DCEU Zod or MCU Thanos: Who hits harder?

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Posted by modernww2fare (7455 posts) 4 months, 4 days ago

Poll: DCEU Zod or MCU Thanos: Who hits harder? (196 votes)

Zod 59%
Thanos 41%
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#1 Posted by deactivated-5d731ee5de2e9 (8670 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod....kinda obvious

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#2 Posted by ThunderPrince (7097 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod if we use low ends, Thanos if we use the high ends, and Thanos again if we use the average feats.

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#3 Posted by RBT (30359 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos. By far.

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#4 Posted by DanielDaRipper (6029 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos. Him knocking Hulk out in a couple hits is above anything Zod has done.

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#6 Posted by MethoKi (12589 posts) - - Show Bio

People tend to base Thanos' best hits on Hulk getting decimated, but seem to glance over all the other times Hulk got beaten. Have a hard time seeing a Kryptonian not to the same to Hulk as Thanos did.

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#7 Posted by deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d (3679 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman242: I don’t think anyone’s ever beaten him before Thanos except the Hulkbuster. And that was a prolonged battle. ?

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#8 Posted by CocaColaMan (1687 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos. His feat of dismantling Iron Man and KOing Hulk is above anything Zod did with punches.

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#9 Posted by MethoKi (12589 posts) - - Show Bio

@thehunter: Hulkbuster and Thor. The number one instance that proves Hulkbuster doesn't hit as hard as a Kryptonian does was the suit's clash with Hulk, that caused a shockwave that broke glass and pushed people out of their seats. Clark's and Zod's clashes created craters and destroyed the face of a skyscraper. The Kryptonians are clearly on average operating on a much higher level than Hulkbuster is.

The second Thor got into a serious mode with Hulk, he had control of the fight and walloped him. Hulk technically lost that fight.

Honestly, Zod uppercutting a guy so hard that it sends him up the face of a skyscraper and only stopping where he does due to him doing so with flight is an amazing striking feat. Hulk isn't brushing off a hit like that.

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#10 Posted by Eobard21 (6427 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos

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#11 Posted by Amcu (17480 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman242:

The number one instance that proves Hulkbuster doesn't hit as hard as a Kryptonian does was the suit's clash with Hulk, that caused a shockwave that broke glass and pushed people out of their seats. Clark's and Zod's clashes created craters and destroyed the face of a skyscraper.

The only problem with that is that Superman and Zod gathered a massive amount of momentum, flying and running towards each other at high speeds.

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#12 Posted by MethoKi (12589 posts) - - Show Bio

@amcu said:

@batman242:

The number one instance that proves Hulkbuster doesn't hit as hard as a Kryptonian does was the suit's clash with Hulk, that caused a shockwave that broke glass and pushed people out of their seats. Clark's and Zod's clashes created craters and destroyed the face of a skyscraper.

The only problem with that is that Superman and Zod gathered a massive amount of momentum, flying and running towards each other at high speeds.

I'm aware, but Hulkbuster and Hulk also gathered momentum before their clashes, albeit not as much.

Zod's uppercut to Clark should suffice to a lot.

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#13 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (12277 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod, by a considerate margin.

Pre-Flight Zod bypassed the momentum of a fully powered Superman's speedblitz with a single punch, and sent him flying miles backwards through several Skyscrapers, meaning his punch must have packed way more force than said speedblitz to send Superman flying that far in the opposite direction.

And minutes earlier, a weakened Superman dismantled the World Engine with a speedblitz which is impressive considering the WE flat out tanked crashing into Earth at high level speeds creating a massive multi city block shockwave as a result, and it likely hit the ground at mach 6-10 speeds given its height which is nearly a km (986 meters) and the massive distances it was crossing per second (the actual clip - its initial speed was mach 25+), and it's 185 meters taller than Burj Khalifa, and the latter has an empty weight of 55000 tons and mostly made up of concrete and windows glass n'stuff like that whereas the World Engine is taller, much larger and thicker and made up of super durable Kryptonian metal which means it should be 10 times heavier at the very least or more than 2 million tons, but assuming it's only 2 million tons and hit the ground at just mach 1 speed or 343 m/s (lowballed version), the impact would be nearly twice as powerful as the Hiroshima bomb (28 kilotons of TNT) or multi city block level+, meaning it'd take a force magnitudes higher than the impact itself to significantly damage the bloody thing like a weakened Superman did (Post 43), and therefore making Zod's striking power around skyscraper to city block level (in a form of a concentrated blunt force attack, i.e a faster-than-sound punch) seeing how he overpowered a far more powerful speedblitz from a fully powered Superman with little-to-no efforts.

Likewise, keep in mind that according to the VFX team, Zod's body started taking in/adsorbing more solar energy after he ripped his armor apart, meaning Zod was actually weaker during the first minute of his second encounter with Superman. Quote:

"Adds Wright: "There's one shot where Zod hits Superman up the side of the building. Superman is hovering above. Zod starts running up the side of the building. This is just before he rips his armour off and is taking in more of the sun's energy. Superman flies down to hit him and the two of them collide causing that shockwave. DJ and Zack were both really keen to make it feel like two Gods were fighting, and they were at the height of their powers right then."

Source: https://www.fxguide.com/featured/man-of-steel-vfx-milestones/
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#14 Posted by macleen (3767 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod hits a lot harder and consistently. People give Thanos because he KO'ed Hulk and brutalized Thor and others characters but fail to see that solely depends on the victim's blunt force durability which is far below Kryptonians.

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@amcu said:

@batman242:

The number one instance that proves Hulkbuster doesn't hit as hard as a Kryptonian does was the suit's clash with Hulk, that caused a shockwave that broke glass and pushed people out of their seats. Clark's and Zod's clashes created craters and destroyed the face of a skyscraper.

The only problem with that is that Superman and Zod gathered a massive amount of momentum, flying and running towards each other at high speeds.

That's a weak excuse. Almost everybody agrees Thor hits harder than SM because of a weapon yet no one uses it as an excuse because Thor wielding a weapon is part of him.

Whether the Kryptonians gathered more momentum than HB and Hulk is irrelevant because they did it under their own power ( which means they are more powerful). Speed and strength is part of their ability, them using it to their advantage shouldn't be used against them. Otherwise I could also say the reason why HB and Hulk hit harder than what Batsuit and weakened SM would when they rushed at each other is because they gathered a massive amount of momentum.

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#16 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (8216 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod

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#17 Posted by joshua755 (4502 posts) - - Show Bio

Did I just don’t see how Thanos compares

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#18 Posted by deactivated-5d01cd4d1eb4b (2650 posts) - - Show Bio

By visuals, spectacular effects Zod murderstomps. But by scalings and logic Thanos not even close.

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#19 Posted by Richubs (7464 posts) - - Show Bio

@sexybayonetta22:

Visuals are important because if 2 people punching each other outright demolishes the area around them vs 2 people lunch and it causes practically no damage obviously the first one would be better.

Thanos was looking impressive when he beat Hulk up but other than that I don't see any more impressive striking feats from him.

Zod punching Clark up a skyscraper is much more impressive and the Kryptonians consistently have more powerful punches.

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#20 Edited by CCThor (2249 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos.

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#21 Posted by grappolo (3173 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod by a mile.

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#22 Edited by Nucleon (4114 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman242 said:

People tend to base Thanos' best hits on Hulk getting decimated, but seem to glance over all the other times Hulk got beaten. Have a hard time seeing a Kryptonian not to the same to Hulk as Thanos did.

Kryptonians fight with no science whatsoever, even their "generals", who fight like 8-y old kids. The most exotic attack at their disposal is the straight-line bullrush, whereas about each of Thanos' hit on the Hulk was on a pressure point. Thanos was made to take on a team of Supermen.

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#23 Edited by Nucleon (4114 posts) - - Show Bio

@richubs: I never understood the Kryptonians' "combat style"; Seems to me like the goal is to stupidly project your enemy the furthest you can so you will have to race to catch him for the next one, whereas a simple downwards strike will make him more or less stay in place for the follow-up. They also are taking turns hitting themselves with no effect whatsoever except destruction porn on the environment.

IMO, they're dicks; all of their "strategy" rests on their biological superiority, even when facing one another. And with such an attitude, they won't last long in the MCU, no matter how powerful they think they are.

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#24 Posted by Nucleon (4114 posts) - - Show Bio

Judging by the lasting results, Thanos, without the shadow of a doubt.

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#25 Posted by Nucleon (4114 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshua755: Well, he did beat the Hulk with it, whereas Supes wasn't even fazed.

How is this a feat anyway? How much weights Supes?

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#26 Posted by Richubs (7464 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon: . So you have no other argument other than that?

Not only will they last in the MCU they'll also laugh and beat up their slow adversaries.

They cannot help it that their punches send their enemies flying. Its a good thing they're fast enough to catch up with their enemies.

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#27 Edited by Nucleon (4114 posts) - - Show Bio

@richubs: Look - it wasn't even a feat. How much does Superman weights? Like, a million tons, right?

On the other hand, Thanos did beat the Hulk with the excerpt show in the OP. That's because Thanos is more than a show-off; he knows how to strike.

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#28 Posted by Richubs (7464 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon:

Superman doesn't have to weigh a million tons for it to be a good feat.

Superman ony stopped because he hit the building once and stopped himself because he had flight. Or he'd have gone much higher.

Him impact with the building pretty much destroyed that part of it.

Thanos in comparison has only been impressive when putting down the Hulk every other time his punches have been lacklustre.

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#29 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (18733 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod would one shot a lot of characters Thanos didn’t.

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#30 Edited by Nucleon (4114 posts) - - Show Bio

@richubs: Superman doesn't have to weigh a million tons for it to be a good feat.

Yes, he would. Otherwise it isn't even a feat for these guys. You really believe it compares with, say, the Leviathan punch? This is just a lot of flash and smoke.

Superman ony stopped because he hit the building once and stopped himself because he had flight. Or he'd have gone much higher.

Him impact with the building pretty much destroyed that part of it.

Thanos in comparison has only been impressive when putting down the Hulk every other time his punches have been lacklustre.

Lackluster but effective, obviously. Feats on the environment comes 10 cents a dozen; Now when two of the company's big guns are facing off, the money is much more on the table.

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#31 Posted by TheVVitchKing (1397 posts) - - Show Bio

If we wanna go be the usual DC logic Iron man was fine after a meteor yet Thanos turned his armor into scrap metal with a few punches

Therefore Thanos > Meteor

Of course for those who have an ounce of logic in their brains that’s not how scaling works now does it? As for the topic Thanos by far due to bloodying Thor and Hulk in less then 10 punches

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#32 Posted by DivinePixelBook (279 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos

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@nucleon:

Effective against people like Drax. If he had done something that amazing against other high tiers like Thor or Captain Marvel I'd be more impressed but even they are under Clark and Zod so he'd still be below.

The Leviathan punch is the best striking feat in MCU and DCEU so no, but it isn't consistent either.

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#34 Posted by Nucleon (4114 posts) - - Show Bio

@richubs: I don't see what's amazing in Zod's uppercut, period. It still is on a man-sized target. You think, say, Iron Man cannot throw a similiar weigth with such force?

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#35 Posted by Richubs (7464 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon:

You think Iron Man can send someone flying at that speed and destroy the side of the building? Because I really don't. Hulk and Thor probably can but Iron Man no. Like I said, if Superman had not stopped himself and not hit the building he wouldn't have stopped.

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That's a weak excuse. Almost everybody agrees Thor hits harder than SM because of a weapon yet no one uses it as an excuse because Thor wielding a weapon is part of him.

Sure. Most people agree that Thor hits harder than Superman with a weapon. But if he does not have such a weapon or does not use it than he would have lower striking(Well, ignoring his lightning punch on Hulk). The reason we might say that he would normally have a striking advantage due to that weapon is because he can use it always in simple swings or with momentum. Superman and Zod can use their momentum and speed to hit harder but they don't always and don't have to. Oftentimes there's simply not enough room for them to gather that much momentum unless they fly away from their opponent.

The reason I think its important to note their momentum is because they don't always have as much momentum as they did in that clash and Hulkbuster/Hulk weren't given the opportunity to gather much momentum themselves. It simply seems unfair to compare two opponents flying/running towards each other at high speeds from hundreds of meters away to two opponents punching each others fists with very little momentum.

I also don't think it would be fair to say compare Hulk's feat against Surtur to say Zod's punch that sent Superman to the top of a skyscrapper for the same reason. Hulk's had extreme momentum whereas Zod's was a simple uppercut.

Whether the Kryptonians gathered more momentum than HB and Hulk is irrelevant because they did it under their own power ( which means they are more powerful).

Not necessarily. Your acting as if Hulk and Hulkbuster cannot gather more momentum under their own power than they did in their clash. And I'd say both likely can.

Speed and strength is part of their ability, them using it to their advantage shouldn't be used against them.

Its not being used against them so much as its being taken into account that they used their momentum significantly versus opponents that barley did at all.

Otherwise I could also say the reason why HB and Hulk hit harder than what Batsuit and weakened SM would when they rushed at each other is because they gathered a massive amount of momentum.

They didn't gather much momentum though. Hulk was hindered by a repulsor and did not seem to be attempting to gather his maximum momentum. Hulkbuster didn't gather any extra momentum other than swinging his arm for the punch.

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#37 Edited by Bayman007 (2813 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod is far superior. Thanos better stay away from all Kryptonians, if he knows what's best

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#38 Posted by Lord_Titan_ (2909 posts) - - Show Bio

Watch the idiots who never studied physics equate velocity with force

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Watch the idiots who never studied physics equate velocity with force

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#40 Posted by MAZAHS117 (13599 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos

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He stomps!

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#42 Edited by Aka_aka_aka_ak (3394 posts) - - Show Bio

How. the. fuck. is Thanos winning?! You literally have the clips at the top of the thread. Apparently a punch that makes someone stagger back a couple of steps is harder than one that sends someone hundreds of metres vertically upwards.

@lord_titan_@nucleon "Watch the idiots who never studied physics equate velocity with force"

what are you talking about? Newton's second law- F=ma, force is proportional to acceleration... the more force you exert on a body the more that body accelerates, i.e. the faster it gets...

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#43 Posted by eri123 (6842 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos.

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#44 Posted by deactivated-5d07416730d08 (2261 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon said:
@lord_titan_ said:

Watch the idiots who never studied physics equate velocity with force

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#45 Posted by MethoKi (12589 posts) - - Show Bio

Watch the idiots who never studied physics equate velocity with force

Sorry, but isn't a bullet's velocity proportional to the force exerted on it?

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#46 Posted by macleen (3767 posts) - - Show Bio

@amcu:

Sure. Most people agree that Thor hits harder than Superman with a weapon. But if he does not have such a weapon or does not use it than he would have lower striking(Well, ignoring his lightning punch on Hulk). The reason we might say that he would normally have a striking advantage due to that weapon is because he can use it always in simple swings or with momentum. Superman and Zod can use their momentum and speed to hit harder but they don't always and don't have to. Oftentimes there's simply not enough room for them to gather that much momentum unless they fly away from their opponent.

Maybe I used the wrong analogy for this. Sure Thor without a weapon doesn't hit that hard, but Thor can lose his weapon which an argument can be made. SM won't lose his speed unless it's fight on CV where OP removes it deliberately. That's the difference between Thor and SM.

Dude what movies have you been watching since MOS? SM has used his bullrushes more consistently than Thor has used Mjolnir). He started in the Smallevile fight against Faora (bullrushed her like 3-4 times alone), Bullrushed Nam-Ek but he tanked. I doubt momentum is an issue for people who can accelerate to hypersonic speeds in a split second. Also my estimation may be faulty but the 2 clashes with Zod was prob in the 100m-200m range (since they met halfway from each other), compare that to the bullrush he did against DD which happened kilometers away. Visually, the one with Zod is more impressive.

Then there is the body slam he did on DD when WW's hit send DD into the air. SM accelerated for maybe 2 meters max and still managed a sizeable shockwave.

The reason I think its important to note their momentum is because they don't always have as much momentum as they did in that clash and Hulkbuster/Hulk weren't given the opportunity to gather much momentum themselves. It simply seems unfair to compare two opponents flying/running towards each other at high speeds from hundreds of meters away to two opponents punching each others fists with very little momentum.

But @batman242, compared two similar scenarios. HB and Hulk vs SM and Zod. Really you think if HB and Hulk were given an opportunity they will reach SM and Zod's speeds? It's fair to compare. Hulk will never reach the speeds SM can even if you give him the whole planet to gather his momentum, that's a fact.

I'm not sure you understand the physics of momentum. Hulk's mass is fixed, his acceleration on the other hand has a limit that is way below SM's. Giving him more room won't change either of the 2. If you give Hulk and SM the same distance to gather momentum then SM comes out on top easily.

This does not take into account the strength difference which I believe also plays a big factor here since SM's and Zod's masses are way too low for that kind of impact at those speeds.

I also don't think it would be fair to say compare Hulk's feat against Surtur to say Zod's punch that sent Superman to the top of a skyscrapper for the same reason. Hulk's had extreme momentum whereas Zod's was a simple uppercut.

Those 2 scenarios don't compare because Zod stopped his momentum before he uppercutted SM, secondly, he wasn't hitting at his hardest ( something that we need to take into account otherwise you'll end up taking every Zod feat and compare it to the Surtur feat). Also the scene was described to as Surtur actually reacting to Hulk's sudden attack rather than Hulk's momentum?

A good comparison would be the WE but then again it would be unfair to SM since he was stressed and weakened even though his feat will still be better. Now imagine if SM wasn't weakened and wasn't going against the gravity beam to make it fair with Hulk's feat?

Not necessarily. Your acting as if Hulk and Hulkbuster cannot gather more momentum under their own power than they did in their clash. And I'd say both likely can.

You don't think speed and strength are part of Kryptonian powers? And you're acting like SM and Zod can't gather more momentum too. Both likely can,BUT SM and Zod will always gather more momentum than the duo because they are stronger, and faster.

Its not being used against them so much as its being taken into account that they used their momentum significantly versus opponents that barley did at all.

They used their strength too. SM and Zod's masses aren't enough for that kind of impact even at those speeds. A lot of strength was used here so the momentum argument fails completely.

They didn't gather much momentum though. Hulk was hindered by a repulsor and did not seem to be attempting to gather his maximum momentum. Hulkbuster didn't gather any extra momentum other than swinging his arm for the punch.

Dude momentum is just m x a, that clearly isn't the only thing playing a factor here. SM gets hindered by air resistance all the time but still moves faster than sound. His weakened version was affected by the gravity beam but still managed to bust the WE so Hulk has no excuse. Hulk also gathered plenty of momentum when he attacked the chitauri fodder and couldn't even break a wall. I can pick several instances where he gathered momentum and his impact was still underwhelming while SM from like 5 meters away bullrushed Faora through a wall and into a garbage truck. Bullrushed the Walord through multiple walls. Picking instances that suit you won't work because I can do the same. That's why the two clash scenes are the best comparisons.

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#47 Posted by darthvaderrocks (2967 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos one shot Thor. His striking is better just off that.

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#48 Posted by Amcu (17480 posts) - - Show Bio

@macleen: Okay I'm not trying to get into an extended debate. I'm not even discussing who hits harder relating to this thread. I simply don't think its fair to compare Superman and Zod's clash to Hulk and Hulkbuster when Superman and Zod had a far greater distance to gather momentum than Hulk and Hulkbuster. I'm not debating whether Hulk and Hulkbuster would hit harder than Superman and Zod if they had as much distance to gather momentum. I'm saying that comparing those two instances isn't fair when Zod and Superman had an advantage to gather more momentum compared to Hulk and Hulkbuster. Basically I don't think the two instances are comparable. Hulk and Hulkbusters blow was more like a standard blow without buildup(Hulk had a bit of buildup but not much). Whereas Superman and Zod had a massive amount of buildup that they used to massively increase the force of their clash. That's why that clash was massively more powerful than their standard blows.

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#49 Edited by Nucleon (4114 posts) - - Show Bio

@aka_aka_aka_ak: what are you talking about? Newton's second law- F=ma, force is proportional to acceleration... the more force you exert on a body the more that body accelerates, i.e. the faster it gets...

The problem here is that you forget about penetration/resistance. You are just exercizing force in a vaccuum. If there is no resistance of course the smaller, more veloce projectile will go further.

But in short, and if my experience in firearms and artillery holds any truth, it is mass that will get you through hardened targets, not velocity. These characters like Superman, their biggest shot isn't even the bullrush; it is still a well-winded haymaker, because they can put more "push" behind it by the means of a proper weight transfer.

Conclusion; The bigger, or tougher the target is, the more you'll need mass in proportion to velocity to affect it. Other conclusion; I'd rather have Mjolnir's mass rather than Supes's velocity. =)

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#50 Posted by Omnipotent94 (1523 posts) - - Show Bio

Zod. Even captain America (without mjonlir) got back up after being hit by Thanos.