@GodOfMischief said:
@Timandm: What do you mean by Tony Stark being a bad guy? I admit I don't like him much but I wouldn't say he's a villain.
Ahh. That's a fair question... In fact, I'm going to reply to GillaDro as well because I think he was wondering what I meant also...
@GillaDro:
I've lived long enough and studied enough history to understand that the villains don't always (in fact, they hardly ever) LOOK like villains. In fact, the villains often times don't even realize they ARE the villains. Mao Tse Tung started off doing good for the people of China but over time, as the power corrupted him, he became something that makes even Dr. Doom look like a nice person.
So, what makes me think of Tony Stark as a villain? Evil even? During Marvel Civil War he did things that only a dictator with no regard for human rights would do... Consider the following:
1: He had super heroes arrested, taken into custody, and imprisoned in the negative zone without trial. He did this because he knew they would have NO RIGHTS IN THE NEGATIVE ZONE. He KNEW they weren't going to get trials and he KNEW they weren't going to be able to appeal any decisions made. He said to Peter Parker, who was his second in command at the time, that the prisoners in the Negative Zone were outside the jurisdiction of the U.S. and the Courts. He knew he could do anything he wanted to them, and they had no recourse or defense whatsoever. That was the main reason he put them in the negative zone, so that he could do whatever he wanted to them and they would have no legal recourse.
A complete and total lack of regard for human rights and for civil rights. What kind of an evil person could do such a thing? Shall I name a few real life examples? Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler.
2: He COMPLETELY abused his power as the head of SHIELD and had people arrested and detained EVEN when they had broken no laws whatsoever.
Remember when Peter Parker realized he was on the wrong side. He had M.J. and Aunt May leave Stark Towers quietly... This was COMPLETELY legal as they weren't prisoners, nor were they slaves. Then Peter decides to leave and what does Stark do? He attacks Peter and then orders Shield to arrest and detain him. Now, ask yourself this; Exactly what law did Peter Parker break? Exactly what law were the SHIELD agents supposed to arrest him for? Leaving Stark Towers? Peter HAD registered, was harboring no fugitives, and taking no sensitive information with him. Peter Parker had broken exactly ZERO laws.... And Stark says to arrest him? He would have put Spider-Man in the negative zone, but for what??? What kind of a person imprisons people when they've broken no laws?
3: He COMPLETELY violated the rights of Jennifer Walters (She-Hulk).... Only hours after having slept with her (while both were on duty) he took her powers away from her. As far as he knew at the time, the change was PERMANENT. What gave him the right to alter another human being on a molecular level, without their consent? What would have come of She-Hulk if Amadeus Cho hadn't figured out how to restore her power.
Ask yourself this, if a random super hero or villain went about draining the powers of super heroes without the permission of the super heroes, and without the legal authority to do so... Well, what would you consider that person?
In fact, if you read AVENGERS ACADEMY's latest issue, you'll see a villain trying to do exactly that. Now, the person trying to take powers away from all the super heroes is considered an evil villain in this case.... But when Tony Stark does it, no one seems to even blink an eye. I find that odd.
4: He violated the rights of CHILDREN during Civil War. He actually LIED to children and forced them to join his Initiative as if they had no choice... You see, the Registration Act did NOT apply to children. It applied only to those who were legally adults. Yet, Stark had people going out and rouding up children and threatening them with statements like, "The law COULD change..." What the hell did that mean? Well, it meant the law did not apply to those who weren't adults, but Stark just had to manipulate the kids. Cloud Nine never wanted to join the initiative, she was FORCED to. This is, in every way possible, wrong...
Tony Stark became an absolute tyrant... He violated human rights, civil rights, and the rights of children.... He never once apologized as he felt he had done the right thing...
He's far worse than a criminal, he's evil.... I consider him to be worse than Dr. Doom, as Doom admits up front that he is tyrant...
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