DCEU Blackmanta runs an MCU durability gaunlet.

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#1  Edited By Ccbm2208

BLACK MANTA :

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THE GAUNLET:

1)This punch from Cap:

2)This kick from Cap:

3)Bucky's metal arm punch:

4)A kick from ghost:

5)Getting thrown by Black Panther:

6)Getting thrown by Loki:

7)Being smashed by the Hulk:

8)Getting hit point blank by Black panther's kinetic punch:

9)Getting a taste of Cap's outlier:

10)Getting kicked by the Hulk:

11)Getting bashed through 200 feet of metal by Thor:

12)25 repeated haymaker from Thanos:

12)Getting crushed by the Dark Aster:

13)A power stone blast for a minute straight:

14)A missle from Sanctuary 2:

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30)Blackwidow's hair whip:

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50)A slap from Rocket:

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14,566,129) Cap's motorcycle throw:

RULES:

-Black Manta must survive in order to advance to the next round.

-So where does he stop .

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#2  Edited By Sonath

11 I guess.

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@squaddoubleyou: What kind of damage would he take from the rounds after that ?

Remember to consider all rounds from 8-14,566,129 :)

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Manta did a decent job of tanking hits from Arthur but his durability seems to cap at large boulder level since that’s his blasts best feat and Arthur has no feats to scale it higher.

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Submarine punch - tanks

Kick - slightly staggered, but not hurt much

Metal arm punch - slightly hurt

Ghost kick - tanks, should be below Cap’s. Also wasn’t she supposed to be a normal human?

Panther throw - hurt

Loki’s throw - no sells that specific throw, pretty hurt if Loki goes all out

Kinetic punch - KO’d

non-outlier throw - hurts slightly more than BP’s throw

Hulk kick - turned to mush

Thor swing - head gets blown off

Thanos punch - nothing’s left of him

Dark Aster - crushed

Power stone - instantly disintegrated

Missile - super dead

Hair - staggered

Rocket slap - badly hurt

Motorcycle throw - comatose

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@kryptonianking88: Wait,you don't think Cap throwing Ultron through a 6 feet wide pillar is an outlier ? I mean,Bucky's arm is heavily implied to be atleast as strong if not stronger than Cap's single arm strength and he couldn't even cause 1/10 the ammount of damage by swinging his arm the same way that Cap did whenever he throws a punch.

By the way,I'm suprised you didn't choose atomization for the last 3 rounds.;)

P.S , Ghost is hilariously strong for someone who is suppose to be a regular human for some reason . Scott is superhuman too because he took that kick like a champ . That's a big step up from getting injured and staggered by hits from random prison immates.

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#11  Edited By KryptonianKing88

@ccbm2208: Bucky’s arm is localized to a small area the size of his fist. Steve’s throw was as wide as 8ft robot (plus he used Ultron momentum). It’s why his motorcycle throw does godly damage but his kicks only move a Jeep.

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Manta did a decent job of tanking hits from Arthur but his durability seems to cap at large boulder level since that’s his blasts best feat and Arthur has no feats to scale it higher.

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Submarine punch - tanks

Kick - slightly staggered, but not hurt much

Metal arm punch - slightly hurt

Ghost kick - tanks, should be below Cap’s. Also wasn’t she supposed to be a normal human?

Panther throw - hurt

Loki’s throw - no sells that specific throw, pretty hurt if Loki goes all out

Kinetic punch - KO’d

non-outlier throw - hurts slightly more than BP’s throw

Hulk kick - turned to mush

Thor swing - head gets blown off

Thanos punch - nothing’s left of him

Dark Aster - crushed

Power stone - instantly disintegrated

Missile - super dead

Hair - staggered

Rocket slap - badly hurt

Motorcycle throw - gets disentegarated with the omniverse

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@ccbm2208: I think it is. Try throwing a dumbbell at a door and then try punching it.

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@kryptonianking88: I don't think that's how it works . Throwing a 2000 pounds robot should drastically reduce the speed of your arm swing which means he should relisticly throw with less force than he can punch . But idk , MCU is inconsistent with this , Thor can some how casually throw people 200 meters away but when he swings his arm the same way to land a punch , he couldn't send people more than 3 feet back.

Onto Black Manta , I can't help but wonder if the blasts he used against Arthur can scale to the one he tested on that cliff because the power difference is quite significant . Did the movie mentioned anywhere that the energy out put was reduced or did James Wan simply make it looks weaker to better fit the scene but intended to make the blasts this time just as powerful as before . Either way that's related to Arthur , who I don't think Black Manta really scale to since he cannot tank his own blast as shown later on . So I'm fairly certain that BM would die to round 14 since that's atleast a 5 times difference to busting that cliff.

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Lol at anyone taking this clown seriously. One of the worst and most childish debater of all time, his Hulk wank is literally pathetic.

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#19  Edited By Ccbm2208

@authentical: Are you refering to me ? Because I've literally never debated for Hulk.

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#21  Edited By Ccbm2208

@authentical: Then why are you mentioning it at this thread without properly adressing who you are refering to ? Also , I'm thinking it's because you and Hulk_like_fire had abit of a debate over my other thread but this is not the place to bring it up . Unrelated . Lol

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#22  Edited By Hulk_Like_Fire

@ccbm2208: It wasn't a debate. He was bringing up irrelevant fact to our discussion. That was more like "oh, you're a troll" type of thing.

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@ccbm2208: no it’s not him aswell. Just one old marvel troll/fanboy who hates DC.

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People overanalyze things way too much lol, that's why they end up wanking or lowballing characters.

OT stops at 7, Black Manta got seriously hurt by falling off a cliff.

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Yeah 7 is a big step from 6. Turns him into mush.

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Remember to tell what kind of damage he takes on each round

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@nwname:

Interested to hear how hou think about this . Remember to tell what kind of damage he takes in each round.

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Im not sure how to rate him tbh. His feats arent all that great and scaling him to Aquaman's physicals is questionable since his arms had like 3rd degree burns and struggles lifting a few tons during the fight. Based on his own scenes and no nonsense scaling i think he tanks 1-6, gets hurt by 7 but survives, tanks 8, migth die at 9-10, dies 11-14

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@nwname: One thing I'm sure is right about BM's durability is that he isn't tough enough to tank his own blast which was how Aquaman defeated him . Plus I'm not sure if the blasts he used against Arthur has the same cliff busting power because they are magnitudes weaker than the first testing of the gun . Did the movie said anywhere that the energy output was reduced or did James Wan made the blasts visually less impressive but intended for them to be all on the level as that first instance of the gun in action ? Also can you cal'c how powerful a blast from the gun has to be to annihilate that huge cliff ? I'm not sure how big that thing is , maybe around 40-60 feet ? Also whether that was vaporisation of rocks or just violent fragmentation which are hugely different from each other. Mr Trey sure hyped it up a lot . Also a funny thing I want to mention , VS battle wiki actually puts DCEU Black Manta as island level because he fought Aquaman . Who isn't island level........Lmao.

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@ccbm2208: I dont think it was 60 ft. I remember scaling ut from the beams width but i dont remember the numbers. Also the beam, while in helmet form, melts through a thick metal wall. So it should be at the same level as the "cliff" busting one. I think falling and hitting rocks damaged him a bit too? Im not sure.

VSBW ratings are hilarious

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#36  Edited By Ccbm2208

@nwname: Also Atlantean steel is pretty tough in substance but from what we have seen An armor made from Atlantean steel doesn't really need to be damaged in order for the wearer inside to be hurted . I think that's why Atlantean soldiers got incapacitated by being shot by their guns or being kicked small distance by Arthur but their armors were not even scratched . Plus BM couldn't shrug off being punched in to a wooden ceiling but his armor was fine . Also by on screen showing BM could possibly die in some of the rounds due to kinetic impact but his suit could potentially take way less damage . How do you think the state of his suit would be in some of the rounds that he indeeds die in ?

Also , are the figures for fragmentation , pulverisation and vaporisation of soil and rocks that VSBW provide accurate ? They rely on those figures alot for their cal'cs . Also , I personally think the calculations are pretty decent but tons of profile pages heavily rely on wonky scaling without providing calculations to proof or statements that are contradicted by on screen showings . Plus , there are some pages where attack potency,durability,striking power ,.... are classified but there aren't any calculations of feats or scaling based feats at all so you're left wondering how the heck did they come to this conclusion . For example their Megazord page keep mentions that the thing is planetary but where are the proofs .

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@ccbm2208:

Yeah BM might die due to concussion etc. in some rounds. Round 7 might crush him inside the suit.

Nah they are absolutely not right. I made a thread about it there (locked now) and at least they know they are completely wrong. They denied changing it cuz they put too much effort into the wrong stuff before. The fragmentation values are usually about ~20 times too high, viloent fragmentation is about ~40 times too high and pulverization is about ~10 times too high. Their calcs are usually crap; weird assumptions, wrong fragmentation etc. values, randomly putting 70° view angle to force the scenes to give a distance and more bs.

There is really a lot of wonky scaling and weird interpretations too.