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#1 Edited by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

Correct me if I'm wrong on the following:

Chakra control is how much chakra one is able to gather at once.

Chakra potency is how strong the chakra is itself. Say if regular chakra is a 1, nature energy/nature chakra could be 10x as potent, making it a 10.

Chakra reserves are simply just how much chakra one has.

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#2 Posted by Shadowchaos (1196 posts) - - Show Bio

you are wrong about the control.

Control is about chakra usage. For example say a person makes a rasengan. Somebody with poor control would need 60 chakra but somebody with great control might only need 30.

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#3 Posted by reaverlation (25879 posts) - - Show Bio

you are wrong about the control.

Control is about chakra usage. For example say a person makes a rasengan. Somebody with poor control would need 60 chakra but somebody with great control might only need 30.

Kakashi explained this perfectly in part 1 regarding Team 7 with Sakura having the better chakra control. Another example is how Naruto is able to distribute Kurama chakra to the Shinobi Alliance and make it compatible with every different shinobi's chakra

OT: A good example of potency is Rikudo chakra. Because of a tiny portion of Rikudo chakra, Kakashi with DMS, despite his average chakra levels, made a Perfect Susanno that can fly and make Kamui more hax. Reserves are self-explanatory

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#4 Edited by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowchaos said:

you are wrong about the control.

Control is about chakra usage. For example say a person makes a rasengan. Somebody with poor control would need 60 chakra but somebody with great control might only need 30.

Thats assuming rasengan is a jutsu that takes a set amount of chakra, which it doesnt. Any amount of chakra can be put into a rasengan. But rasengan is just one jutsu, there are some jutsu that you cant put any amount of chakra in. Some require a bare minimum amount of chakra but can have any amount more put into it as long as that bare minimum amount is put into it. Some dont require a bare minimum amount but have a cap to how much can be in it.

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#5 Posted by Shadowchaos (1196 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowchaos said:

you are wrong about the control.

Control is about chakra usage. For example say a person makes a rasengan. Somebody with poor control would need 60 chakra but somebody with great control might only need 30.

Thats assuming rasengan is a jutsu that takes a set amount of jutsu, which it doesnt. Any amount of chakra can be put into a rasengan. But rasengan is just one jutsu, there are some jutsu that you cant put any amount of chakra in. Some require a bare minimum amount of chakra but can have any amount more put into it as long as that bare minimum amount is put into it. Some dont require a bare minimum amount but have a cap to how much can be in it.

Rasengan was just the first jutsu to pop in my head.

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#6 Posted by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadowchaos said:

you are wrong about the control.

Control is about chakra usage. For example say a person makes a rasengan. Somebody with poor control would need 60 chakra but somebody with great control might only need 30.

Kakashi explained this perfectly in part 1 regarding Team 7 with Sakura having the better chakra control. Another example is how Naruto is able to distribute Kurama chakra to the Shinobi Alliance and make it compatible with every different shinobi's chakra

OT: A good example of potency is Rikudo chakra. Because of a tiny portion of Rikudo chakra, Kakashi with DMS, despite his average chakra levels, made a Perfect Susanno that can fly and make Kamui more hax. Reserves are self-explanatory

Thats not really an example of potency. All that proves is that the reserves of obitos chakra and the bijuus chakra was so large that even a tiny portion of that given to kakashi was able to allow kakashi to make a PS. Kakashi didnt have poor reserves in the war arc, he had really good reserves actually, he was spamming kamui and beating multiple kage level edo tensei at once.

Potency is like saying two chakra pools are the exact same size, but one chakra pool is made of nature chakra and one is made of regular chakra, and that the nature chakra is more powerful chakra even though they have the same amount.

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#7 Posted by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@zero_born717222 said:
@shadowchaos said:

you are wrong about the control.

Control is about chakra usage. For example say a person makes a rasengan. Somebody with poor control would need 60 chakra but somebody with great control might only need 30.

Thats assuming rasengan is a jutsu that takes a set amount of jutsu, which it doesnt. Any amount of chakra can be put into a rasengan. But rasengan is just one jutsu, there are some jutsu that you cant put any amount of chakra in. Some require a bare minimum amount of chakra but can have any amount more put into it as long as that bare minimum amount is put into it. Some dont require a bare minimum amount but have a cap to how much can be in it.

Rasengan was just the first jutsu to pop in my head.

So you understand what i meant?

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#8 Posted by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

Sakura had way less chakra than naruto yet her control was at a level naruto's wasnt so she was able to gather enough chakra in her fists to break trees with her hands, naruto couldnt gather that much chakra into any part of his body at that point so thats why he couldnt break trees like sakira could with just there hands.

Thats what I mean by chakra control

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#9 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1690 posts) - - Show Bio

@zero_born717222: chakra control is what someone is capable of controlling at one time. Basically their skill at utilizing chakra For example Naruto didnt have the chakra control to make a one handed rasengan in part 1 but at the end of part two with much better chakra control he could make a big one handed rasengan. Also more chakra control the less chakra someone has to use for the same technique, lets say a fire ball jutsu costs a number of chakra someone with poor chakra control would use 300 chakra while someone good could do it with 100 chakra and the two fire balls would be the exact same.

youre right about potency and reserves.

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#10 Posted by reaverlation (25879 posts) - - Show Bio

@zero_born717222: Stop making stuff up. Kakashi specifically says Rikudo Chakra to why he's become so powerful. Kakashi himself said he doesn't have large Chakra reserves. The War Arc gave Kakashi plot reserves in all honesty. Even after Kakashi lost the DMS, Kakashi collapsed since two MS require a lot of Chakra that Kakashi doesn't have, especially compared to an Uchiha or specifically Obito

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#11 Edited by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@whatamiseeing said:

@zero_born717222: chakra control is what someone is capable of controlling at one time. Basically their skill at utilizing chakra For example Naruto didnt have the chakra control to make a one handed rasengan in part 1 but at the end of part two with much better chakra control he could make a big one handed rasengan. Also more chakra control the less chakra someone has to use for the same technique, lets say a fire ball jutsu costs a number of chakra someone with poor chakra control would use 300 chakra while someone good could do it with 100 chakra and the two fire balls would be the exact same.

youre right about potency and reserves.

Pretty much. Basically if a jutsu requires a certain amount of chakra, then the person must be able to gather enough chakra to perform that jutsu.

But again, some jutsu can have ANY amount of chakra put into it, meaning anyone can perform the jutsu.

Taijutsu can have ANY amount of chakra put into it. Average ninja only have enough control to put less than even 1% chakra into taijutsu all the time, which is why none of them can snap trees with their bare hands like sakira or tsunade, who have above average control.

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#12 Posted by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@zero_born717222: Stop making stuff up. Kakashi specifically says Rikudo Chakra to why he's become so powerful. Kakashi himself said he doesn't have large Chakra reserves. The War Arc gave Kakashi plot reserves in all honesty. Even after Kakashi lost the DMS, Kakashi collapsed since two MS require a lot of Chakra that Kakashi doesn't have, especially compared to an Uchiha or specifically Obito

Lol what? Kakashi had like 5% his own chakra left by the time he got DMS lol, he was of course going to be exhausted regardless of what he did there.

And well plot did give kakashi those reserves which was asspull writing but whether we like it or not war arc kakashi has large chakra reserves.

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#13 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1690 posts) - - Show Bio

@zero_born717222: "the person must be able to gather enough chakra to perform that jutsu" yes thats true but thats chakra reserves. You can have enough chakra to perform a jutsu but not have the control to use it like when naruto was trying to make the mini bijuu ball in KCM.

Yea like for example Obito could use shinra tensai using any amount of chakra he wants there is no set amount to use that jutsu

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#14 Posted by reaverlation (25879 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation said:

@zero_born717222: Stop making stuff up. Kakashi specifically says Rikudo Chakra to why he's become so powerful. Kakashi himself said he doesn't have large Chakra reserves. The War Arc gave Kakashi plot reserves in all honesty. Even after Kakashi lost the DMS, Kakashi collapsed since two MS require a lot of Chakra that Kakashi doesn't have, especially compared to an Uchiha or specifically Obito

Lol what? Kakashi had like 5% his own chakra left by the time he got DMS lol, he was of course going to be exhausted regardless of what he did there.

And well plot did give kakashi those reserves which was asspull writing but whether we like it or not war arc kakashi has large chakra reserves.

Six Paths chakra is potency. Why did Naruto and Sasuke become so powerful when they received Hagoromo's chakra? They didn't just receive more chakra but more powerful chakra, something even Madara himself acknowledged.

Kakashi's words supercedes yours.

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#15 Posted by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@zero_born717222 said:
@reaverlation said:

@zero_born717222: Stop making stuff up. Kakashi specifically says Rikudo Chakra to why he's become so powerful. Kakashi himself said he doesn't have large Chakra reserves. The War Arc gave Kakashi plot reserves in all honesty. Even after Kakashi lost the DMS, Kakashi collapsed since two MS require a lot of Chakra that Kakashi doesn't have, especially compared to an Uchiha or specifically Obito

Lol what? Kakashi had like 5% his own chakra left by the time he got DMS lol, he was of course going to be exhausted regardless of what he did there.

And well plot did give kakashi those reserves which was asspull writing but whether we like it or not war arc kakashi has large chakra reserves.

Six Paths chakra is potency. Why did Naruto and Sasuke become so powerful when they received Hagoromo's chakra? They didn't just receive more chakra but more powerful chakra, something even Madara himself acknowledged.

Kakashi's words supercedes yours.

They got a huge amp in their chakra control. This was shown by how base naruto in his final fight with sasuke could make a rasengan with no shadow clones. So they didnt just get rikudo chakra whicj is alot of chakra and more potent chakra than normal chakra, but also amps in chakra control.

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@reaverlation: again, like I said before, kakashi was tired from using PS afterwards because he lost the chakra of it that allowed him to make PS and his base chakra was running very low at the time to begin with.

And its not like kakashi just made PS and then lost the rikudou powers and collapsed. He also used PS for a few minutes and used chakra draining jutsu with it as well. Again he wasnt able to make PS with his base chakra but only from obito and bijuu chakra. Even if kakashi had 100% his base chakra and two MS he still wouldnt be able to have made a PS probably.

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#17 Posted by reaverlation (25879 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation said:
@zero_born717222 said:
@reaverlation said:

@zero_born717222: Stop making stuff up. Kakashi specifically says Rikudo Chakra to why he's become so powerful. Kakashi himself said he doesn't have large Chakra reserves. The War Arc gave Kakashi plot reserves in all honesty. Even after Kakashi lost the DMS, Kakashi collapsed since two MS require a lot of Chakra that Kakashi doesn't have, especially compared to an Uchiha or specifically Obito

Lol what? Kakashi had like 5% his own chakra left by the time he got DMS lol, he was of course going to be exhausted regardless of what he did there.

And well plot did give kakashi those reserves which was asspull writing but whether we like it or not war arc kakashi has large chakra reserves.

Six Paths chakra is potency. Why did Naruto and Sasuke become so powerful when they received Hagoromo's chakra? They didn't just receive more chakra but more powerful chakra, something even Madara himself acknowledged.

Kakashi's words supercedes yours.

They got a huge amp in their chakra control. This was shown by how base naruto in his final fight with sasuke could make a rasengan with no shadow clones. So they didnt just get rikudo chakra whicj is alot of chakra and more potent chakra than normal chakra, but also amps in chakra control.

They obtained mastery in Chakra Natures. Naruto and Sasuke already had excellent Chakra control.

Case closed

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#18 Edited by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation said:
@zero_born717222 said:
@reaverlation said:
@zero_born717222 said:
@reaverlation said:

@zero_born717222: Stop making stuff up. Kakashi specifically says Rikudo Chakra to why he's become so powerful. Kakashi himself said he doesn't have large Chakra reserves. The War Arc gave Kakashi plot reserves in all honesty. Even after Kakashi lost the DMS, Kakashi collapsed since two MS require a lot of Chakra that Kakashi doesn't have, especially compared to an Uchiha or specifically Obito

Lol what? Kakashi had like 5% his own chakra left by the time he got DMS lol, he was of course going to be exhausted regardless of what he did there.

And well plot did give kakashi those reserves which was asspull writing but whether we like it or not war arc kakashi has large chakra reserves.

Six Paths chakra is potency. Why did Naruto and Sasuke become so powerful when they received Hagoromo's chakra? They didn't just receive more chakra but more powerful chakra, something even Madara himself acknowledged.

Kakashi's words supercedes yours.

They got a huge amp in their chakra control. This was shown by how base naruto in his final fight with sasuke could make a rasengan with no shadow clones. So they didnt just get rikudo chakra whicj is alot of chakra and more potent chakra than normal chakra, but also amps in chakra control.

They obtained mastery in Chakra Natures. Naruto and Sasuke already had excellent Chakra control.

Case closed

Lol yes they already had good control but you're ignoring some of what I said. Base naruto couldnt make rasengan without shadow clones or chakra arms before rikudou amp, after the amp he made a rasengan with no clones. Case closed.

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@reaverlation: again, like I said before, kakashi was tired from using PS afterwards because he lost the chakra of it that allowed him to make PS and his base chakra was running very low at the time to begin with.

And its not like kakashi just made PS and then lost the rikudou powers and collapsed. He also used PS for a few minutes and used chakra draining jutsu with it as well. Again he wasnt able to make PS with his base chakra but only from obito and bijuu chakra. Even if kakashi had 100% his base chakra and two MS he still wouldnt be able to have made a PS probably.

I'm well aware, something even Kakashi says before Naruto and Sasuke go to VOTE

Only because of Rikudo chakra is why Kakashi did anything against Kaguya. Itachi has two MS plus better reserves (most likely for being an Uchiha) yet Itachi couldn't make anything close to PS even as an Edo Tensei. Give Itachi that tiny portion of Rikudo Chakra that Kakashi had and Itachi would have a PS of his own

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#20 Edited by LoveEveryone (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre Waves Arc Season 1 Sakura had better chakra control than Sasuke and Naruto despite them both being stronger than her. Both had more chakra potency though. It’s just that she could control her power more than they could.

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#21 Posted by Streak619 (7736 posts) - - Show Bio

Chakra control simply deals with how precisely and accurately you can manipulate how much chakra within your body and while consumption.

To sum it up in a definition.

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#22 Posted by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

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@reaverlation: again, like I said before, kakashi was tired from using PS afterwards because he lost the chakra of it that allowed him to make PS and his base chakra was running very low at the time to begin with.

And its not like kakashi just made PS and then lost the rikudou powers and collapsed. He also used PS for a few minutes and used chakra draining jutsu with it as well. Again he wasnt able to make PS with his base chakra but only from obito and bijuu chakra. Even if kakashi had 100% his base chakra and two MS he still wouldnt be able to have made a PS probably.

I'm well aware, something even Kakashi says before Naruto and Sasuke go to VOTE

Only because of Rikudo chakra is why Kakashi did anything against Kaguya. Itachi has two MS plus better reserves (most likely for being an Uchiha) yet Itachi couldn't make anything close to PS even as an Edo Tensei. Give Itachi that tiny portion of Rikudo Chakra that Kakashi had and Itachi would have a PS of his own

Well no, kakashi never stated that to be the case. But his reserves are good but not good enough to make PS or at least not good enlugh to maintain PS for very long.

Itachi has always had small reserves, at least in comparision to every one shown with large reserves. this was stated by mulitple sources. Itachi just had really good chakra control which makes up for his reserves and is why hes physically able to keep up with people with much larger reserves.

However his poor reserves but we dont know EXACTLY how much chakra is needed just to make a PS, maybe just to make a PS it would take all of itachis chakra, or maybe it would only take 10% to make it, meaning it takes around 30% to maintain it for 3 seconds for him. Who knows.

And again, itachis reserves werent even small, they were just small compared to the reserves of every character thats been shown to have large reserves. Proof of this is how itachi, when extremely low on chakra when fighting sasuke, was able to shoot fireball for a very long time.

Its said that the average ninja can only shoot one small fireball jutsu and then theyd run low on chakra. And itachi also used MS justus on top that as well so he definitley has above average reserves. Also that was a sick and dying itachi, who was nowhere near his prime in term of chakra reserves. Had itachi not been sick he would have started that fight with a mucj larger chakrs pool. Like at least 10x more, and even that's lowballing lol.

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Pre Waves Arc Season 1 Sakura had better chakra control than Sasuke and Naruto despite them both being stronger than her. Both had more chakra potency though. It’s just that she could control her power more than they could.

There chakra was regular chakra just like hers so no they didnt have more potent chakra. They had larger chakra though. And her chakra control was better than thered during the bell test, after that naruto and sasukes chakra control became better and as good as hers if not better shortly afterwards.

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#24 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1690 posts) - - Show Bio

@zero_born717222: Naruto being an uzumaki and Sasuke being an uchiha have much more powerful chakra from the start than your average ninja. Then add in they are Indra and asuras’s reincarnation they have the most powerful chakra someone of their clan can get

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#25 Posted by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@zero_born717222: Naruto being an uzumaki and Sasuke being an uchiha have much more powerful chakra from the start than your average ninja. Then add in they are Indra and asuras’s reincarnation they have the most powerful chakra someone of their clan can get

Yes uzumaki and uchicha clan are known for large chakra reserves, though the uzumaki is more known for that. Yeah the whole indra ashura reincarnation BS, yeah that was pretty much ass pull writing just to give naruto and sasuke a reason to get powerups.

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Correct me if I'm wrong on the following:

Chakra control is how much chakra one is able to gather at once.

Chakra potency is how strong the chakra is itself. Say if regular chakra is a 1, nature energy/nature chakra could be 10x as potent, making it a 10.

Chakra reserves are simply just how much chakra one has.

Chakra Control:

Well its already explained by Kakashi in part 1. Having better Chakra control has basically two aspect.

1. A shinobi with good chakra control can perform a jutsu with much lesser chakra then a shinobi with poor chakra control. Kakashi already pointed out that with chakra Naruto used to create imperfect clone, Sakura could produce two perfect clone as Sakura have much better chakra control.

2. Another aspect is with better chakra control, maintaining chakra for a particular jutsu. Like walking in Water and Tree, and pinnacle of this being Byakugo (hundred sealing jutsu).

Chakra Potency:

This is the part where most of people might confused. I think its explained by Kurama to Sasuke when he says Madara has chakra more sinister than him. Or when Karin explains that Sasuke have much denser chakra then when he was at CS 2nd stage.

Madara definitely doesn't have larger chakra than him but, he posses much stronger/potent chakra, that is why he can match Kurama.

A shinobi with more potent chakra can match a shinobi with much larger chakra reserve. Coz he can produce same result that other with much higher chakra pool can produce.

Uchiha on regular have much more potent chakra than other shinobi. Sasuke also possess much more potent chakra than Naruto.

Chakra Reserve:

Well I think everyone understand this one. It simply means one having much more chakra pool

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#27 Edited by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@great_black_star said:
@zero_born717222 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong on the following:

Chakra control is how much chakra one is able to gather at once.

Chakra potency is how strong the chakra is itself. Say if regular chakra is a 1, nature energy/nature chakra could be 10x as potent, making it a 10.

Chakra reserves are simply just how much chakra one has.

Chakra Control:

Well its already explained by Kakashi in part 1. Having better Chakra control has basically two aspect.

1. A shinobi with good chakra control can perform a jutsu with much lesser chakra then a shinobi with poor chakra control. Kakashi already pointed out that with chakra Naruto used to create imperfect clone, Sakura could produce two perfect clone as Sakura have much better chakra control.

2. Another aspect is with better chakra control, maintaining chakra for a particular jutsu. Like walking in Water and Tree, and pinnacle of this being Byakugo (hundred sealing jutsu).

Chakra Potency:

This is the part where most of people might confused. I think its explained by Kurama to Sasuke when he says Madara has chakra more sinister than him. Or when Karin explains that Sasuke have much denser chakra then when he was at CS 2nd stage.

Madara definitely doesn't have larger chakra than him but, he posses much stronger/potent chakra, that is why he can match Kurama.

A shinobi with more potent chakra can match a shinobi with much larger chakra reserve. Coz he can produce same result that other with much higher chakra pool can produce.

Uchiha on regular have much more potent chakra than other shinobi. Sasuke also possess much more potent chakra than Naruto.

Chakra Reserve:

Well I think everyone understand this one. It simply means one having much more chakra pool

Your right about control and reserves, but wrong about potency. Potency is like saying two chakra pools are the same exact amount but are different types of chakras, one chakra being a 1 and the more potent one being 10x the potency of the other. Meaning despite them being the exact same amount of chakra, they are different in strength anyways, because of the natural potency.

This means if naruto used base chakra, it would make his rasengan a 10 in power. But if he used nature chakra (and its the same size as his base chakra) his rasengan would be 10x more potent and 10x the power, even though the exact same amount of chakra is there. This is just a hypothetical example of course.

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#28 Posted by great_black_star (3340 posts) - - Show Bio

@great_black_star said:
@zero_born717222 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong on the following:

Chakra control is how much chakra one is able to gather at once.

Chakra potency is how strong the chakra is itself. Say if regular chakra is a 1, nature energy/nature chakra could be 10x as potent, making it a 10.

Chakra reserves are simply just how much chakra one has.

Chakra Control:

Well its already explained by Kakashi in part 1. Having better Chakra control has basically two aspect.

1. A shinobi with good chakra control can perform a jutsu with much lesser chakra then a shinobi with poor chakra control. Kakashi already pointed out that with chakra Naruto used to create imperfect clone, Sakura could produce two perfect clone as Sakura have much better chakra control.

2. Another aspect is with better chakra control, maintaining chakra for a particular jutsu. Like walking in Water and Tree, and pinnacle of this being Byakugo (hundred sealing jutsu).

Chakra Potency:

This is the part where most of people might confused. I think its explained by Kurama to Sasuke when he says Madara has chakra more sinister than him. Or when Karin explains that Sasuke have much denser chakra then when he was at CS 2nd stage.

Madara definitely doesn't have larger chakra than him but, he posses much stronger/potent chakra, that is why he can match Kurama.

A shinobi with more potent chakra can match a shinobi with much larger chakra reserve. Coz he can produce same result that other with much higher chakra pool can produce.

Uchiha on regular have much more potent chakra than other shinobi. Sasuke also possess much more potent chakra than Naruto.

Chakra Reserve:

Well I think everyone understand this one. It simply means one having much more chakra pool

Your right about control and reserves, but wrong about potency. Potency is like saying two chakra pools are the same exact amount but are different types of chakras, one chakra being a 1 and the more potent one being 10x the potency of the other. Meaning despite them being the exact same amount of chakra, they are different in strength anyways, because of the natural potency.

This means if naruto used base chakra, it would make his rasengan a 10 in power. But if he used nature chakra (and its the same size as his base chakra) his rasengan would be 10x more potent and 10x the power, even though the exact same amount of chakra is there. This is just a hypothetical example of course.

you are saying the exact same thing I juts explained though. Sasuke beat Naruto in Final Valley Part 1, becoz he have much more potent chakra than Naruto who clearly have much larger chakra reserve and was using much more chakra.

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#29 Posted by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@zero_born717222 said:
@great_black_star said:
@zero_born717222 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong on the following:

Chakra control is how much chakra one is able to gather at once.

Chakra potency is how strong the chakra is itself. Say if regular chakra is a 1, nature energy/nature chakra could be 10x as potent, making it a 10.

Chakra reserves are simply just how much chakra one has.

Chakra Control:

Well its already explained by Kakashi in part 1. Having better Chakra control has basically two aspect.

1. A shinobi with good chakra control can perform a jutsu with much lesser chakra then a shinobi with poor chakra control. Kakashi already pointed out that with chakra Naruto used to create imperfect clone, Sakura could produce two perfect clone as Sakura have much better chakra control.

2. Another aspect is with better chakra control, maintaining chakra for a particular jutsu. Like walking in Water and Tree, and pinnacle of this being Byakugo (hundred sealing jutsu).

Chakra Potency:

This is the part where most of people might confused. I think its explained by Kurama to Sasuke when he says Madara has chakra more sinister than him. Or when Karin explains that Sasuke have much denser chakra then when he was at CS 2nd stage.

Madara definitely doesn't have larger chakra than him but, he posses much stronger/potent chakra, that is why he can match Kurama.

A shinobi with more potent chakra can match a shinobi with much larger chakra reserve. Coz he can produce same result that other with much higher chakra pool can produce.

Uchiha on regular have much more potent chakra than other shinobi. Sasuke also possess much more potent chakra than Naruto.

Chakra Reserve:

Well I think everyone understand this one. It simply means one having much more chakra pool

Your right about control and reserves, but wrong about potency. Potency is like saying two chakra pools are the same exact amount but are different types of chakras, one chakra being a 1 and the more potent one being 10x the potency of the other. Meaning despite them being the exact same amount of chakra, they are different in strength anyways, because of the natural potency.

This means if naruto used base chakra, it would make his rasengan a 10 in power. But if he used nature chakra (and its the same size as his base chakra) his rasengan would be 10x more potent and 10x the power, even though the exact same amount of chakra is there. This is just a hypothetical example of course.

you are saying the exact same thing I juts explained though. Sasuke beat Naruto in Final Valley Part 1, becoz he have much more potent chakra than Naruto who clearly have much larger chakra reserve and was using much more chakra.

Sasuke beat naruto because naruto was running low on chakra and sasuke wasnt. Also naruto could have killed sasuke despite that yet didnt want to, yet sasuke went for the kill.

Naruto and sasuke had the same chakra control which is the only reason they could physically match eachother there. Control matters more than amount

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#30 Edited by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

Heres a simple example of what I mean by potency.

Lets say I have two cookies that are the exact same shape height weight etc and all the same ingredients too. But lets despite these cookies being the identical in all those ways, lets say they are different in only ONE way: how good they taste.

The same logic can be applied to chakra potency. Two chakra pools can be identical except for one thing, that being the potency/power of them.

If regular chakra is 10 and everyone has regular chakra. Nature chakra could just be 10x more potent than regular chakra.

So if sage mode is just taking base chakra and making nature chakra of the exact same size as the base chakra, it would be 2x the chakra amount for the user. But if the naure chakra itself is more potent than the regular chakra, then the user IS going to have 2x more chakra than before, but the chakra they recieved is more potent, so they are getting more than 2x more powerful.

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#31 Posted by great_black_star (3340 posts) - - Show Bio

@great_black_star said:
@zero_born717222 said:
@great_black_star said:
@zero_born717222 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong on the following:

Chakra control is how much chakra one is able to gather at once.

Chakra potency is how strong the chakra is itself. Say if regular chakra is a 1, nature energy/nature chakra could be 10x as potent, making it a 10.

Chakra reserves are simply just how much chakra one has.

Chakra Control:

Well its already explained by Kakashi in part 1. Having better Chakra control has basically two aspect.

1. A shinobi with good chakra control can perform a jutsu with much lesser chakra then a shinobi with poor chakra control. Kakashi already pointed out that with chakra Naruto used to create imperfect clone, Sakura could produce two perfect clone as Sakura have much better chakra control.

2. Another aspect is with better chakra control, maintaining chakra for a particular jutsu. Like walking in Water and Tree, and pinnacle of this being Byakugo (hundred sealing jutsu).

Chakra Potency:

This is the part where most of people might confused. I think its explained by Kurama to Sasuke when he says Madara has chakra more sinister than him. Or when Karin explains that Sasuke have much denser chakra then when he was at CS 2nd stage.

Madara definitely doesn't have larger chakra than him but, he posses much stronger/potent chakra, that is why he can match Kurama.

A shinobi with more potent chakra can match a shinobi with much larger chakra reserve. Coz he can produce same result that other with much higher chakra pool can produce.

Uchiha on regular have much more potent chakra than other shinobi. Sasuke also possess much more potent chakra than Naruto.

Chakra Reserve:

Well I think everyone understand this one. It simply means one having much more chakra pool

Your right about control and reserves, but wrong about potency. Potency is like saying two chakra pools are the same exact amount but are different types of chakras, one chakra being a 1 and the more potent one being 10x the potency of the other. Meaning despite them being the exact same amount of chakra, they are different in strength anyways, because of the natural potency.

This means if naruto used base chakra, it would make his rasengan a 10 in power. But if he used nature chakra (and its the same size as his base chakra) his rasengan would be 10x more potent and 10x the power, even though the exact same amount of chakra is there. This is just a hypothetical example of course.

you are saying the exact same thing I juts explained though. Sasuke beat Naruto in Final Valley Part 1, becoz he have much more potent chakra than Naruto who clearly have much larger chakra reserve and was using much more chakra.

Sasuke beat naruto because naruto was running low on chakra and sasuke wasnt. Also naruto could have killed sasuke despite that yet didnt want to, yet sasuke went for the kill.

Naruto and sasuke had the same chakra control which is the only reason they could physically match eachother there. Control matters more than amount

Since when Naruto was running low on chakra? I am talking about part 1 Final Valley fight. Naruto was cloak in 1 tail kyuubi chakra.

It was already explained and proven time and time again that Sasuke have better chakra control. And Kurama also explained that Sasuke have more potent chakra than Kyuubi himself, as Sasuke suppressed him.

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#32 Posted by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

@zero_born717222 said:
@great_black_star said:
@zero_born717222 said:
@great_black_star said:
@zero_born717222 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong on the following:

Chakra control is how much chakra one is able to gather at once.

Chakra potency is how strong the chakra is itself. Say if regular chakra is a 1, nature energy/nature chakra could be 10x as potent, making it a 10.

Chakra reserves are simply just how much chakra one has.

Chakra Control:

Well its already explained by Kakashi in part 1. Having better Chakra control has basically two aspect.

1. A shinobi with good chakra control can perform a jutsu with much lesser chakra then a shinobi with poor chakra control. Kakashi already pointed out that with chakra Naruto used to create imperfect clone, Sakura could produce two perfect clone as Sakura have much better chakra control.

2. Another aspect is with better chakra control, maintaining chakra for a particular jutsu. Like walking in Water and Tree, and pinnacle of this being Byakugo (hundred sealing jutsu).

Chakra Potency:

This is the part where most of people might confused. I think its explained by Kurama to Sasuke when he says Madara has chakra more sinister than him. Or when Karin explains that Sasuke have much denser chakra then when he was at CS 2nd stage.

Madara definitely doesn't have larger chakra than him but, he posses much stronger/potent chakra, that is why he can match Kurama.

A shinobi with more potent chakra can match a shinobi with much larger chakra reserve. Coz he can produce same result that other with much higher chakra pool can produce.

Uchiha on regular have much more potent chakra than other shinobi. Sasuke also possess much more potent chakra than Naruto.

Chakra Reserve:

Well I think everyone understand this one. It simply means one having much more chakra pool

Your right about control and reserves, but wrong about potency. Potency is like saying two chakra pools are the same exact amount but are different types of chakras, one chakra being a 1 and the more potent one being 10x the potency of the other. Meaning despite them being the exact same amount of chakra, they are different in strength anyways, because of the natural potency.

This means if naruto used base chakra, it would make his rasengan a 10 in power. But if he used nature chakra (and its the same size as his base chakra) his rasengan would be 10x more potent and 10x the power, even though the exact same amount of chakra is there. This is just a hypothetical example of course.

you are saying the exact same thing I juts explained though. Sasuke beat Naruto in Final Valley Part 1, becoz he have much more potent chakra than Naruto who clearly have much larger chakra reserve and was using much more chakra.

Sasuke beat naruto because naruto was running low on chakra and sasuke wasnt. Also naruto could have killed sasuke despite that yet didnt want to, yet sasuke went for the kill.

Naruto and sasuke had the same chakra control which is the only reason they could physically match eachother there. Control matters more than amount

Since when Naruto was running low on chakra? I am talking about part 1 Final Valley fight. Naruto was cloak in 1 tail kyuubi chakra.

It was already explained and proven time and time again that Sasuke have better chakra control. And Kurama also explained that Sasuke have more potent chakra than Kyuubi himself, as Sasuke suppressed him.

Yes in part 1 final valley naruto was running low on chakea before they fought. Because he fought the sound 4 before he fought sasuke. And jirobo trapped naruto in a rock that absorbed chakra really quickly too and naruto even said the rock was absorbing chakra so quick that hed run out of chakra in a few minutes.

You need to reread my last comment

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#33 Edited by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's another example:

If narutos chakra control is 100 but has reserves of 1000, but kakashis control is 1000 but reserves is 5, then kakashi will always be able to gather 10x more chakra in his body for his physical strength than naruto will be able to. Meaning kakashi is 10x faster/stronger just due to having 10x better control.

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#34 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1690 posts) - - Show Bio

@zero_born717222: Yea that was total BS that came out of nowhere right when they were getting a power up

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#35 Posted by Killerwasp (17444 posts) - - Show Bio

THIS ISNT A BATTLE YOU DO REALIZE THERE ARE OTHER FORUMS FOR THIS RIGHT?!?!!?

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#36 Posted by lilcabbage (743 posts) - - Show Bio

chakra potency is a thing? wtf? narutoball z?

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#37 Posted by Zero_Born717222 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

THIS ISNT A BATTLE YOU DO REALIZE THERE ARE OTHER FORUMS FOR THIS RIGHT?!?!!?

I was going to change it to general discussion anyways, chill lol.

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#39 Edited by Kayc (592 posts) - - Show Bio

What is chakra?

Chakra is energy produced when mind and body meet to create an effect that won't normally happen.

Chakra reserves (stamina) - as the name implies is the total amount of energy stored in the body.

Chakra control - refers to the way by which chakra is manipulated to avoid unnecessary waste.

Chakra potency - deals with the 'effectiveness' of one's chakra in ninjutsu and genjutsu. A potent chakra will be more effective than others. For instance the Uchiha are known for powerful genjutsu, why? Because they have potent chakra through their sharingan

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#40 Posted by UltimateSage (3085 posts) - - Show Bio

@kayc said:

Chakra reserves (stamina) - as the name implies is the total amount of energy stored in the body.

Chakra control- refers to the way by which chakra is manipulated to avoid unnecessary waste.

Chakra potency - deals with the 'effectiveness' of one's chakra in ninjutsu and genjutsu. A potent chakra will be more effective than others.

This basically.