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#1 Posted by FREAKY1 (131 posts) - - Show Bio

i know he does not have an attack to bust a galaxy/uni but does he have the power/strength to

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#2 Posted by Fallschirmjager (23432 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#4 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

No

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#5 Edited by mikex20 (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk in space has no appeal to me. I prefer him smashing on Earth.

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#6 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (9130 posts) - - Show Bio

@mikex20 said:

Hulk in space has no appeal to me. I prefer him smashing on Earth.

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#8 Posted by PowerHerc (86188 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#9 Posted by Emperorb777 (11377 posts) - - Show Bio

LMAO

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#10 Posted by batmannflash (6299 posts) - - Show Bio

No...

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#11 Edited by ownagepants (5012 posts) - - Show Bio

if you combined hulk with galactus i wonder what you would get.

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#12 Edited by MonsterStomp (36973 posts) - - Show Bio

No. How is he even suppose to bust it? Thunder clap? He'll break his arms over and over again trying.

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#13 Posted by dondave (41760 posts) - - Show Bio

No way in hell

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#14 Posted by ntb101 (956 posts) - - Show Bio

no

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#15 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (6868 posts) - - Show Bio
Black Bolt gives you the symbol to gain some common sense.
Black Bolt gives you the symbol to gain some common sense.

No......just no.

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#16 Posted by RetconCrisis (5593 posts) - - Show Bio

How would he? He has no range/energy attacks, so he wouldn't be able to destroy two separate objects with one punch. If it were a character from DBZ, that makes sense because they have ki energy blasts. But Hulk is just melee. And thunderclap won't be enough to even destroy a planet. Not nearly enough energy to produce something the size of the Big Bang.

Hulk no understand how
Hulk no understand how

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#17 Posted by AngryHulks (3781 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes!!!!!

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#18 Posted by FREAKY1 (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp: i said i know he doest have a certain attack to, im saying does he have the power to, as in with all that strength he has if he did have an attack could he do it?

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#20 Edited by dum529001 (3992 posts) - - Show Bio

YES HE CAN:

First of all let me ask...

Which is greater?

A. the energy required to pull earth out its orbit of the sun

OR

B. the energy required to reverse the planet's orbit, therefore pushing back and overpowering the electromagnetic force the sun puts on the earth?

The answer is B.

If you would actually read it, this is exactly what the Hulk is shown doing in this comic scan:

Overpowering a field of energy endowed with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet(Tales to Astonish#89)

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Hulk has the power to move a planet at baseline.

The fact that the field strength needed to be increased is proof that Hulk was contesting that kind of power.

Even so, Hulk showed power to overcome a planet's kinetic energy, which is better than overcoming the force it has while it's just sitting there in its static state.

It takes 632 quadrillion 850 trillion megatons(6.3285*10^17) just to stop the earth's orbit. Hulk overpowered energy that could not only stop a planet's orbit but reverse it as well, which means Hulk was able to put out even more power than that.

The gravitational binding energy of earth is 224 nontillion joules(224,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). There is 4 quadrillion 184 trillion joules per megaton(1 Mt = 4,184,000,000,000,000 J). Therefore, it takes 53 quadrillion 537 trillion 285 billion megatons to smash earth to smithereens(5.3537285*10^16). According to what Hulk has shown, Hulk can also destroy a planet at his baseline power level.

Do you know how fast a 1 ton object has to move to put out energy equal to earth's orbital energy?

Since it takes 632 quadrillion 850 trillion megatons or 2 decillion 700 nontillion joules(2.7*10^33)to stop earth's orbit then we just need input 1 ton as our mass value and solve for the speed.

2.7*10^33 Joules=½(1000 kg)(X meters per second)^2

2.7*10^33 Joules/500= 5.4*10^30 = 5,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (dividing)

X^2= 5,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (find the square root of 5 nontillion 400 octillion)

X=2,323,790,000,000,000 m/s (the value of X found!!!)

That's 2 quadrillion 323 trillion 790 billion meters per second!

The speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s. So how much faster than light is a 1 ton object with earth's orbital energy?

2,323,790,000,000,000 meters per second/299,792,458 meters per second=7,751,329.08781

That's 7 million 751 thousand 329 times faster than the speed of light(with some decimal points)!! An incredible speed!

Since the arm is only 6 percent of the body's mass the real speed would be:

6% of 1000 kg= 60 kg

2.7*10^33 Joules=½(60 kg)(X meters per second)^2

2.7*10^33 Joules/30=9*10^31= 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (dividing)

X^2= 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (find the square root of 90 nontillion)

X= 9.486833*10^15= 9,486,833,000,000,000 m/s(the value of X found!!!)

That's 9 quadrillion 486 trillion 833 billion meters per second.

9,486,833,000,000,000 meters per second/299,792,458 meters pers second= 31644668.6594

That's 31 million 644 thousand 668 times the speed of light!(with decimal points) An incredible display of Hulk's superhuman speed.

At a second meeting years later, The Stranger recognize that Hulk was even stronger than before because once again, Hulk shrugs off the energy that the Stranger uses in an attempt to render him motionless inMarvel Two-In-One annual #2:

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Here's Hulk doing a feat of great cosmic proportions once again:

Applying force to the space-time structure itself to prevent the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure(Defenders#3)(with the size of the singularity estimated in about seven feets according to the Schwarzschild radius, then it's mass/gravitational attraction, by the equivalence principle, is thus equivalent to roughly two hundreds Earths),

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Hulk matches power and withstands attacks from Galaxy Master, a foe with planet-splitting power, not once but twice! in incredible Hulk #112and incredible Hulk #270:

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Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master, from Incredible Hulk #112:

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Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master rematch, from Incredible Hulk #270:

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One of the Hulk's sons, Hiro-Kala, has the power to throw a planet at the earth with planet-busting force with the use of two power sources known as the "old-power" and "new-power" but the Hulk resists his power inIncredible Hulks #615-16:

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World War Hulk vs Hiro Kala, from Incredible Hulks #615-16:

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Here's the Whole Scene of Hulk Pushing apart the two Spheres of Matter and Anti-matter (Marvel Team-Up Annual#2):

This feat involving matter and anti matter is akin to the "irrestible force meets the immovable object".

Anti-matter electrons are on opposite spin from normal matter's electrons and when they collide they start destroy each other and those forces of atomic destruction are converted into energy, the matter and antimatter being destroyed in the process.

It would take unending amounts of energy to stop the energy conversion, becasue matter and antimatter don't stop bashing each other once they come into contact. To stop the release of energy you'd need irrestible resistance forces.

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Classic Dr. Strange's mystic barrier can't withstand the punches of "the most powerful creature on the face of the Earth," from Defenders #18:

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Savage Hulk's punches against the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak cause such painful feedback against classic Dr. Strange, he loses concentration and gives Savage Hulk an opportunity to escape inIncredible Hulk#207:

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A Mindless Hulk easily tears through Dr. Strange's mystic barrier in Incredible Hulk #299:

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He's literally snuffed out Dormammu's head with a sneak attack from behind in Defenders vol.3 #5:

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Even the Collector's most powerful forcefield is shattered by Savage Hulk's punches in Incredible Hulk#198:

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And any such notion that the Gray Hulk can never achieve the heights of other Hulks' strength levels should be dismissed in the face of the following infamous feat. Launched by experimental anti-magnetic jet-propelled rocket springs, the Gray Hulk busts apart an asteroid measured to beTWICE the size of the Earth in Marvel Comics Presents #52:

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Gray Hulk definitely does not lack in striking power as he manages to best the Abomination. "On paper, the Abomination may, technically, be the more powerfulof the two. The [Gray] Hulk never read those papers." From Incredible Hulk Annual #15:

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When push comes to shove, the Gray Hulk is more than capable of wrestling Wonder Man toe-to-toe in Hulk Smash Avengers #4:

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Without any sort of leverage against Glorian's bands, a power reality warper, Gray Hulk still musters enough strength to break free in Incredible Hulk #355:

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And no description of mine can supplant the comic's own description here when Savage Hulk confronts a forcefield of Deviant technology powered by the Sacred Flame: "That something -- anything -- could grip hold of an energy field should be impossible! But the Hulk grabs hold just the same! The field begins to stretch like a physical thing in his grasp -- as he pushes and pulls with ever-increasing might, until -- the barrier collapses!" From Incredible Hulk #242:

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Ripping off a powerful device designed to fight against the Celestials(Incredible Hulk #242)(levelling down, if it could withstand power proportional toKubik's, many orders of magnitude inferior to the Celestials, that's already significant)

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A Mindless Hulk literally tears Nightmare's Realm apart (Incredible Hulk #299)

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In an attempt to counter a attack from Night-Crawler, the Savage Hulk slams his hands together with so much force that not only does he defuse the attack, but he manages to destroy all the planets/landmasses within the entire dimension(Incredible Hulk #126)!

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Sending concussive force throughout countless dimensions by the impact of his collision with theIronclad(Incredible Hulk#305)(entire dimensions, and not multiversal planets. First, the writer describes dimensions and where there are planets there are also dimensions, since every planet is situated in dimensions. Therefore to send concussive force to planets propitiates send concussive force to dimensions and their multitudes of astronomical entities. Second, there are dimensions without planets: Universes in the beginning of formation, universes where equal quantities of matter and antimatter were produced and generated only radiation, etc. Besides, there are infinite inter-branched parallel universes in the Omniverse. Therefore the postulate that suggests only planets received the entire energy is probabilistically equal to zero. Finally, the planets shown there were just examples of what occurred inside the dimensions. The same argument is applied for the premise that they were only sub-sections of the universe, just replacing the words "planet" for "sub-dimension" and "dimension" for "universe". It is important to perceive that the U-Foes's powers were vastly augmented while on Earth, so that Vectorrepelled reality itself and transported them to theCrossroads)(Incredible Hulk#304).

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Hulk contains the energy of an parallel universe in incredible Hulk #349-350:

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Hulk destroys the armor of Onslaught, a foe who's power was on par with the Celestials, with a shot delivered from the ground without any leverage in Onslaught: Marvel Universe#1:

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In Marvel: The End #4, the Celestial Order powered by the Heart of the Universe, one-shot Namor and Dr. Strange while Savage Hulk shrugs off those same blasts:

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Hulk has also tanked a shot form emma frost , who had 1/2 of the phoenix force, and showed no Sign of damage whatsoever in Avengers vs. X-men #11:

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Hulk fights the Red Hulk!!

Red Hulk beats down Uatu, the Watcher through his ability of absorbing energy from other Super-powered Beings enhance his own strength in Hulk #4.

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Hulk vs Red Hulk(First fight) in Hulk #4

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Red Hulk beats down Odinforce-Thor in the same way he beat the Watcher in Hulk #5

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Hulk finally beats Red Hulk in Hulk #6

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World War Hulk was powerful enough to match an all-out Sentry, a guy with the power of a million exploding suns, blow for blow in World War Hulk #5:

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Hulk fights and defeats Dr. Strange while he's possessed by Zom, a demon even more powerful than Dr. Strange,Dormmamu or Umar

Zom-possessed Strange literally blew gaping holes through World War Hulk and he'd heal them in the space of panels, from World War Hulk #4:

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Everything done in the World War Hulk storyline is Hulk holding back with his punches. Amadeus Cho confirms that with his abilities in Hulk Vs Hercules: When Titans Collide #1:

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There isn't really anybody in comics who gets a second wind like World War Hulk. After Bruce and Bob beat the alter-egos out of each other, a spike of anger just brings back a seemingly exhausted World War Hulk to full power... and beyond. From World War Hulk #5:

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and there he is going "worldbreaker"...

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As he ascends towards Worldbreaker levels, the shockwaves from even a single footstep are felt for hundreds of miles around, tossing helicopters in the air, and causing nearly irreparable damage to the bedrock of the Eastern Seaboard.

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Even after he allowed the heroes to drain his gamma away, the damage he caused would have split Manhattan Island in half. From World War Hulk: Aftersmash#1:

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The consequences of the Worldbreaker's shockwaves are unequivocally continental in scale. Amadeus Cho reminds Red She-Hulk, "I know. I'm not worried about you... just the rest of the freaking continent." FromIncredible Hulks #632:

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(Incredible Hulks #610-611)

It's made clear that the "worldbreaker" power-level wasn't just a one time feat. When he's pushed towards Worldbreaker levels again, the shockwaves produced are felt once again throughout the Eastern Seaboard mirroring his previous footstep. From Incredible Hulk #610:

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Here are Hulk's fights with his Son, Skaar, as the "World Breaker":

Savage Hulk vs Skaar, from Skaar: Son of Hulk #12:

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And Again....

So we know, at worldbreaker power-levels, the Hulk ( and red she-hulk) make the earth quake merely by standing and could sink continents with a footstep.

obviously there's a difference in the amount of effort put into a punch and a footstep. Punches pack way more power and proportion speed than footsteps.

Merely by clashing with Red She-hulk, WB Hulk indirectly......

A. destroyed a planet

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B. vaporized a guy on Silver Sufer power-level, as well as guys who rivaled Hulk at base-levels, and the Mindless ones(he even lets the guys attack him so he can amp up that much faster!!).

None of these things were even remotely the focal point of WB Hulk's attack, so they were taking the smallest effects of Hulk's(and Red She-hulk's) power, but they were still destroyed. That's just shows how insanely powerful WB Hulk is.

In a fight, when like-forces collide, 99.99 percert of that force should cancel out between the two forces. Some Marvel characters have been shown rocking and decimating universes merely by the collision of them and their opponent's power. The tiny bit of leftover force from their collsion was enough to decimate planets and universes!!!! That's just crazy powerful.

It's plain to see that worlbreaker Hulk's power is far above the average planet-busting powerhouse.

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World War Hulk tosses Fin Fang Foom backwards with such force that Umar's enchanted shields are shattered in Incredible Hulks #634:

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Despite the Red Hulk having forcibly absorbed some of World War Hulk's gamma energies, he is defeated by a final thunderclap in Hulk #24:

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One of the most powerful entities Marvel ever published, a living cosmic cube, the Beyonder, famously commented, "You are nothing but raging power personified! An infinity of power -- with no finite elementinside!" From Secret Wars II #2:

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The Mad Titan Thanos famously shared such trepidation when faced with the assault of a Power Gem wielding Champion, "In many ways I assume this is what it would be like battling the Terran behemoth, the Hulk. A conflict I've sought to avoid over the years." From Thanos Quest#1:

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Various villains have recognized the Hulk's power. Apocalypse takes great notice of the Hulk's energies as they "may give [him] power over the Celestials themselves." FromIncredible Hulk #456:

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Even the impossibly powerful Celestials recognize the Hulk's power. Gamiel the Manipulator searched for (and found in Hulk), "evolution's crowning achievement -- the pinnacle of what your species will become..." From Marvel Monsters: Devil Dinosaur #1:

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Doc Sampson finds that, through his own battery of tests, "There truly seems to be no limit to the Hulk's strength!" From Incredible Hulk #228:

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Here's Hulk overwhelming a quantum molder designed by Ultron to liquify and mold adamantium. During the fight Mad thinker, through mathematical formula, shows us once again what is already known to many, that Hulk's strength is incalculable in Indestructible Hulk#1:

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Bruce Banner comes to the realization that the Hulk is incurable in indestructible Hulk #1:

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Once again, it should be noted that Hulk is incurable because he is indestructible. Bruce Banner himself notes this when he says" I've come to believe the Hulk is indestructible" inindestructible Hulk #2:

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Even the mutated super-genius, Leader, realizes, "The tests are worthless! There's no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do! I cannot build a device powerful enough to test him with!" FromTales to Astonish #73:

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#21 Posted by Blackdog2009 (3761 posts) - - Show Bio

NO!!!

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#22 Posted by Bezza (5019 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Posted by youmessinwithme (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001:

It should be noted that Dormmamu had lost his power it had been drained from him by umar his sister when the Hulk clapped his head out.

as for the topic a... hella NO!

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#24 Posted by deactivated-5a162dd41dd64 (8662 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#25 Posted by kgb725 (19552 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes

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#26 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

A Planet? Yes.

A planet sized thousand times earth? Probably yes, as world breaker, given a while.

A sun sized one? To give him benifit of doubt, if world breaker whacks at it for quite a long while, and gets angrier, it could be destroyed.

A Solar system sized? nope.

Galaxy and universe are way, way, way out of his league.

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#27 Edited by tensor (8577 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks: How is this showing that he can destroy a galaxy?

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#28 Edited by SOG7dc (11368 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes he can:

First of all let me ask...

Which is greater?

A. the energy required to pull earth out its orbit of the sun

OR

B. the energy required to reverse the planet's orbit, therefore pushing back and overpowering the electromagnetic force the sun puts on the earth?

The answer is B.

If you would actually read it, this is exactly what the Hulk is shown doing in this comic scan:

Overpowering a field of energy endowed with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet(Tales to Astonish#89)

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Hulk has the power to move a planet at baseline.

The fact that the field strength needed to be increased is proof that Hulk was contesting that kind of power.

Even so, Hulk showed power to overcome a planet's kinetic energy, which is better than overcoming the force it has while it's just sitting there in its static state.

It takes 632 quadrillion 850 trillion megatons(6.3285*10^17) just to stop the earth's orbit. Hulk overpowered energy that could not only stop a planet's orbit but reverse it as well, which means Hulk was able to put out even more power than that.

The gravitational binding energy of earth is 224 nontillion joules(224,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). There is 4 quadrillion 184 trillion joules per megaton(1 Mt = 4,184,000,000,000,000 J). Therefore, it takes 53 quadrillion 537 trillion 285 billion megatons to smash earth to smithereens(5.3537285*10^16). According to what Hulk has shown, Hulk can also destroy a planet at his baseline power level.

At a second meeting years later, The Stranger recognize that Hulk was even stronger than before because once again, Hulk shrugs off the energy that the Stranger uses in an attempt to render him motionless inMarvel Two-In-One annual #2:

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Here's Hulk doing a feat of great cosmic proportions once again:

Applying force to the space-time structure itself to prevent the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure(Defenders#3)(with the size of the singularity estimated in about seven feets according to the Schwarzschild radius, then it's mass/gravitational attraction, by the equivalence principle, is thus equivalent to roughly two hundreds Earths),

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Hulk matches power and withstands attacks from Galaxy Master, a foe with planet-splitting power, not once but twice! in incredible Hulk #112and incredible Hulk #270:

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Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master rematch, from Incredible Hulk #270:

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One of the Hulk's sons, Hiro-Kala, has the power to throw a planet at the earth with planet-busting force with the use of two power sources known as the "old-power" and "new-power" but the Hulk resists his power inIncredible Hulks #615-16:

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Here's the Whole Scene of Hulk Pushing apart the two Spheres of Matter and Anti-matter (Marvel Team-Up Annual#2):

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Classic Dr. Strange's mystic barrier can't withstand the punches of "the most powerful creature on the face of the Earth," from Defenders #18:

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Savage Hulk's punches against the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak cause such painful feedback against classic Dr. Strange, he loses concentration and gives Savage Hulk an opportunity to escape inIncredible Hulk#207:

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A Mindless Hulk easily tears through Dr. Strange's mystic barrier in Incredible Hulk #299:

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He's literally snuffed out Dormammu's head with a sneak attack from behind in Defenders vol.3 #5:

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Even the Collector's most powerful forcefield is shattered by Savage Hulk's punches in Incredible Hulk#198:

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And any such notion that the Gray Hulk can never achieve the heights of other Hulks' strength levels should be dismissed in the face of the following infamous feat. Launched by experimental anti-magnetic jet-propelled rocket springs, the Gray Hulk busts apart an asteroid measured to beTWICE the size of the Earth in Marvel Comics Presents #52:

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Gray Hulk definitely does not lack in striking power as he manages to best the Abomination. "On paper, the Abomination may, technically, be the more powerfulof the two. The [Gray] Hulk never read those papers." From Incredible Hulk Annual #15:

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When push comes to shove, the Gray Hulk is more than capable of wrestling Wonder Man toe-to-toe in Hulk Smash Avengers #4:

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Without any sort of leverage against Glorian's bands, a power reality warper, Gray Hulk still musters enough strength to break free in Incredible Hulk #355:

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And no description of mine can supplant the comic's own description here when Savage Hulk confronts a forcefield of Deviant technology powered by the Sacred Flame: "That something -- anything -- could grip hold of an energy field should be impossible! But the Hulk grabs hold just the same! The field begins to stretch like a physical thing in his grasp -- as he pushes and pulls with ever-increasing might, until -- the barrier collapses!" From Incredible Hulk #242:

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Ripping off a powerful device designed to fight against the Celestials(Incredible Hulk #242)(levelling down, if it could withstand power proportional toKubik's, many orders of magnitude inferior to the Celestials, that's already significant)

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A Mindless Hulk literally tears Nightmare's Realm apart (Incredible Hulk #299)

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In an attempt to counter a attack from Night-Crawler, the Savage Hulk slams his hands together with so much force that not only does he defuse the attack, but he manages to destroy all the planets/landmasses within the entire dimension(Incredible Hulk #126)!

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Sending concussive force throughout countless dimensions by the impact of his collision with theIronclad(Incredible Hulk#305)(entire dimensions, and not multiversal planets. First, the writer describes dimensions and where there are planets there are also dimensions, since every planet is situated in dimensions. Therefore to send concussive force to planets propitiates send concussive force to dimensions and their multitudes of astronomical entities. Second, there are dimensions without planets: Universes in the beginning of formation, universes where equal quantities of matter and antimatter were produced and generated only radiation, etc. Besides, there are infinite inter-branched parallel universes in the Omniverse. Therefore the postulate that suggests only planets received the entire energy is probabilistically equal to zero. Finally, the planets shown there were just examples of what occurred inside the dimensions. The same argument is applied for the premise that they were only sub-sections of the universe, just replacing the words "planet" for "sub-dimension" and "dimension" for "universe". It is important to perceive that the U-Foes's powers were vastly augmented while on Earth, so that Vectorrepelled reality itself and transported them to theCrossroads)(Incredible Hulk#304).

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Hulk contains the energy of an parallel universe in incredible Hulk #349-350:

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Hulk destroys the armor of Onslaught, a foe who's power was on par with the Celestials, with a shot delivered from the ground without any leverage in Onslaught: Marvel Universe#1:

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In Marvel: The End #4, the Celestial Order powered by the Heart of the Universe, one-shot Namor and Dr. Strange while Savage Hulk shrugs off those same blasts:

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Hulk has also tanked a shot form emma frost , who had 1/2 of the phoenix force, and showed no Sign of damage whatsoever in Avengers vs. X-men #11:

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Hulk fights the Red Hulk!!

Red Hulk beats down Uatu, the Watcher through his ability of absorbing energy from other Super-powered Beings enhance his own strength in Hulk #4.

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Red Hulk beats down Odinforce-Thor in the same way he beat the Watcher in Hulk #5

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World War Hulk was powerful enough to match an all-out Sentry, a guy with the power of a million exploding suns, blow for blow in World War Hulk #5:

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Hulk fights and defeats Dr. Strange while he's possessed by Zom, a demon even more powerful than Dr. Strange,Dormmamu or Umar

Zom-possessed Strange literally blew gaping holes through World War Hulk and he'd heal them in the space of panels, from World War Hulk #4:

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Everything done in the World War Hulk storyline is Hulk holding back with his punches. Amadeus Cho confirms that with his abilities in Hulk Vs Hercules: When Titans Collide #1:

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There isn't really anybody in comics who gets a second wind like World War Hulk. After Bruce and Bob beat the alter-egos out of each other, a spike of anger just brings back a seemingly exhausted World War Hulk to full power... and beyond. From World War Hulk #5:

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and there he is going "worldbreaker"...

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As he ascends towards Worldbreaker levels, the shockwaves from even a single footstep are felt for hundreds of miles around, tossing helicopters in the air, and causing nearly irreparable damage to the bedrock of the Eastern Seaboard.

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Even after he allowed the heroes to drain his gamma away, the damage he caused would have split Manhattan Island in half. From World War Hulk: Aftersmash#1:

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The consequences of the Worldbreaker's shockwaves are unequivocally continental in scale. Amadeus Cho reminds Red She-Hulk, "I know. I'm not worried about you... just the rest of the freaking continent." FromIncredible Hulks #632:

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(Incredible Hulks #610-611)

It's made clear that the "worldbreaker" power-level wasn't just a one time feat. When he's pushed towards Worldbreaker levels again, the shockwaves produced are felt once again throughout the Eastern Seaboard mirroring his previous footstep. From Incredible Hulk #610:

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Here are Hulk's fights with his Son, Skaar, as the "World Breaker":

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And Again....

So we know, at worldbreaker power-levels, the Hulk ( and red she-hulk) make the earth quake merely by standing and could sink continents with a footstep.

obviously there's a difference in the amount of effort put into a punch and a footstep. Punches pack way more power and proportion speed than footsteps.

Merely by clashing with Red She-hulk, WB Hulk indirectly......

A. destroyed a planet

AND

B. vaporized a guy on Silver Sufer power-level, as well as guys who rivaled Hulk at base-levels, and the Mindless ones(he even lets the guys attack him so he can amp up that much faster!!).

None of these things were even remotely the focal point of WB Hulk's attack, so they were taking the smallest effects of Hulk's(and Red She-hulk's) power, but they were still destroyed. That's just shows how insanely powerful WB Hulk is.

In a fight, when like-forces collide, 99.99 percert of that force should cancel out between the two forces. Some Marvel characters have been shown rocking and decimating universes merely by the collision of them and their opponent's power. The tiny bit of leftover force from their collsion was enough to decimate planets and universes!!!! That's just crazy powerful.

It's plain to see that worlbreaker Hulk's power is far above the average planet-busting powerhouse.

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World War Hulk tosses Fin Fang Foom backwards with such force that Umar's enchanted shields are shattered in Incredible Hulks #634:

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Despite the Red Hulk having forcibly absorbed some of World War Hulk's gamma energies, he is defeated by a final thunderclap in Hulk #24:

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One of the most powerful entities Marvel ever published, a living cosmic cube, the Beyonder, famously commented, "You are nothing but raging power personified! An infinity of power -- with no finite elementinside!" From Secret Wars II #2:

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The Mad Titan Thanos famously shared such trepidation when faced with the assault of a Power Gem wielding Champion, "In many ways I assume this is what it would be like battling the Terran behemoth, the Hulk. A conflict I've sought to avoid over the years." From Thanos Quest#1:

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Various villains have recognized the Hulk's power. Apocalypse takes great notice of the Hulk's energies as they "may give [him] power over the Celestials themselves." FromIncredible Hulk #456:

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Even the impossibly powerful Celestials recognize the Hulk's power. Gamiel the Manipulator searched for (and found in Hulk), "evolution's crowning achievement -- the pinnacle of what your species will become..." From Marvel Monsters: Devil Dinosaur #1:

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Doc Sampson finds that, through his own battery of tests, "There truly seems to be no limit to the Hulk's strength!" From Incredible Hulk #228:

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Here's Hulk overwhelming a quantum molder designed by Ultron to liquify and mold adamantium. During the fight Mad thinker, through mathematical formula, shows us once again what is already known to many, that Hulk's strength is incalculable in Indestructible Hulk#1:

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Even the mutated super-genius, Leader, realizes, "The tests are worthless! There's no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do! I cannot build a device powerful enough to test him with!" FromTales to Astonish #73:

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#29 Posted by Lvenger (36338 posts) - - Show Bio

Ignore looking at dum's out of context scans as the answer is still no.

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#30 Posted by TDK_1997 (18763 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#32 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8935 posts) - - Show Bio

He should never even have close to that amount of power, ever. At his absolute peak he should always remain far enough bellow normal level Thor that the God of Thunder should be able to absolutely destroy him without breaking a sweat. Hercules should be able to strangle him to death with his bare hands

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#33 Posted by KingAres109 (1624 posts) - - Show Bio

Its funny that some of his supports and fans believe he can.At least 2 guys believe he can.

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#34 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001: You realise not a single one of the scans you posted is even close to solar system level, right? We're talking about a galaxy here..

And the scans themselves were represented quite incorrect:

Number one:

First of all let me ask...

Which is greater?

A. the energy required to pull earth out its orbit of the sun

OR

B. the energy required to reverse the planet's orbit, therefore pushing back and overpowering the electromagnetic force the sun puts on the earth?

The answer is B.

No. The answer is NOT B.

The energy required to pull earth out of its orbit: You have to provide equal energy as the earth's potential due to earth, a basic physics problem: P.E. due to sun:

-G*M*m/R,

=( 6.67*10^-11*2*10^30*6*10^24 ) / 1.5*10^11 = 53.36*10^32

G: Universal gravitational constant, M: mass of sun, m: mass of earth, R: average radius of earth.

Energy required to completely reverse a planet's orbit: give it equal kinetic energy to stop it, and give it equal to make it move with same direction, opposite velocity:

Energy: 2*1/2*M*v^2= *10^24*3*3*10^8= 54*10^32

They are, as expected, almost equal. The force with which sun pulls it is the very cause why earth rotates, and stays in it's place. If we have to either reverse direction, or take it out of orbit, we have to overcome the very same force, by different methods. Neither is more impressive than other, energy wise.

I won't even begin with the random megatons and gigatons thrown around..

Two:

Applying force to the space-time structure itself to prevent the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure(Defenders#3)(with the size of the singularity estimated in about seven feets according to the Schwarzschild radius, then it's mass/gravitational attraction, by the equivalence principle, is thus equivalent to roughly two hundreds Earths),

Schwarzschild radius is usable for very specific conditions. You don't use it anywhere and expect the result to be correct 0_0

Three:

In an attempt to counter a attack from Night-Crawler, the Savage Hulk slams his hands together with so much force that not only does he defuse the attack, but he manages to destroy all the planets/landmasses within the entire dimension(Incredible Hulk #126)!

Sending concussive force throughout countless dimensions by the impact of his collision

Hulk contains the energy of an parallel universe

All three of them were pocket universes/dimensional universes. Mentioned in the very scans you posted. Not a regular, or standard universe.

Characters like ichigo can destroy them by sheer power up, but no one puts them above planet level.

Four:

Hulk Pushing apart the two Spheres of Matter and Anti-matter:

To be really honest with you, this would count as a really low end feat, instead of high end. Matter and antimatter, according to current theory, should attract with the same amount of force as matter and matter. If hulk has trouble holding balls that size.. he's not close to even planet scale. Not to mention even spiderman stood between them..

Five:

One of the most powerful entities Marvel ever published, a living cosmic cube, the Beyonder, famously commented, "You are nothing but raging power personified! An infinity of power -- with no finite elementinside!" From Secret Wars II #2:

Yes, but can hulk infinite power? Apparently not. There are too many people with theoritically infinite potential, but none of them have used that much..

And:

Hulk matches power and withstands attacks from Galaxy Master, a foe with planet-splitting power, not once but twice! inincredible Hulk #112and incredible Hulk #270:

One of the Hulk's sons, Hiro-Kala, has the power to throw a planet at the earth with planet-busting force with the use of two power sources known as the "old-power" and "new-power" but the Hulk resists his power inIncredible Hulks #615-16:

Classic Dr. Strange's mystic barrier can't withstand the punches of "the most powerful creature on the face of the Earth," from Defenders #18:

He's literally snuffed out Dormammu's head with a sneak attack from behind in Defenders vol.3 #5:

And any such notion that the Gray Hulk can never achieve the heights of other Hulks' strength levels should be dismissed in the face of the following infamous feat. Launched by experimental anti-magnetic jet-propelled rocket springs, the Gray Hulk busts apart an asteroid measured to beTWICE the size of the Earth in Marvel Comics Presents #52:

Gray Hulk definitely does not lack in striking power as he manages to best the Abomination.

Without any sort of leverage against Glorian's bands, a power reality warper, Gray Hulk still musters enough strength to break free

World War Hulk was powerful enough to match an all-out Sentry, a guy with the power of a million exploding suns, blow for blow in World War Hulk #5:

As he ascends towards Worldbreaker levels, the shockwaves from even a single footstep are felt for hundreds of miles around, tossing helicopters in the air, and causing nearly irreparable damage to the bedrock of the Eastern Seaboard.

Yes, we get he's planetary+ as world breaker.. I hate to burst your bubble, mate, but What you're showing doesn't even get close to solar system, We're talking about galaxy levels here..

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Galaxy is so large that I can't literally find a picture to scale solar system with it..

Not that I dislike the hulk, but putting him above multiplanet+ scale, even in his high tier versions, is overestimation at it's finest. Considering wb dies in the planet destruction.. Calling him star level is ignorance, solar system is downright trolling.

Galaxy and universe scales aren't even possible for hulk.

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#35 Posted by teddy_the_god_killer (346 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001: First things first ; nice one for the effort you went to to assemble the scans. I might not agree with you but I respect the time you took to collate everything. My opinion counts for nothing as does everyone else's because it is all subjective and theoretical. The powers that be could easily put out a comic tomorrow with the Hulk busting a universe and everyone would still be complaining. It's ok for some characters to be able to do top tier stuff but not others.

I cannot guess what the biggest thing the Hulk could bust, but he can produce gamma bursts...so here is a logical argument that some people will say is rubbish, but cannot counter. It is syllogism I know, but what is everyone else using???

  1. Hulk produces gamma bursts that can destroy things. They require no contact unlike a punch.
  2. He has no limit to his power. Your scans showed this many many times.
  3. He becomes denser the more stressed and powerful he becomes, he has the potential to become a black hole (I cannot be bothered knocking out equations because they are boring and no one ever takes real maths seriously, but it is possible).
  4. If he can put out enough power he could match a hypernova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypernova) wiki gives a simple description the mechanics etc. He has limitless power.

Universe busting, I do not think so (no comics really have any real world answers for how top tier guys do epic things, it is magic or some cosmic power). But galaxy busting could be written without to much PIS. It is a shame this was not available on the Battle Forum. I think it demonstrates that Hulk could overpower Superman. I like the Hulk, never enough to trade insults with people, but I have a lot more respect for the character now. Thank you for the education.

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#36 Edited by dum529001 (3992 posts) - - Show Bio

The feat involving matter and anti matter is akin to the "irrestible force meets the immovable object".

Anti-matter electrons are on opposite spin from normal matter and when they collide they start destroy each other and those forces of atomic destruction are converted into energy, the matter and antimatter being destroyed in the process.

It would take unending amounts of energy to stop the energy conversion, becasue matter and antimatter don't stop bashing each other once they come into contact. To stop the release of energy you'd need irrestible resistance forces.

Asgard is about as big as a continent or something. No where near as big as a whole universe anyway.

And no, not all gods, demons and hell lords have realms as small as Asgard. A handful have a whole universe to themselves.

Cyttorrak has his own universe. Ask anyone in the MU.

Dormmau has his own universe. Ask anyone in the MU.

The Nameless one have their own universe. the Defenders certainly know this

The Dark Crawler has his one own universe and when Hulk destoyed it Dark Crawler took over the universe of the Nameless ones.

Nihghmare has the dreams dimension. I'm not sure what significane of that is but given how powerful nighcrwaler is, given the great feats of power he's done, Hulk making him helpless is pretty impressive.

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#37 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

The feat involving matter and anti matter is akin to the "irrestible force meets the immovable object".

Anti-matter electrons are on opposite spin from normal matter and when they collide they start destroy each other and those forces of atomic destruction are converted into energy, the matter and antimatter being destroyed in the process.

It would take unending amounts of energy to stop the energy conversion, becasue matter and antimatter don't stop bashing each other once they come into contact. To stop the release of energy you'd need irrestible resistance forces.

He didn't really stop the energy. He just kept the explosion from happening. Like stopping the fuse of a bomb from burning. Not actual exploding of bomb, which actually took place afterward..

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#38 Edited by SC (18159 posts) - - Show Bio

As a fictional character sure, just like any fictional character could. Then again when asking such questions you might want to define what you mean, since universes and galaxies vary in size, and magnitude, the likes of which are greater than the differences between say an ant and an elephant. Also bust and destroy's definitions likewise vary and depend on context. I could drop my computer and if I try to turn it on and it doesn't, it means I effectively destroyed it. Then again if I compacted my entire computer into my hands and rolled it into a tight dense ball of electronics and crushed it into small a delicate powder... well thats more impressive and a much more through destruction of it.

My computer is pretty easy to define and distinguish though, and are named for what they are, galaxies and universes by definition are usually made up out of things that not only are, but aren't. At least as far as people who define and distinguish these things, usually study them. Most fictional writers don't tend to study them to the same degree so you can have lots of inconsistency and liberties taken. Hulk's so called potential for infinite strength? Not really that impressive technically speaking, but what is impressive is that he has an internal source of energy that is connected to a large source of energy and that he can use that to power himself. Its not unique but its consistent. Has rarely demonstrated such power though as far as his own consistency, but isn't really limited in any hard sense.

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#39 Posted by brainstorm01 (1702 posts) - - Show Bio

hulk ...this is only way for you to destroy galaxy so listion carefully

Get a potera earing set and combine with someone like goku,gl,supes,thor etc.

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#41 Edited by dum529001 (3992 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001 said:

The feat involving matter and anti matter is akin to the "irrestible force meets the immovable object".

Anti-matter electrons are on opposite spin from normal matter and when they collide they start destroy each other and those forces of atomic destruction are converted into energy, the matter and antimatter being destroyed in the process.

It would take unending amounts of energy to stop the energy conversion, becasue matter and antimatter don't stop bashing each other once they come into contact. To stop the release of energy you'd need irrestible resistance forces.

Asgard is about as big as a continent or something. No where near as big as a whole universe anyway.

And no, not all gods, demons and hell lords have realms as small as Asgard. A handful have a whole universe to themselves.

Cyttorrak has his own universe. Ask anyone in the MU.

Dormmau has his own universe. Ask anyone in the MU.

The Nameless one have their own universe. the Defenders certainly know this

The Dark Crawler has his one own universe and when Hulk destoyed it Dark Crawler took over the universe of the Nameless ones.

Nihghmare has the dreams dimension. I'm not sure what significane of that is but given how powerful nighcrwaler is, given the great feats of power he's done, Hulk making him helpless is pretty impressive.

By the way, I thank several CV users for low balling.

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#42 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (2084 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe once Mark Waid has given Hulk his power up.

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#43 Edited by JediXMan (42876 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#44 Posted by Zijuun (865 posts) - - Show Bio

As the others have said, not even close.

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#45 Edited by Zijuun (865 posts) - - Show Bio

As the others have said, not even close.

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#46 Posted by green_skaar (12564 posts) - - Show Bio

According to Dr. Strange, yes (eventually).

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#47 Posted by Albertphytagoras (2248 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#49 Edited by Fallen_Crippled (6475 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#50 Posted by THEOCITYLEGEND (1582 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk punches the universe in the face.