Could Higher Stats Overcome Hax?

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#1 Posted by EndBringerNick (109 posts) - - Show Bio

Felt like asking this one. I had some debates with people, mostly on Spacebattles, who believe that higher stats can overcome any kind of hax. I also have heard character's with higher stats can't overcome said hax as they have no resistance towards it.

I am inclined to agree with the one who says that higher stats can't overcome hax. However, I'm curious about other people's thoughts on this.

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#2 Posted by Godren (3869 posts) - - Show Bio

No, it's just nonsense people spout so their fav characters doesn't get shit stomped by someone fodder in stats.

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#3 Posted by ourmanuel (13772 posts) - - Show Bio

@godren said:

No, it's just nonsense people spout so their fav characters doesn't get shit stomped by someone fodder in stats.

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#4 Posted by Gaoron (10089 posts) - - Show Bio

No but it's easy for hax to become a NLF argument.

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#5 Posted by SocaJunkie (9651 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on what the hax is. If it’s something that restricts muscle movement then strength could overcome it, if it’s matter manipulation then not so much.

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#6 Posted by XLR87T3 (10394 posts) - - Show Bio

@godren said:

No, it's just nonsense people spout so their fav characters doesn't get shit stomped by someone fodder in stats.

Case in point: Ainz Ooal Gown against DBZ characters. Read any thread on Narutoforums with Ainz vs anyone, it's a s***storm guaranteed.

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#7 Posted by MrTrey (934 posts) - - Show Bio

Good hax always beats raw stats if the more powerful character can't resist it/has their own hax, someone who can only bitchslap a planet in half can't do shit against a naturally intangible mind controller or something else like that.

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#8 Posted by Dmnb2wavy (665 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the hax.

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#9 Posted by TheAnimal666 (384 posts) - - Show Bio

Felt like asking this one. I had some debates with people, mostly on Spacebattles, who believe that higher stats can overcome any kind of hax. I also have heard character's with higher stats can't overcome said hax as they have no resistance towards it.

I am inclined to agree with the one who says that higher stats can't overcome hax. However, I'm curious about other people's thoughts on this.

Of course they don't, except if that's an explicit limit built in the abilities on the characters in-universe like in Dragon Ball for example.

The more Ki reserves you have, the less the attacks are going to affect you in Dragon Ball.

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#10 Posted by TheAnimal666 (384 posts) - - Show Bio

If people want to prove an ability will not work on their favourite characters, they better bring feats of that character resisting the mentioned ability.

That's called burden of proof.

That's how it works.

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#11 Edited by Kidolio (1688 posts) - - Show Bio

It really depend on the type of hax, like gravity control is a hax which strong people can resist by being stronger but hax like fate manipulation don’t give a F**k how physical powerful you are.

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#13 Posted by Kevd4wg (14282 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends, at a certain point, I think we should assume that characters have at least a base resistance to hax, unless it's like a super particular hax.

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#14 Posted by DeathandGrim (4927 posts) - - Show Bio

Only stats that matter in those cases is resistance to said hax. But in very rare occasions stats and straight up willpower can be enough. Superman, for example, willed up the resistance to being devolved into a primitive beast by Disciple's god primordial hax despite it working on him previously.

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Of course Superman willing plot armor into existence is also a stealth power of his but I feel this can still count

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#15 Posted by Wot_m8 (2363 posts) - - Show Bio

Depending on if the Hax in question is NLF or no.

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#16 Posted by TheAnimal666 (384 posts) - - Show Bio

@DeathandGrim2: His transformation into a primitive took a long time in both cases and didn't incapacitate him physically. He didn't really resist it.

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#17 Posted by Azureus (3244 posts) - - Show Bio

It depends on the hax itself, but generally yes. Higher stats can/frequently overcome Hax. Those who have deluded themselves into thinking otherwise are the ones with a complex.

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#18 Edited by mimisalome (5871 posts) - - Show Bio

Genius level intellect could coerce/trick a haxer, assuming he was given a chance... otherwise he could go the almighty prep route which, as Batman debater demonstrated, is a hax on it's own.

Super-speed could overwhelm a haxer with poor reaction time.

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#19 Posted by Kidolio (1688 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: ‘But generally maybe’ you mean like you said it depends. there’s so many different hax that rely heavily on physical power but many different hax that straight up ignore physical power.

Using any sort of blanket term for hax really isn’t completely accurate as Hax expand to a wide array of abilities.

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#20 Edited by DeathandGrim (4927 posts) - - Show Bio

@theanimal666: during the end it was much faster as implied by Diana being immediately turned to stone rather than taking forever

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#21 Posted by Skrskr (4023 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the hax and the nature of the stats themselves.

In DB hax resistance works in relation to power level which kind of makes sense since more powerful characters are protected by ridiculous levels of energy that reside inside their bodies.

But no, stats doesn’t automatically give hax resistance.

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#22 Posted by IndomitableRegal (17673 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the hax, and the difference in stats.

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#23 Edited by Eredin12 (1368 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on Hax but usually no , and it really is not NLF

You can be MCU Cap or DCEU Superman , if you have no telepathy resistance feats(Those 2 dont have them) then Profesor X can easily stomp you with Telepathy and it is not NLF at all, there are limits to it, if you have telepathy resistance feats on the certain level then you can resist it, same is with matter manipulation, or being erased from existence,...

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#25 Edited by kyrees (13595 posts) - - Show Bio

depends on hax and depends on the difference of stats or else you might as well argue professor x can mindcontrol living tribunal given the latter's lack of showing in resisting mind control.

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#26 Posted by Azureus (3244 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidolio said:

@azureus: ‘But generally maybe’ you mean like you said it depends. there’s so many different hax that rely heavily on physical power but many different hax that straight up ignore physical power.

Using any sort of blanket term for hax really isn’t completely accurate as Hax expand to a wide array of abilities.

While I mostly agree with you here, you are approaching this from a point where conditions indicate a level playing field here. A point where said stat dependent user would even have to deal with said hax. This is not the case. Generally speaking, overwhelming physical abilities can easily prevent the user from doing anything. They could easily be blitzed, oneshotted, or BFR'd before anything could happen. In a minority of cases, sometimes the subject is just so powerful, the hax itself just doesn't work.

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#27 Posted by Boby501 (545 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on which Vers we are talking about but yes in some Vers higher power can overcome Hax like Jiren Vs Hit or Freiza resist to Hakai ect.....

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#28 Posted by Devilmenworks (911 posts) - - Show Bio

Like the others have said, it depends on the Hax and the person with higher stats

For example, Chiatzu in DB and DBZ is telekinetic and can move objects with him mind. However when facing Nappa, Nappa's strength and speed were to powerful for him and his telekinesis didn't work.

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#29 Posted by King-Ragnar (5166 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#30 Posted by SabbaVSK (573 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the circumstances unless it's Dragon Ball.

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#31 Posted by eri123 (7241 posts) - - Show Bio

I think speed can deal with hax.

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#32 Edited by Kidolio (1688 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: I guess sort of but I was think more along the lines of, someone trying to tank a hax attack then but losing anyway because some hax doesn’t care about physical durability.

Tell me of one person that through pure physical might alone could survive an attack that changes every future to 100% result in their death.

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#33 Posted by Azureus (3244 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidolio said:

@azureus: I guess sort of but I was think more along the lines of, someone trying to tank a hax attack then but losing anyway because some hax doesn’t care about physical durability.

Tell me of one person that through pure physical might alone could survive an attack that changes every future to 100% result in their death.

Conventionally speaking, that doesn't exist. It would be verse dependent. For instance in series like Bleach, Dragonball, and Fairy Tail higher power levels essentially dictate how effective said hax is on said person.

As far as I'm concerned, everyone else simply has to prevent said hax from being used to begin with.

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#34 Posted by Kidolio (1688 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: That’s more of an anti-feat against the hax itself if the hax is said to be only effective on people as strong as you but isn’t effective against stronger people, that means that hax is limited. Of course if the hax wasn’t said to be weak ag ainst strong people and the person resisting just did it, it’s a feat for the person, not the verse itself.

Again I know but if it does get cast physical ability doesn’t matter in some cases. Like how no amount of physical power can help you if someone where to change the future where the caster wins a 100% of the time.

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#35 Posted by ThousandSteps (454 posts) - - Show Bio

Speed is generally how you beat a haxed opponent. Hax becomes useless when you get blitzed before you can process a thought.

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#36 Posted by ourmanuel (13772 posts) - - Show Bio

only very specific hax attacks

for the most part tho, no