades multiple times:
Thor reacts to Hela's blades.
Yeah. She definitely blitzes him.
So people acting as if he gets blitzed and impaled like fodder is just hilarious.
And that's ignoring the fact that Hela was essentially Immortal with endless regen and stamina on Asgard. While Thor didn't have those advantages. And was getting tired as the fight against her went on for longer.
Meanwhile, Kurse was repeatedly shown to be someone you can't outskill due to his stats advantage. He even smacked Mjolnir for crying out loud.
So him being unskilled is memes. It's not that he's unskilled, it's that his opponents themselves had advantages, the stats to contend or overpower him to the point skills won't matter, or the skills to fight him.
Kate Bishop and Wanda are above him I'd go low to say Karli is more skilled than him.
Neither Kate or Karli have shown skills near the people he contends with such as Hela & Thanos. And that's ignoring how Karli relies on her stats in fights and isn't very skilled.
And Wanda hasn't really showed combat skills above him either, or against anyone worth their weight with good feats. She usually uses her hax and Telekinesis to beat those near Thor level such as Thanos.
I would argue his skill is minimal at best. While he has learned skill during his lifetime, he should be far more skilled then he actually is. Instead, what he does is rely on his stats almost entirely. Which makes sense logically as you wouldn't classify Hulk or Superman to be very skilled either. They are all brawlers with superior stats most of the time.
By contrast... just about every human fighter in the MCU has been shown to be massively above him in skill.
We can even directly compare him to a Human character roughly the same age as him in Wenwu and it isn't even close.
I can think of like 50 characters that could take him 1v1 depowered h2h off the top of my head. That is way below average.
So kurse is skilled now??? He’s literally just a mindless brute or has as much common sense as the hulk.
Thor is not skilled he’s average every MCU street leveler with any relevance stomps him in the skill department.
Cap, Bucky, Taskmaster, Daredevil, iron fist, Shang, wenwu, widow, Yelana, Wasp, Panther, Okoye, Loki, Gamora, Nebula, and this list goes on…..
Hela is not skilled either she has constantly been tagged in every fight she’s been in even by fodder she literally wins her fights from her blades (which are not H2H) and her superior stats.
Thor is average he can beat mindless brutes (Hulk) but loses to skilled warriors (Thanos)
Kate Bishop and Wanda are above him I'd go low to say Karli is more skilled than him.
Neither Kate or Karli have shown skills near the people he contends with such as Hela & Thanos.
And Wanda hasn't really showed combat skills above him either against anyone worth their weight. She usually uses her hax and Telekinesis to beat those near Thor level such as Thanos.
Maybe not Karli, but Kate was able to somewhat? exchange blows with Yelena (even though she was outclassed) who was on equal footing with Natasha who is above both Thanos and Hela by a large amount and I believe she was stated to be a black belt in martial arts. Hela's skill is nothing worth noting besides taking on an army of asgardians and even then she used her necroswords to her advantage. Thor has never contended with Thanos in skill besides briefly contending with him in strength.
Wanda coats her hands with energy to make up for the stat gap when she engages in CqC. What Wanda does is no different from her using gauntlets to block incoming attacks. She's shown to flow with their movements and match their speed which requires skill, accuracy, and precision.
Guaranteed If a random TK user tried to engage any skilled person they would be left exposed with many openings. Wanda successfully matched, blocked, and reacted to Thanos. Meanwhile in comparison to Thor's performance, Thanos was able to outskill and disarm Thor and continuously pummel him. Thanos did not have the chance to do that with Wanda because she wasn't exposed to any opening.
What you cited in your above post is a contest of strength rather than skill.
He most certainly never displays good skill. I think that is just bad directing though and it is hard to blame the character for that. In Love & Thunder he literally stands around for 5 minutes instead of helping the people around him fighting for their lives. Stupid shit like that holds him back.
Maybe not Karli, but Kate was able to somewhat? exchange blows with Yelena
Yelenea did not go all-out because she liked Kate and considered her a buddy. And even then Yelena is nothing in comparison to Hela & Thanos in skills.
who was on equal footing with Natasha who is above both Thanos and Hela by a large amount
1. No she isn't equal to Natasha. Nat is arguably equal or above a serious Cap, While a holding back Hawkeye was keeping up with a Bloodlusted Yelena.
2. I doubt Widow is > Thanos in terms of skill. The same dude who was taking on Tony, Thor, and Cap at the same time. And Thor already took on a bunch of Shield Agents on his own with 0 powers.
Wanda coats her hands with energy to make up for the stat gap when she engages in CqC. What Wanda does is no different from her using gauntlets to block incoming attacks. She's shown to flow with their movements and match their speed which requires skill, accuracy, and precision.
1. And who did she engage in CQC to show that she's more skilled than Thor? And I'm talking someone with actual good scaling and feats.
2. As far as I remember, she usually uses her Telekinesis to get rid of her enemies. She couldn't do anything against Base Thanos in CQC and was getting pushed back until she used a powerful Vibranium busting blast to stagger him so that she could catch him in her Telekinesis.
Meanwhile, Thor disarmed, slowed down, and pressed Thanos and made him grit his teeth in CQC:
In EG Base Thor could break physically Thanos’s grip and disarms him of his weapon on his own:
He could also physically prevent Thanos from killing him for a lengthy amount of time while in a massively disadvantaged leverage position and while Thanos had the chance to push his entire body weight down into the axe plunge:
Meanwhile, Lightning mode Thor performs similarly by physically bringing Thanos to his knees and had him gritting his teeth:
So essentially both Pre-L&T base and lightning mode Thor performed at the physically weaker but comparable to Thanos level strength.
Can't see Kate or replicating the above, or what Thanos did against three skilled opponents such as Steve, Thor, and Tony.
Guaranteed If a random TK user tried to engage any skilled person they would be left exposed with many openings. Wanda successfully matched, blocked, and reacted to Thanos.
No she did not. She was first using her Telekinesis to throw giant rocks which did nothing to Thanos other than make him drop his sword:
And then resorted to blasting him, which he tanked and shrugged off while grabbing his sword:
Before he then started to push her back and down on one knee with her barely keeping up with him in Strength & CQC (This is a highly sped-up version so I can make a HQ Gif):
Wanda was barley blocking and required possibly one of if not her strongest hex blast just to stagger Thanos so that she may catch him in her Telekinesis grip:
Meanwhile, Thor disarmed and marched Thanos in strength.
While Wanda required powerful blasts just to make him drop his sword after she used Telekinesis on object to throw at him. And another powerful blast to break his sword. She was barely blocking his blows while being driven back and only did something of use when he was pressing her with his strength and pushed her down to one knee. She then used that powerful Vibranium busting blast to break his sword and to stagger him before grabbing him in her Telekinesis.
So what you claimed here:
Guaranteed If a random TK user tried to engage any skilled person they would be left exposed with many openings. Wanda successfully matched, blocked, and reacted to Thanos.
Is contradictory to the scene, because Wanda didn't do it in pure CQC and did not match Thanos. She used her hax to beat him.
Meanwhile in comparison to Thor's performance, Thanos was able to outskill and disarm Thor and continuously pummel him.
Yeah. Let's just ignore the fact that Thor matched and disarmed Thanos in CQC and had him gritting his teeth in a strength contest:
In EG Base Thor could break physically Thanos’s grip and disarms him of his weapon on his own:
He could also physically prevent Thanos from killing him for a lengthy amount of time while in a massively disadvantaged leverage position and while Thanos had the chance to push his entire body weight down into the axe plunge:
Meanwhile, Lightning mode Thor performs similarly by physically bringing Thanos to his knees and had him gritting his teeth:
So essentially both Pre-L&T base and lightning mode Thor performed at the physically weaker but comparable to Thanos level strength.
The above never happened. Nope.
Thanos did not have the chance to do that with Wanda because she wasn't exposed to any opening.
Correction: Thanos did not have the chance to do that with Wamda because she was using and abusing her Hax such as Telekinesis and blasts against him. And was quickly overpowered and pushed down on one knee, in CQC.
What you cited in your above post is a contest of strength rather than skill.
Disarming Thanos is a skill feat, considering he still edges Thor in strength. And some of the examples used can also be classified as strength and hax rather than skill.
Thor is skilled. Just not a high tier in skill. This is a recurring trope in fiction. The street level characters who rely more on martial arts are usually more skilled than the very powerful characters who rely more on their powers. Even if these characters have thousands of years of fighting experience.
Thor is skilled just fine. He showed good skill against The Hulk on Sakaar. Though Hulk *wins that fight, Thor out-maneuvered him at nearly every beat.
He's just pretty slow, not very intuitive, and relies on raw power (and his sentient weapon) to win his fights.
An intuitive Thor would have gone for the head in Infinity War.
A fast Thor would not have been effectively defended against by Captain America and Iron Man in Avengers.
Thor is skilled. Just not a high tier in skill. This is a recurring trope in fiction. The street level characters who rely more on martial arts are usually more skilled than the very powerful characters who rely more on their powers. Even if these characters have thousands of years of fighting experience.
I like how Thor has a plethora of more powers than WW, is physically tiers above her physically but is still more skilled by feats.
What you cited in your above post is a contest of strength rather than skill.
And it was pretty damn close from the looks of it. The WoG confirmed stronger L&T Thor is above that physically so he’d definitely be physically superior to Thanos currently. Albeit not by a huge margin as we need more feats from current Post-L&T Thor.
Thor is skilled, but only enough to where it matters. Skill is needed to a certain point until stats take over. A street leveler needs high skill cuz the majority of opponents are in their stat range, Thor and others don't rely on skill becuase a majority of their opponents are below them.
So kurse is skilled now??? He’s literally just a mindless brute or has as much common sense as the hulk.
Thor is not skilled he’s average every MCU street leveler with any relevance stomps him in the skill department.
Cap, Bucky, Taskmaster, Daredevil, iron fist, Shang, wenwu, widow, Yelana, Wasp, Panther, Okoye, Loki, Gamora, Nebula, and this list goes on…..
Hela is not skilled either she has constantly been tagged in every fight she’s been in even by fodder she literally wins her fights from her blades (which are not H2H) and her superior stats.
Thor is average he can beat mindless brutes (Hulk) but loses to skilled warriors (Thanos)
I agree with you on everything other than the fact hela isnt skilled she beat a whole army by herself and she got tagged once or twice the whole time she is skilled even though she does use her blades a lot she has some level of skill
Thor has skill, problem with MCU Thor is they made him low IQ and clumsy, so he does something badass but messes up so to clumsiness or loses due to his ignorance of the capabilities of his appointment. Not to mention most of his appointments are more skilled.
I don't think you know what the word "clumsy" means. He as has never once been displayed as such in a fight. Getting out maneuvered by better opponents doesn't make him clumsy.
He's decently skilled but that's it. So are Thanos and Hela. Thanos is really overrated when it comes to skill honestly. Dude mainly relies on massive stat advantage
Yes he is skilled, there are a hundred and one instances of him demonstrating all types of fighting skills…there are few more skilled. He suffers from being cast as comedy now so he often does goofy things even in fights so the audience can laugh at the “lovable buffoon”.
One thing's for sure, MCU characters are all below humans in terms of skill as evident with cap being superior to thanos to the point of basically blitzing him and we know thanos >>>> every other character in terms of skill so there you go.
One thing's for sure, MCU characters are all below humans in terms of skill as evident with cap being superior to thanos to the point of basically blitzing him and we know thanos >>>> every other character in terms of skill so there you go.
''...MCU characters are all below humans in terms of skill as evident with Cap being superior to thanos...''
How does the above statement make sense to you?
OT: Thor is actually one of the most skilled fighter in the MCU...
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