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The Multiverse

The Multiverse has infinite universes and each of these infinite universes contains infinite timelines.They are separated by the Bleed, the space between the universes.

Morrison: I used a lot of this M-Theory, brane multiverse stuff in Final Crisis. Doug Mahnke did a great 3-D drawing of an inter-brane corridor in the Superman Beyond segments – and it ties in fine with how I see things operating on recursive, isomorphic scales, or dimensions. I'm ready to accept that our entire lives are playing out across a 2-D film as thin as soap bubble skin, since – as above, so below – we already have our own examples of such branes in the form of movie and TV screens, the pages of books and of comics.

Branes are hypersurfaces embedded in the extra dimension. Thus, in this limit space–time looks five–dimensional with four-dimensional boundary branes [5]. This has led to the concept of brane world models. More generally speaking, in brane world models the standard model particles are confined on a hypersurface (called a brane) embedded in a higher dimensional space (called the bulk). Only gravity and other exotic matter such as the superstring dilaton field can propagate in the bulk. Our universe may be such a brane–like object. [hep-th/0404011] Brane World Cosmology

In DC each Brane contains 52 universes.

4-Dimensional universes attached to a membrane of a 5th-dimensional bulk which contains infinite membranes.

the 52 universes show in the map are, as the Map of the Multiverse said,"the 52 brane universes"

The Bleed or the Bleedspace is the Bulk which contains these infinite branes. It would make sense since in the Map of the Multiverse the Bleed is said to be the "the All-enclosing Bulk"

This is confirmed in Multiversity when Bleedspace is stated to be "rotating through the 5th-dimension"

Metaverse

https://i.imgur.com/VBpaWha.jpg?1

Other Multiverses/Megaverses

"I suggested to Dan if you imagine like a champagne glass and you picture all these bubbles rising and giving form to each other, that's what the real multiverse looks like. It's a much bigger scale. It's infinite. These bubbles, there's so many of them out there that there's the Marvel multiverse and there's the DC multiverse and over there's the Archie multiverse. I figure it gives us a scope that every comics universe exists somewhere in there. But the DC Universe is the one we're familiar with - the Orrery of Worlds, as we've called it - and it's floating in this source with multiple multiverses."

Convergence theoretically brought back all past multiverses into continuity:

"What we're really addressing is they all exist and have existed and exist within the framework of the New 52," Lee told the newspaper. "'Convergence' is in many ways the most meta epic event we've done.

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The Sphere of the Gods

The Sphere of the Gods is a metaphysical reality whose inhabitants exist on a higher plain of existence then the inhabitants of the 52 realities that make up the Orrery of Worlds

The Sphere of the Gods is home to most if not all the Gods and Immortals that exist within the Multiverse who each reside in 1 of 8 realms that make up the Sphere of the Gods. All of the beings who originate from the Sphere of the Gods, except for a few exceptions, are Multiversal Singularities meaning that there is 1 version of them in the entire multiverse and that they exist within all realities simultaneously.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Sphere_of_the_Gods

The Sphere of the Gods lies above normal space and time, and its beings are not physical, but conceptual / abstract

Realms in the Sphere of the Gods

Heaven is its own multiverse

Each soul in Heaven creates its own universe

Same as in Hell since Hell is Heavens shadow

All mortal universes exist in bubbles in the reality of New Genesis.

http://i.imgur.com/rTQ763x.png

Darkseid's shadow cast across the universe as he falls into the multiverse

http://i.imgur.com/ev8M4I7.jpg

Dreaming

  • The Dreaming contains all which is not, was not, and shall never be. Basically, every dream is reality in the Dreaming
  • As such, the Dreaming is infinite

tl;dr Sphere of the Gods is huge, including its denizens (obviously not everyone)

Hypertime

Hypertime, the overarching and interconnected web of timelines and realities, presumably existed for almost as long as creation itself. Events in the Central Timeline often create temporal ripples, creating divergent paths of history that exist on their own separate timelines. These timelines occasionally intersect, resulting in changes to history that are usually not even noticed by the inhabitants of a timeline. These changes range from minor (a momentary difference in a person's clothing or costume) to major (a complete rewriting of a person's history). If a being from one Hypertimeline spends too long in another, it can cause ghost-like "echoes" of other worlds to bleed through, as witnessed by Rose D'Angelo and Batman in The Kingdom: Planet Krypton. It is also possible to enter the space between Hypertimelines, where all possible worlds are visible through an endless series of dimensional "window"

The DC reality works like a river where various parts of it branch off and then rejoin at various points. To put it simply. Thus we have the grand DC "omniverse", a term that is used occasionally:

as in every universe within the Multiverses in the Bleed, as well as the Sphere of the Gods, the Higher Reality of those universes, all under the Metaverse in Hypertime.

Limbo

the furthest edge of the manifest DC universe. This is where matter and memory break down

Limbo is outside the story of DC and is part of the Monitor Sphere which is the boundary of existence and non-existence

All stories in Hypertime are contained in the Book of infinite Pages and since everything above is a story it basically means that it contains EVERYTHING

https://imgur.com/ZZnfo5F

Monitor Sphere

Final layer of creation where the barrier between fiction and reality breaks down.The Hyper Story beyond the story of DC comics

TR holding Limbo between his fingertips and how Limbo looks like in the Monitor Sphere

In order to even battle Mandrakk, Cosmic Armor Superman had to spontaneously create a Hyper-Story, taking advantage of their fictional nature:

http://i.imgur.com/HY6I7yV.jpg?1

Source Wall

The final barrier that surrounds the Monitor Sphere

Beyond even the Source Wall is Destiny holding his book which contains everything above

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His book contains everything, even himself

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11130/111302904/5529381-destiny.jpg

Destiny is also by far the most powerful of The Endless, as everything is a part of him.His realm is the loom on which the fabric of all existence is weaved, and hisbookcontainsallofexistencewithin it

Sauce:https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/funny-embarrassing-arguments-thread-part-3.1107647/ page-16#post-57212242

http://www.t5forums.com/forum/media/comic-books/761-dc-comics-general-discussion/page3

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Awesome.

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The World Tree-Yggdrasil

The world tree is above the physical Brane universes

The World Tree is called Yggdrasil and destroying it will end all of the worlds since the World Tree is one of the foundations of Creation

Fenris plan is to destroy the creation by destroying Yggdrasil and the power released after Michael's death will erase Yggdrasil and it will the result in the end of all the worlds

From Orions run 17-18

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Swamp Thing restores the multiverse using the World Tree even though

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/84/Remakes_Multiverse.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161201064126

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/d/d1/Remakes_Multiverse_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161201064216

Pralaya

an embodiment of void and infinite nothingness , destroys the whole DC Multiverse from all axis of space and time.Pralaya also destroyed all spatial and temporal dimensions like the 5th Dimensional world of Now

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Pralaya only manifested as an M-Body and she wasn't really defeated.Only delayed, she will still one day return to claim all of DC multiverse back into herself

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From far beyond the multiverse and exist in her own transcendental realm

Feats

  • Destroyed all of time in the entirety of the infinite Multiverse.
  • Her Physical Avatar escaped from it's Higher-Dimensional Prison and swallowed the 5th Dimensional Realm of Now
  • Created an infinite number of beings who could devour all of time and were immune to Multiversal+ attacks through her mind.
  • Destroyed all Higher Spatial and Temporal Dimensions

Sauce:http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Pralaya_(DC_Comics)

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/dc-comics-feats-cosmology-and-cosmic-hierarchy-thread.313227/page-61#post-28857437

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Nice!

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Nice thread

Could you add The Overvoid?

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There's a place in the Dreaming called the Dream Exchange where they trade dreams.Here it is shown that every dream is a reality in the Dreaming.Each of those paper is dream

https://readcomics.io/images/manga/the-dreaming/2/11.jpg

https://readcomics.io/images/manga/the-dreaming/2/12.jpg

The Dreaming affects both the dreaming and waking reality.Changing stories where everything comes from, like the story of garden of Eden affects everything, not just the Dreaming

https://readcomics.io/images/manga/the-dreaming/3/21.jpg

https://readcomics.io/images/manga/the-dreaming/3/14.jpg

The Dreaming is infinite

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...4/5877793-sandman+2+his+realm+is+infinite.jpg

All gods came from the Dreaming and they will all eventually return to the Dreaming

https://static.comicvine.com/upload...man+30+gods+are+born+and+die+in+his+realm.jpg

The Dreamings form shifts and eddies

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HjJitowFl...OblOmyihEbxDTPQcP3-gCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO004.jpg

Ocean/River of time in the Dreaming can be used to time travel

https://readcomics.io/images/manga/the-dreaming/7/16.jpg

A Dream Vortex in Kamandi's world

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/QE77duFh5m...qQyFk8pR_zfWQnnpxP61LCoHY8JT-x0bvASkQjQ=s1600

A Vortex can also be a person like Rose Walker

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2RiyeXHC24U/Vpy6gVfs08I/AAAAAAAANQc/W3WpsXa0fgA/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

A Vortex cut through time, space and realities.Everything is possible in a Vortex

https://i.imgur.com/lTXFyRC.jpg

It's like a nexus of infinite realities where every possible universe could be viewed or entered

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/l7KBa4As64...G8Hp8_f871ae7Ph8YIczyQ6SdiGjjErMPVb44AQ=s1600

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/5lRl-jLmrR...vAhMG1p-OrXTWdfx3NfNx3ovAHXLrescwitY3Gg=s1600

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/98JEFEmXkv...kmoBAV1jwEmQVXl9kODgiu53fsA62YuqJr4Ivrg=s1600

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So how big is the Dreaming?

Its infinite

There is a building in the Dreaming, Its called the Dream Exchange and it is where people and the inhabitants of the Dreaming trade dreams.

https://readcomics.io/images/manga/the-dreaming/2/9.jpg

See those papers? Each of those papers is a single reality based on dreams like world peace, etc

https://readcomics.io/images/manga/the-dreaming/2/11.jpg

https://readcomics.io/images/manga/the-dreaming/2/12.jpg

This is just inside a single building in the Dreaming and the Dreaming is infinite.This just proves that every dream is a reality in the Dreaming.Destiny said that Dream is his opposite which is kinda right cause Destiny's book contains everything that will ever exist while Dream has dominion over unreality(Dreams, nightmares etc)

The Dreaming affects both the dreaming and waking reality.Changing stories where everything comes from, like the story of garden of Eden affects everything, not just the Dreaming

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A change in the Dreaming made everything revert back from the very beginning

Just one location in the Dreaming, The Dream Dome.

A vortex in the Dream Stream cuts through all time, space and realities

Vortex=uncountable infinite realities

This isn't even the entire Dreaming

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the Metarioptikon(The original which only contains a portion of Dreams power) was able to destroy the Dreaming

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@morningdawn12:

Prayala

I wonder how many characters like this exist?

If you remember the character Pandora according to her Futures End that all the Seven deadly sins are actually part of her and at some point they all fight each other to the death and the winner gets to remake the multiverse in their image.

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I don't think characters like these fit properly into the DC cosmology, they seem more like ideas a single writer has that will probably never get brought up again.

For both Marvel and DC some lore seems to be more concrete than others. A lot of that seems to be done to popularity, significance of the event it takes place and the fame of the writer.

I would obviously put the importance of the Endless above characters like Pralaya and Pandora.

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Nice thread.

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I'll give my shot at contributing to this thread soon as well.

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How the hell did I miss this? I could help out with stuff that’s New God or Morrison related. There’s probably a lot of overlap between this thread and the Multiversity thread too

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Destiny isn't the most powerful of the Endless, as Death has claim over him. She also went beyond his book. Delirium is also implied to be above him when she saw what was beyond his book.

Other than that, great stuff.

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#16  Edited By Sungsam

Courtesy of Spacebattles. to add to the OP's "Omniverse" mention.

DC USES THE TERMS OMNIVERSE IN N52

Here is a DC SCAN that uses the word Megaverse.

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According to the perspective of one of DC's writers, J.M. DeMatteis, he views Presence as in all and beyond all.

DO NOT CREDIT ME FOR THIS SCAN, I do not know who got this.

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@revold said:
@morningdawn12 said:

I don't quite get this part. Are there 52 multiverses, or multiverse called "52"? Do they each have their own copy of Sphere of the Gods/Monitor Sphere or are these dimensions higher than all the multiverses?

Revold, DC's Cosmology is confusing... as hell..

This is not even the tip of the ice berg of what is wrong with DC's Cosmology. Even I tried.

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SUNGSAM'S TAKE ON THE DC COSMOLOGY COMPLEXITY

This post of mine will be edited and re-edited by me, as a pretend "OP" where I put my own take on the main DC Multiverse (Bleed, Hypertime, Limbo, etc.) and its complexity to analysis one by one.

The Complexity and Size of a "Universe" in DC

Entry 1: Based on a Spectre/Phantom Stranger Scan

Different fictions treat dimensions differently, different fictions even also treat their universes differently.

In the case of DC, it isn't clear in a lot of sources if a Singular Mono-Universe in DC is infinite in volumes of Space or Space Time, or infinitely expanding. But, there was a Spectre/Phantom Stranger Scan however, that DID interestingly say this.

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This scan says, that there are Infinite Realms (likely Sub-Dimensions?) within Infinite Worlds (Obviously Mono-Universes) and there are Infinite Limbos within each. Whether that means the Infinite Limbos exist in each infinite realms inside infinite universes is not clear.

What this does say, is that there are Infinite Sub-Universes inside a Universe in DC.

This cosmological explanation does NOT explain a Quantum Infinite Branching Probability Multiverse, instead it follows something like an Old School, Eastern Cosmology of Worlds inside Worlds. Like how Heaven and Hell are dimensions but are inside a Single Universe in Marvel.

Such as so, like how Marvel's Earth 616 has Heaven, Hell and Asgard and etc., a Universe in DC has an Infinite Number of Realms.

So a single Universe in DC is an Infinitex2 Multiverse of Pocket Dimensions (Limbo and Realms).

And a Quantum Multiverse in DC like the Hypertime, or Metaverse, are actually a Multiverse of Massive Super Complex Universes that have infinite realms inside it.

This means that DC's Cosmological definition for higher spatial dimensions are even more impressive than previously known.

Let's say, the 4th Dimension in DC is a Space Time Universe, but this Universe has infinite realms and infinite limbos in each.

Now the 5th Dimension in DC, the lowest level Multiverse, is a Multiverse of Universes with Infinite Realms + Infinite Limbos. And is infinitely greater than the one below it.

And so on and so forth.

Compare that to the 5th Dimension in other fictions?

Each of DC's numbered dimensions are infinitely larger than equivalent numbers in another fiction. Even more so, as a higher numbered dimension is infinitely bigger than the level below it.

If DC's 5th Dimension (numbered) scales to a bunch of Infinite Universes with Infinite Realms and Infinite Limbos, then that means it's more impressive than say, another verse's 5th Dimension that only scales to Infinite Universes that have finite space in it.

So DC's 5th Dimension contains Infinitelyx2 (Realm plus Limbo) Universes and are much greater than a 5th Dimension in another fiction.

So DC's 6th Dimension would be infinitely greater than the 5th Dimension, and would be thereby, greater than a 6th Dimension in another fiction because the 5th and 6th dimensions contain Infinitex2 larger universes than a 5th and 6th Dimension in another fiction.

So DC's Dimensions are not to be fucked around with.

What does this say about the power levels of Pralaya? Lucifer? CAS Supes? WF Mxyzptlk who destroyed everything ever canonical in DC?

Fictions treat Dimensions differently. Multiversal power must be scaled, to analysis of the context of how dimensions work.

How a 5th Dimension in one fiction, maybe infinitely bigger than a 5th Dimension in another.

DISCLAIMER: The above is merely an analytical theory. Nowhere else does it state that DC's Universes have infinite realms and limbos but this scan. And might not even be canon, might be forgotten or totally irrelevant, still, if we consider a theoretical Composite DC Cosmology, then anything still goes by a Highball Interpretation which is still not totally baseless as head-canon, it's what it says.

The Location of Hypertime

Entry 1: Based on a scan from DKM which brought Hypertime Back

Hypertime's Location within DC's Current Cosmology is unclear. It is stated by Grant Morrison to be a Story Telling Device that ensures all DC Works by different authors are connected by a Story Telling Multiverse web of time streams.

Here, Flash claims that he's seen Hypertime by running among its borders, and that Hypertime was outside the Multiverse. This implies that Hypertime sits right in between the God Sphere and the Speed Force Wall which encircles the Orrery Bleed Space.

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What does this mean? Hypertime as well as the Orrery/Bleed are not to be identified with. Hypertime sits likely outside the Bleed, outside the Metaverse and outside the Speed Force Wall. Correct me if my analysis is false.

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#20  Edited By Sungsam

SUNGSAM DC COSMOLOGY ENTRY: AUGUST 18 2018 (to be edited)

"Size and Infiniteness of the DC Dark Multiverse"

The Dark Multiverse is technically not really a Multiverse, but it is a Multiverse sized void, that IIRC, will create a Universe based around the fears and nightmares of a person from the 52 Multiverse or the Infinite Earths.

Dream of the Endless, now Daniel Hall, (as you recall, Morpheus died and Daniel, a new aspect of Dream took his place as Dream) confirms that the Dark Multiverse is an Infinite Vastness. You know, the DARK MULTIVERSE IS INFINITE.

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As depicted by the map in DKM, we scale the size of the Dark Multiverse as being twice or more so larger than the Main DC Multiverse (everything within the source wall) and occupying a larger blot over the Primal Monitor (this is a fan name as far as I'm aware).

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As we know, DC's Main Multiverse is a high complexion of Higher Spatial Dimensions. With the Wildstorm Multiverse sitting within Bleed Space (Composed of Infinite number of Self Repeating/Multiplying Quantum Multiverses) as being:

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The Bleed Space is at least by traditional high spatium standards, 196,833 by one of its own Multiverses alone, rotating and creating a new earth.

With the Sphere of the Gods likely being an Infinite Higher Spatiotemporal Layer Structure on its own.

So we can deduce that the Dark Multiverse, being greater in size than the Source Wall > Monitor Sphere > Limbo > God Sphere > Bleed Space/Hypertime/Metaverse as being several unimaginable levels of greater hilbert totality levels above an Infinite Multiverse, by a totality of twice or more so.

IMPLICATIONS OF AN EVEN BIGGER SET OF GREATER DC COSMOLOGIES AFTER DARK KNIGHTS METAL BEYOND THE SOURCE WALL AND THE MAIN DC MULTIVERSE

The ending of Dark Knights Metal had consequentially led to the Source Wall becoming BROKEN WIDE OPEN (the Boundary Outer Border of the Known DC Multiverse with Infinite Layered Dimensions and Multi-Multiverses (Hyper-Time, Bleed, Metaverse, God Sphere)) the consequences is that it is revealed that the Dark Multiverse is merely the beginning.

As a result of the Wide Open Breach of the Source Wall, the Source Wall was actually hiding or protecting the Main DC Multiverse from whatever Cosmological Hazzards and Horrors and New Possibilities was out there, as a result of DKM Events. Now, wWhatever Cosmologies and Multiverses and Creations lie beyond the Source Wall that which the Source Wall was protecting the DC Main Multiverse from, these Creations are likely scarily massive to Suggsverse level as these forces beyond the Source Wall see the Main DC Multiverse as nothing more than a tiny tiny fish bowl, being immersed, dumped into an Infinite Ocean.

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DC's Cosmology just got an upper boost. With the Presence (as the Void beyond all Voids and all of Creation) or the Overvoid scaling to this massive astronomically new infinite sized Omniversal Cosmology as now getting a power boost.

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goddamit DC is overpowered as hell

now whith the source wall broken we might see stuff that makes PR beyonder look like a pussy

+ could someone on this thread please touch on the topic of father time and mother night ?

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A book created from the shadow of the shadow of Destiny's true book

was said to have the power to control all the known and unknown universes and all of space and time in the creation

https://imgur.com/vAlfKT3

So basically a monk manage to create a book made from the Shadow of the Shadow of knowledge that is in Destiny's book. So how powerful is this book that is probably nowhere near the 1 percent of the power of the real Book of Destiny? Apparently, it has enough power to shred and remade all of Creation and all known and unknown universes

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#23  Edited By Sungsam

Sandman/Vertigo Cosmology would still already had at least Infinite Universes/Timelines without Canonicity to Mainstream DC's Cosmology

I found a panel while re-reading Dream of a Thousand Cats that confirms that Sandman/Vertigo alone, had Infinite Universes and doesn't need canonicity with DC to be one. And a Lucifer Scan that implies the Mansions of Silence had Infinite Mirrors.

Dream of a Thousand Cats: Past and Present, Infinity Worlds Alike, only Fractionally Different.

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The Cat (after having received knowledge from Dream) says mentions of an "cats can see futures and see echoes of the past, from the infinity of now, from all the worlds like ours, only fractionally different" now in another scan, Dream summoned doors throughout many timelines, and if used in conjunction to this scan, it implies that there are infinite quantum worlds within Sandman. Coupled with the Endless being Wave Functions thing, this already seals the deal that this is infinite fractional possibilities of differences of different worlds.

NEXT EVIDENCE:

Lucifer #38, Mansions of Silence Ark: The Mansions of Silence was likened to Infinity answering Infinity of Mirrors facing each other across a narrow hallway.

The Mansions of Silence was a structure wherein each of its Mirrors are ones that contained other Universes and other Creations, rejected ones, one that Lucifer Casually destroyed. This blowingly destroys all myths that Lucifer is only Universe level, but at least Multi-Universe Level.

The issue is HOW MANY Universes was destroyed. Well, I believe I may have found implicating evidence that the Mirrors contained infinite Mirrors within itself, its own reflection, as each Mirror would contain Infinite Universes.

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In Lucifer Vol. 38, the Presence while alluding simultaneously of speaking of the Mansions of Silence (rejected creations) states that he has lived lives and patterns over and over again, like Infinity answering Infinity like Mirrors facing each other across a narrow hallway. Before you state that this was a metaphor, take notice that Presence's narrative bubble speaking infinite mirrors literally pans view over the broken mirrors of the Mansions of Silence as well, implying the Mansion Mirrors were a metaphor for Infinity answering Infinity itself, and was also descriptive of the Mansions within the Mirror Themed Narrative of the Ark.

So likely, the Mansions of Silence internally contained infinity answering infinity of mirrors within itself, each mirror containing other universes and other creations.

There are occasional internal DC skirmish debates of N52/GM fans and those who support the Meta Cosmology against Vertigo DC fans. Some might say that had Lucifer not been scaled to mainstream DC cosmology, he's only multi-universal, but this already seals the deal.

So here is a short VERTIGO to DC and Marvel cosmic dictionary.

Creation/Universe in Sandman = All of Existence / Multiverse in context.

Worlds in Sandman (most of the time) = a Universal Quantum Timeline or a Dimensional Realm within a Multiverse in context, NOT pocket dimensions, as Dream's "Realm" was called infinite.

All of Time and Space in Vertigo = All Universes, as "all of time and space" would logically include all Universes that are constructs of Time and Space.

Sandman doesn't need DC's Cosmology to be infinite multiversal. That is all. Neil Gaiman can cut Sandman out of N52 DC but then Michael, Lucifer and all the Endless, Night, Time, Elaine Belloc and the Presence would still be Infinite Multiversal and Casual.

SUNGSAM DC COSMOLOGY ENTRY: SEPTEMBER 1 2018

UP NEXT: Implications that the Sandman "Universe" was possibly a Multiverse of Infinite Higher Spatial Dimensions VIA Quantum Mechanics, Wave Function and all of reality being layered upon itself, AXISIONALLY, by Infinite Repetition. And the alternate Lucifers.

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Please tag me when you guys update this

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I almost forgot to mention is that where the hell is Superboy Prime at? Last we've seen of him he was trapped on the Source Wall. Now that the Source Wall is destroyed, did that kill every living thing that was trapped? Also, JL #22 seems to be a major event that's going to take place just by reading the description.

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I'll post some tid-bits here.

There are Infinite Multiverses in the Omniverse. Perpetura is the First Creator of the Main DC Multiverse, while her brothers and sisters tend to their own Multiverses outside the Source Wall.

There are Infinite Number of Multiverses, each of them tended by the unseen brothers and sisters of Perpetua. The Main DC Multiverse is respectively of our Perpetua, who is the mother of the Main DC Multiverse Anti-Monitors, Monitors and Forgers.

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Jl Annual 2019 stated that a normal 4D Universe is Infinite and Expanding.

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According to this page from Unexpected no. 7, Mandrakk notices that the number of Universes in the Bleed rose to 53. Neon then stated there could be a Multiverse of Multiverses in the Bleed.

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The current Post-Morrisonid Snyder Cosmology works as such in size and scale.

DC Omniverse = Infinite Source Wall Sized Multiverses >/= Dark Multivaerse >/= Our Source Wall Multiverse of Perpetua > Monitor Sphere > Limbo > Sphere of the Gods > Fifth Dimension/Hypertime >/= Bleed (Infinite Multiverses) > An Infinite Sized Expanding Universe

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Pure Illogical Cosmology.?

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@sungsam said:

I'll post some tid-bits here.

There are Infinite Multiverses in the Omniverse. Perpetura is the First Creator of the Main DC Multiverse, while her brothers and sisters tend to their own Multiverses outside the Source Wall.

There are Infinite Number of Multiverses, each of them tended by the unseen brothers and sisters of Perpetua. The Main DC Multiverse is respectively of our Perpetua, who is the mother of the Main DC Multiverse Anti-Monitors, Monitors and Forgers.

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Jl Annual 2019 stated that a normal 4D Universe is Infinite and Expanding.

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According to this page from Unexpected no. 7, Mandrakk notices that the number of Universes in the Bleed rose to 53. Neon then stated there could be a Multiverse of Multiverses in the Bleed.

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The current Post-Morrisonid Snyder Cosmology works as such in size and scale.

DC Omniverse = Infinite Source Wall Sized Multiverses >/= Dark Multivaerse >/= Our Source Wall Multiverse of Perpetua > Monitor Sphere > Limbo > Sphere of the Gods > Fifth Dimension/Hypertime >/= Bleed (Infinite Multiverses) > An Infinite Sized Expanding Universe

The bolded is a good summary of what is really happening with the Cosmology.

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@thor321 said:

@sungsam: damn, who imprisoned her???

Probably the Presence. Seem's like the only one powerful enough to do so. Or maybe Michael or Lucifer, but probably not.

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Dope I’m looking forward to reading about this

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So where would the Source sit in all of this. I would assume beyond the infinite Source Wall surrounding the Multiverses.

Additionally, where does someone like the Empty Hand come in. Is he one of Perpetuas brother since he owns Multiverse of his own. What would she have to say about his upcoming invasion?

And there’s also the question of who imprisoned Perpetua. Gaimann and Morrison don’t tend interact so I don’t it’d be Lucifer or any of the Endless of example.so I wonder who it could be.

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@sungsam: Now what it means for the DC multiverse as we know ?

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@sungsam: Now what it means for the DC multiverse as we know ?

Well, not so much, only that we know for sure that Dream of the Endless extends his influence embodying metaphysical constructs beyond the Source Wall.

Unlike some morons claiming that Dream is isolated to the Universe 51.

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After matters neil and Morrison looks like Snyder will gonna left his mark in dcs multiversal myths

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@sungsam: @bdelloidgrain2 I'm just glad Daniel Hall is getting the respect and power that he deserves for once. Knowing that he is responsible for the Dark Multiverse out said a lot of doubters to shame. Also, where does this place Lucifer and Death and other being who we scale (assuming we still can) above The other Endless?

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Sideways Issue #5 The Dimension between Universes

The Branefold Interior is a Dimension of Times between Times and Space between Spaces, it is the medium between the Timeline Universes of DC's Physical Multiverse.

It is the physical aspect/manifestation of Hypertime itself (meaning it is the Physical Part of Hypertime) and home of the Fuginauts who are Multiversal Guardians bent on keeping realities and potential realities from interfering from another to maintain reality's integrity.

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The Branefold's relationship to the similar Bleed Space is unknown.

See guys, if Lucifer was really only Universe level (not true), we should have been seeing THIS Branefold Interior instead of the Void whenever he was leaving Creation.

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@rijehu said:

@sungsam: @bdelloidgrain2 I'm just glad Daniel Hall is getting the respect and power that he deserves for once. Knowing that he is responsible for the Dark Multiverse out said a lot of doubters to shame. Also, where does this place Lucifer and Death and other being who we scale (assuming we still can) above The other Endless?

I like Daniel Hall, but Morpheus is my favourite Sandman. I think Daniel Hall = Morpheus in terms of power (as Daniel received them all from Morpheus). I still believe that Lucifer and Michael are the second strongest characters in DC (behind the Presence). As for the Endless, they are all immensely powerful, particularly Death, Dream, and Destiny (who have the best feats if I'm not mistaken). I believe Death is the strongest of them all, however.

But I am also glad that Daniel is getting more respect!

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This my friends, clearly indicates that Death of the Endless's reach goes FAR BEYOND Creation (unlike what the Monitor Wankers were saying) and Death will eventually claim the entirety of the Dark Multiverse when Dream goes dies with it. Since the Dark Multiverse is made of Dreams so we know Death can scale to it. Well, we knew this already, but it is more direct defined evidence.

Perhaps the range of the rest of the Endless can scale to it as well. Destiny is stronger than Dream clearly. Destiny possibly also contains the Dark Multiverse in his book because the Dark Multiverse is just a much much much larger part of the rest of the Main DC Source Wall Multiverse since it also must have a destiny, which is stranger because the Dark Multiverse is in fact larger than the Source Wall by several magnitudes.

And since the Dream power up.

Lucifer and Michael definitely scales to the Dark Multiverse size, since they are stronger than Dreams and they can overpower Dream.

But current Lucifer however? Not sure. He is currently trapped in the mind dimension of his baby mama. He's a broken old man now in the new Lucifer 2018. Kind of sad and depressing to read really.

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@sungsam said:

@bdelloidgrain2@rijehu

This my friends, clearly indicates that Death of the Endless's reach goes FAR BEYOND Creation (unlike what the Monitor Wankers were saying) and Death will eventually claim the entirety of the Dark Multiverse when Dream goes dies with it. Since the Dark Multiverse is made of Dreams so we know Death can scale to it. Well, we knew this already, but it is more direct defined evidence.

Perhaps the range of the rest of the Endless can scale to it as well. Destiny is stronger than Dream clearly. Destiny possibly also contains the Dark Multiverse in his book because the Dark Multiverse is just a much much much larger part of the rest of the Main DC Source Wall Multiverse since it also must have a destiny, which is stranger because the Dark Multiverse is in fact larger than the Source Wall by several magnitudes.

And since the Dream power up.

Lucifer and Michael definitely scales to the Dark Multiverse size, since they are stronger than Dreams and they can overpower Dream.

But current Lucifer however? Not sure. He is currently trapped in the mind dimension of his baby mama. He's a broken old man now in the new Lucifer 2018. Kind of sad and depressing to read really.

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I don't like the new Lucifer. This new Lucifer is too different from the Lucifer in Sandman and Mike Carey's Lucifer series. One of the things that made Sandman and Lucifer so special is that it was a unique image of how characters with almost limitless power operate. How they live their lives, what struggles they ensue, etc. This is too different. For my tastes anyway.

When it comes to Lucifer, the Sandman series (1989) and the Lucifer series (2000) are the best reads. These two versions of Lucifer are the Lucifer that I respect. A unique metaphysical and philosophical approach to Lucifer that holds merit and is extremely intellectual and well-written, not Lucifer as some hobo.

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THE SPECTRE APPEARS IN LUCIFER 2018-2019 #5

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Jack wanted to get to the Silver City (Heaven) but was halted what appeared to be a Grey looking Spectre. (Albeit a Flashback).

The Spectre appeared in JL Annual 2019 (story with Perpetua) and Lucifer 2018 within the same month.

DC and Vertigo are officially tying up again even further!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm sorry, but I just wanted to point this out for your reference, because some morons still think DC and Vertigo are not canon still. Just "Shoe horned references".

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Is Elaine still in the game???