Did you ever forgive Wanda for "No More Mutants"

Yes. She was mentally unstable and has done her best to make reparations.

Forgive? Thats an odd way of putting it.

Being crazy and doing something crazy because of it is pretty much comicbook 101.

It's been handle poorly in several books though specifically AvX and Uncanny Avengers where it's treated as an after thought in universe...but honestly its just kinda that funny moment where Magneto beat up Quicksilver and that caused Wanda to believe that racism was right and wipe out her own people.

Comics you know.

Nope. That was genocide.

I did.

She made it right by the mutants. She created the Backrooms or however it's called. But, I thought she did right. I think it's time we finally we forgive her.

She literally brought them back to life

Doom took credit for it so does she even deserve blame ? I'm sure it's partially because he loves her but he did throw gasoline into the fire

@kgb725: She should still be locked up forever. She's an insane loose canon.

This.

It’s not Wanda herself that was the issue, but moreso the hypocrisy of the Avengers in dealing with mutant issues after.

Like, the protection of Wanda’s life was the right call back in Children’s Crusade. Prosecuting Cyclops for less with the Phoenix Force and damn near close to crucifying him was not the right call. Especially since they ironically get a Phoenix host as an Avenger much later.

So, where was that, “the Phoenix is too dangerous and the host must be contained and kept safe” mindset?

Oh, right. They were forced into a tournament where they realized that the Phoenix can’t be forced to do anything it doesn’t want to and that Wolverine is not the best person to take at his word when it comes to the Phoenix, especially since it takes Jean Grey to reign him in from the Moon to leave Phoenix Echo alone after it bonds with her.

Irritated rant over. I am calm again.….

What was I sayin again? Oh, right, Wanda’s better, she didn’t do it in The right head-space, she did everything she could to make up for it, and mutants are recovering. There’s nothing really to forgive.

Forgive?, We were never angry with her.

So dramatic 🙄.

An insane reality warper should not be roaming freely.

That's literally half of marvel for you anyways, and she redeemed herself. She just created a pocket dimension for Karoka to resurrect any mutant from any period of time via Cerbero backups. She gave them more than they could ever hope for in their entire life. Pre-existing mutants that were once deceased can now come back at any time they want.

It’s like if Hitler had a change of heart and was able to bring back to life the people he killed, and everyone forgave him for it. Not gonna happen IRL. People are going to still want him locked up forever

This energy is literally on par with the Shi’ar thinking that killing a Phoenix host will end its destruction.

@tparks said:

Wanda didn't consciously do it though. It was the life force, and anyone who read House of M would know that. Hell, the situation got to where it was, not because of Wanda, but because of the stupid Avengers who decided to mindwipe her memories about her children without asking for consent. There was more blame on them, than her, as those events would never have transpired if not for those actions.

Your analogy is redundant too because she had already helped Hope to restore all mutants x gene in AvX(that she wiped), and on top of that gave them the pocket dimension. She wiped out one million mutants inadvertently when being possessed, and give them back twenty-one million after realizing her mistake. That's a huge difference. Her actions, while inapt, were not done by choice initially.

This is comic book, everyone comeback to life and somehow emotions get played or retconed by some author

@bigbaby: I’ve read it. It doesn’t have to be a perfect analogy to make that comparison, but you can’t act like IRL people would just forgive someone who caused genocide, even if they could somehow undo it.

No more club penguin

@tparks said:

Yea, the mutant's anger is understandable and I'm not denying that. But that sole act is mitigated.

I mean, death still isn‘t pleasant. And I would wager that there is no telling when they will be back. And the pandemic punctuates how much we miss people we used to see.

No

#DiePretender

lmao

when she canonically lost her mind? yea she should be forgiven obviously. even in our real world court of law people can get out of jail by reason of insanity. of course they’d then be put in a mental hospital, but luckily for wanda she’s a comic book character and can simply just regain her sanity.

There's always the option of having a cosmic entity vaporize her.

x-men fans here are such haters

Yeesh, whoever the X-Men fans that said, “no” are, I don’t agree with them. That’s just victim blaming at this point.

partially

Genocide?

Wanda didn't kill anyone with that line. She depowered them.

Nope. It’s been made clear that she did indeed kill people with the spell, especially under the writing of Bendis, who wrote House of M.

(Avengers: Children’s Crusade #4/ All-New X-Men vol 1 #12)

Scott refers to what Wanda did as a “genocide”. This can be taken in two ways:

•One is literal, in which many have died.

•The other can refer to their culture, which is an integral part of many of mutants identity. Like being black, Asian, and mexican, being a mutant was a culture, which Wanda eradicated without permission under the influence of either someone else and her own insanity.

We may only see depowering, but the characters literally say they were killed off by that spell. So, take it as you will.

But, if we want to say it was only depowering, there was still there were still deadly consequences to this one act. Casualties even to those who were only depowered by Wanda and their families, as they became targets despite becoming human or always being human,

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Decimation_casualties

So, whether it was directly, indirectly, or figuratively, Wanda did indeed kill the mutant race. Saying she only “depowered” them really downplays the severity of this act. The mutants had every right to be angry, despite Wanda not being sane at the time.

I as a reader don’t blame her and find no need to “forgive her”, but that does not erase the casualties that took place from that event.

@pyrofn: While your right in stating that the Decimation casualties and death of the mutants as a culture were directly connected to "No More Mutants"...there isn't any question about people who literally died on "M-Day" because of the spell.

The 198, New Excalibur and Generation M especially showed that people died immediately because they lost their immunity to their own powers or because they were doing something with their powers when they were taken away.

Granted "blaming" Wanda after the retcon is debatable. But people actually did lose their lives as a result of what happened.

@last0fth3risen People fell out of the sky if they were flying. Drowned if they were under water and if they had physical mutations their bodies would literally stop functioning properly. Generation M is all about the nass deaths and how incomplete the changes were when people lost their X-gene.

literally hitler

Pfft. I never blamed her to begin with.

Hitler had no history of being a hero beyond the propaganda that the Nazi’s spewed.

Wanda literally has saved the world more times than anyone can count and was made in her state by a combination of her personal problems and Doom infecting her with a cosmic well of power she could not handle at the time, resulting her into committing such an atrocity through the actions of someone (Doom, to be exact) who wanted to attain power connected TOAA.

Equating her with Hitler is not only blatantly wrong, it is outright insulting given the lack of remorse and manipulation he did in that era that led to the massacre of people in the name of his madness.

epic Tobey take

Yeah, I don't get the Hitler comparison like wtf. Hitler never was a good person while Wanda did good deeds before and after House of M.

@koays: @pyrofn:

I'm aware that there were, in fact, casualties to the spell, but they were situational and unintentional. Wanda is guilty there, at least of criminal negligence, but comparing that to the deliberate extermination of a species is still erroneous. Most of the mutants she targeted lived, which was her intent.

@last0fth3risen: I get the argument your trying to have.

In fact I've had the argument your trying to have on both sides.

But it's irrelevant to the point that we are trying to make....

She unilaterally did the equivalent of saying "all Black people are now white", people died in the process, and the reasoning behind it was that her Father beat up her brother so she figured the bigots must be right about her people.

It was an act of Genocide on a cultural level and in the most literal way since Pre-Mday mutants were projected to overtake the human birthrate in a decade.

That people died because of her act of genocide isn't mitigated because she only intended to forcefully eliminate their species.

That she was actually insane and driven so by an outside force however means that the fault cannot be on her at least not to a major degree.

Her illness excuses her for the deaths, not her intentions.