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#101 Posted by mrmonster (13599 posts) - - Show Bio

Love all the butthurt

The only butthurt here is from you (as usual).

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#102 Posted by Emanresu_20 (2327 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh God

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#103 Posted by MetalJimmor (5951 posts) - - Show Bio

Time travel, huh?

I really, really hope that isn't how Endgame resolves. Going back in time to before the snap and beating Thanos, thereby undoing all the deaths.

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#104 Posted by rem (1997 posts) - - Show Bio

Cool.

Anything to save CV from the cancerous Thor wank.

OT: Still absolutely dislike Brie Larson in this role. Should've been someone else. There's no dearth of talented women in Hollywood and it doesn't help that I think most of her implied power is derived from a combination of Larson's SJW Force, Marie Sue Force and Feminazi Force.

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#105 Edited by buildhare (8512 posts) - - Show Bio

She can also summon animals to fight for her and shoot rainbows out of her ass

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#106 Posted by jayc1324 (26289 posts) - - Show Bio

They're just making shit up now for the sake of making her more powerful than everyone else.

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#107 Posted by jayc1324 (26289 posts) - - Show Bio

Cool.

Anything to save CV from the cancerous Thor wank.

OT: Still absolutely dislike Brie Larson in this role. Should've been someone else. There's no dearth of talented women in Hollywood and it doesn't help that I think most of her implied power is derived from a combination of Larson's SJW Force, Marie Sue Force and Feminazi Force.

who do u hate more, thor or Brie Larson

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#108 Posted by geeman2 (1789 posts) - - Show Bio

Basically spoils the resolution for endgame.

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#109 Posted by jashro44 (51825 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't hate Brie Larson in the role. The most recent trailer looks like she is going to do fine. I just don't like Carol from the comics after civil war II and other recent stuff. Marvel's campaign to push Carol has made her very unlikeable and I remember years ago on comicvine she was a bit obscure but generally well liked.

I'm scared the same will happen in the MCU. If she is the most powerful its whatever. But I hope they realize there is a right way to be progressive and a wrong way. If she is going to just show up and one up all the fan favorite characters in the MCU people are just going to get pissed off and this will lead to resistance rather than progress.

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#110 Edited by BruceRogers (16937 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Well said and needless to say, your fears aren't unfounded. Carol's new ongoing has her battle an obscure F4 villain called Mahkizmo, who is a muscle bound male chauvinist. Gee, I wonder why he of all people was chosen.....

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#111 Edited by Gokluma (8105 posts) - - Show Bio

This is getting ridiculous since i'm doubting having Kree powers alone can time travel,lifting thor's hammer and pushing planets like it was nothing at all.

If this is true in the film then it's boring as fanfic's mary sues.

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#112 Posted by Geraldofvengerberg (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes: The movie makes no mention of Amazon slavery. It simply states that Amazon withdrew to the Island Zeus created ( Greek goddesses are ignored) to protect Godkiller. (Zeus's bastard child).

Your explanation about Amazons not being technologically is not convincing. The fact female civilisation is shown as stuck 300 BC not making technological progress is very troubling. In the comics, they spend thousands of years building peaceful technologically advanced society. In the movie, WTF were they doing all those years.

It is WW and her Universe that is massively nerfed in DC while male characters and their universe are accurate to the comics.

Yeah, gender scenes like Parliament scene can only be in WW movie but that just only scene while the rest of the movie was generic Superhero movie with nothing to do with Gender.

Ares should have been treated better, infinitely more powerful instead of wasting him in 5 min cameo and killed off like that.

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#113 Posted by deltahuman (4928 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324 said:
@deltahuman said:

Cool.

Anything to save CV from the cancerous Thor wank.

OT: Still absolutely dislike Brie Larson in this role. Should've been someone else. There's no dearth of talented women in Hollywood and it doesn't help that I think most of her implied power is derived from a combination of Larson's SJW Force, Marie Sue Force and Feminazi Force.

who do u hate more, thor or Brie Larson

Brie Larson and it's not close. I absolutely despise that woman.

I don't even hate Thor. Rather my fondness for a particular DC Character (You know who ) is mistaken as a feeling of hate towards Thor. I can't help it. Thor is most of the time pitted with that particular DC character and I always have to debate against him.

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#114 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (9271 posts) - - Show Bio

If she doesn't push a planet or bust a moon, I'll bomb the Marvel studios.

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#115 Edited by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (8927 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrmonster: lmfao. The fact you have to tag me an comment only proves that your butthurt. Quit crying baby.

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#116 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (8927 posts) - - Show Bio

@eobard21: wow it’s cringe to know how to spell? Bruh stop humiliating yourself.

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#117 Posted by EcstaticGrace (6898 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm hoping time travel is in reference to her coming present day or that its because of kree/alien tech. Not an innate power

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#118 Edited by Greysentinel365 (5602 posts) - - Show Bio

If the leaked plot summaries I've read are true she can't actually time travel guys. It's not an actual power she possesses. It happens to her because of....... something else.

Honestly the movie looks lacklustre so far but hopefully it gives good feats. I need a LA high tier to rep.

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#119 Edited by foxerdes (9778 posts) - - Show Bio

@geraldofvengerberg:

The movie makes no mention of Amazon slavery. It simply states that Amazon withdrew to the Island Zeus created ( Greek goddesses are ignored) to protect Godkiller. (Zeus's bastard child).

It does.

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It clearly says Hyploita lead the revolt and even gods themselves attempted to help them. And even if it didn't, such things do not make Diana less of a character in any way.

Your explanation about Amazons not being technologically is not convincing. The fact female civilisation is shown as stuck 300 BC not making technological progress is very troubling. In the comics, they spend thousands of years building peaceful technologically advanced society. In the movie, WTF were they doing all those years.

First of all - your entire argument is full of random claims that does not, in any shape or form, demean Wonder Woman as a character or as a hero. Movie Themyscira is a paradise island of very old-school female warriors who live in harmony for all those years. Their population is limited and their technological advancement ancient. If anything, I'd say that's the more realistic version of Amazon's island. Bear in mind that they were very peaceful and had no desire for rapid advancement or overuse of the environment and they were living on a single island. You have isolated tribes that live in an old way up to this day. Amazons had palaces and well organized society.

It is WW and her Universe that is massively nerfed in DC while male characters and their universe are accurate to the comics.

I already addressed it above:

First of all - your entire argument is full of random claims that does not, in any shape or form, demean Wonder Woman as a character or as a hero.

And you want me to believe that WoDC Clark is accurate to comics character-wise? Or that WoDC Batman is accurate to his comic book personality? The latter has an excuse as he is old and bitter, but their power level aren't on the comic book level, nor is their character depth. Diana received a wonderful movie and ton of new fans to adore her inspiring personality. WoDC Batman and Clark received a lot of deserved criticism.

Yeah, gender scenes like Parliament scene can only be in WW movie but that just only scene while the rest of the movie was generic Superhero movie with nothing to do with Gender.

The way she is treated at the parliament. The way she is treated at the bar and by strangers in any social meeting. The way she embodies finest feminine characteristics like empathy, gentleness and sensitivity combined with actual strength of character and capability to fight for what she believes in. And no, not everything in the movies has to be about her gender, because she is first and foremost a living being. Not everything we do is shaped by our gender.

Ares should have been treated better, infinitely more powerful instead of wasting him in 5 min cameo and killed off like that.

I agree. He is one of the best of Diana's villains. He was decent, topic I want to write a blog about, but he wasn't satisfying. It's that kind of villain that puts the bar really high. Point is, he never contradicted anything. As for the design, he should have look like the toy they had released before the movie came out. Or more like this.

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#120 Edited by Geraldofvengerberg (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes: They are a peaceful society but still protecting a lot of important plot devices that a lot of bad people want. So it is stupidity for them to ill-prepared for a war that will find them like the WW1 Germans, Steppenwolf and other villains from the sequel. Please don't bring realism into comic book movies because they are immortal magical women who live in an invisible Island created by God.

I am more confused about what they will do in sequels.Destroying her World ( killing all the Gods who are her greatest allies and enemies) nerfing the Amazons like she can't fly and she can't get her invisible Jet because someone is still stuck in 300 BC

I have no idea where the sequel WW84 is going or how Wonder Woman universe works and unlike all the other DC heroes like Shazam, Aquaman which are following the respective comics

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#121 Posted by Thorthunder98 (6335 posts) - - Show Bio

I think she's actually just going to be the Living Tribunal just disguised as Carol Danvers would make more sense

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#122 Edited by foxerdes (9778 posts) - - Show Bio

@geraldofvengerberg:

They are a peaceful society but still protecting a lot of important plot devices that a lot of bad people want. So it is stupidity for them to ill-prepared for a war that will find them like the WW1 Germans, Steppenwolf and other villains from the sequel.

I'll ask for the third time: How does nitpicking over plot holes takes away from Diana's character herself. Well, it doesn't. At that point we are literally discussing an off-topic subject. And you never even addressed their small numbers, ancient mindset, lack of aptitude for science and, seemingly, affinity for tradition. They had no idea what's going on in the outside world.

Please don't bring realism into comic book movies because they are immortal magical women who live in an invisible Island created by God.

Realism, or rather being more grounded in reality, is noticeable to a varying degree in CBM. It can be seen in different intensity from being the main theme of the movie (See Kick-Ass, Super etc.) to being visible but not as important (See The Dark Knight trilogy where the movie is supposed to be more grounded but it stills showcase the characters perform superhuman feats, although the consequences are far more real and you lack a lot of cheesy mambo jambo) and ending with the most extreme end of the spectrum, movies like Aquaman - one that perfectly understands its purpose. One in which you have colors, miraculous technology and wondrous adventure. Wonder Woman doesn't land in that category. It is, much like a lot of other comic book movies, somewhere in between. You have gods and amazons, but one of the main themes of the story - war - demands a more grounded scenes and tone. After leaving Themyscira, we see conflict on a mass scale, people dying for nothing. Weapons of mass destruction are being devised to kill even more and the fault does not lie in Ares as Diana has come to believe - it's all just us. Wonder Woman being naive, pure hearted and coming from a paradise island that is seemingly stuck in an ancient times is directly conflicting with what we see in the reality so similar to ours. There is tension and it makes us want to see more. That's also exactly what makes No Man's Land loved by so many. Diana risks it all to break the wheel that has been spinning for so long, devouring human lives. We know what war is like, and we see someone go against that evil. We see someone who stands up and says 'no more'.

Now give Themyscira a super advanced technology and invisible jet/flight for Diana. You destroy and entire vision. You'd literally have to rewrite an entire movie. And I'm ignoring the fact that Amazons not being technologically advanced is a plausible concept.

Destroying her World ( killing all the Gods who are her greatest allies and enemies) nerfing the Amazons like she can't fly and she can't get her invisible Jet because someone is still stuck in 300 BC

None of that takes away from her character. Being less comic accurate doesn't mean that the movie adaptation is not well written.

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#123 Posted by tparks (11807 posts) - - Show Bio

I will never understand why people are so upset that a superhero movie is finally going to have a powerful character.

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#124 Posted by Geraldofvengerberg (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes said:

@geraldofvengerberg:

They are a peaceful society but still protecting a lot of important plot devices that a lot of bad people want. So it is stupidity for them to ill-prepared for a war that will find them like the WW1 Germans, Steppenwolf and other villains from the sequel.

I'll ask for the third time: How does nitpicking over plot holes takes away from Diana's character herself. Well, it doesn't. At that point we are literally discussing an off-topic subject. And you never even addressed their small numbers, ancient mindset, lack of aptitude for science and, seemingly, affinity for tradition. They had no idea what's going on in the outside world.

Please don't bring realism into comic book movies because they are immortal magical women who live in an invisible Island created by God.

Realism, or rather being more grounded in reality, is noticeable to a varying degree in CBM. It can be seen in different intensity from being the main theme of the movie (See Kick-Ass, Super etc.) to being visible but not as important (See The Dark Knight trilogy where the movie is supposed to be more grounded but it stills showcase the characters perform superhuman feats, although the consequences are far more real and you lack a lot of cheesy mambo jambo) and ending with the most extreme end of the spectrum, movies like Aquaman - one that perfectly understands its purpose. One in which you have colors, miraculous technology and wondrous adventure. Wonder Woman doesn't land in that category. It is, much like a lot of other comic book movies, somewhere in between. You have gods and amazons, but one of the main themes of the story - war - demands a more grounded scenes and tone. After leaving Themyscira, we see conflict on a mass scale, people dying for nothing. Weapons of mass destruction are being devised to kill even more and the fault does not lie in Ares as Diana has come to believe - it's all just us. Wonder Woman being naive, pure hearted and coming from a paradise island that is seemingly stuck in an ancient times is directly conflicting with what we see in the reality so similar to ours. There is tension and it makes us want to see more. That's also exactly what makes No Man's Land loved by so many. Diana risks it all to break the wheel that has been spinning for so long, devouring human lives. We know what war is like, and we see someone go against that evil. We see someone who stands up and says 'no more'.

Now give Themyscira a super advanced technology and invisible jet/flight for Diana. You destroy and entire vision. You'd literally have to rewrite an entire movie. And I'm ignoring the fact that Amazons not being technologically advanced is a plausible concept.

Destroying her World ( killing all the Gods who are her greatest allies and enemies) nerfing the Amazons like she can't fly and she can't get her invisible Jet because someone is still stuck in 300 BC

None of that takes away from her character. Being less comic accurate doesn't mean that the movie adaptation is not well written.

The technology and Amazons stay in Themyscira until they are needed for sequels like in the movie.It would not have affected the movie at all. Invisible Jet simply broke apart once they reach Man's world. It is better explanation than an ancient boat reaching London from somewhere in Turkey in just 4 days

If it is us then why was Ares killed in the movie. He is simply God of ideas yet Diana killed him. He also tried to kill Diana. If he was dead, then how did humanity create nuke and other terrible weapons considering he is the one giving terrible ideas

I am talking about the sequels since they killed the Gods and Amazons don't have any powerful magic or technology. What are they going to do with sequels? Are they going to create new villains for movie since comic villains are dead.

Or simply going to ignore the previous movie like WW84 ignores that Diana gave up on humanity for 100 years.

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#125 Posted by Vulkanian (516 posts) - - Show Bio

She’s gonna make Thanos check his privilege.

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#126 Posted by Au_141 (880 posts) - - Show Bio

sUpErMaN iS tOo PoWeRfUl

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#127 Edited by foxerdes (9778 posts) - - Show Bio

@geraldofvengerberg: Your point about technology now comes down to "it would not have affected the movie at all." That's merely an opinion unless you provide an actual elaboration as to why it wouldn't. As for their trip to London, Steve mentioned they found a ride home so the journey is not impossible, nor is there any confirmation of it being four days as far as I'm aware.

Why did Ares had to die? I must ask, did you even bother to watch this movie again, before accusing it of all those things? Ares was crippled by Zeus' lighting and couldn't destroy humanity on his own. Diana changed that. He wanted her to join him - that's why he showed her mankind's cruelity and what a paradise the world could be without them. She refused, and so the fight broke out. Ares claimed that she will either join him, or he will destroy her. She struggled but ultimately believed in love. The end. Ares was the final test of her faith in humanity, one that Steve helped her pass.

Ultimately they both represent opposite belief presented in the movie. Ares that mankind is rapacious and vile - prone to starting war and capable of destruction. Diana choose to see the light and love in them. That's what created the conflict between protagonist and antagonist.

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#128 Posted by Geraldofvengerberg (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes: I like how you ignore that Diana gave up on humanity for 100 years after fight with Ares.

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Also here is video explaining why they cannot reach in 4 days in a boat

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#129 Posted by foxerdes (9778 posts) - - Show Bio

@geraldofvengerberg:

I like how you ignore that Diana gave up on humanity for 100 years after fight with Ares.

A lil' bit daft, aren't we? I would like to ask once again: how does any kind of continuity error or plot hole makes Diana less of a character or a hero. Short answer, it does not. At best it can put a dent on the movie itself. End of the debate. Anyway, as for your accusation, until Wonder Woman 1984 you cannot count is as a mistake because we have no idea what's going to happen in the movie or what's Diana's motivation. Period.

Also here is video explaining why they cannot reach in 4 days in a boat

So, here is the scene where Steve explicitly stated they caught a ride on their way here - arguably another ship helped them out:

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So, can you please give me the source that the journey took four days? Because first of all:

  1. The movie never claimed it happened over night. They simply made a shiny looking scene in which Diana wakes up in similar position at the end of the journey.
  2. Steve literally exclaimed they had a ride home, read another ship helped them out. Do you think Diana would just sleep dead while they board another ship? She was asleep, not in coma.

Are there things that do not check up with reality in Wonder Woman? Of course. Just like literally any other movie has issues. And don't get me wrong - I do appreciate that you bothered to post some random You Tube guy prattling about how they get there over night except they clearly didn't. He even pointed out some interesting inaccuracies when it comes to boats/planes. Unfortunately his one night theory falls flat if only you bother to listen to what the movie is trying to tell you.

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#130 Posted by Helloman (26744 posts) - - Show Bio

This is very interesting.

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#131 Posted by solar_nerd (1871 posts) - - Show Bio

This is obviously a spoiler for Endgame.

I know a lot of people are mad about how OP she is, but it makes sense given the source material.

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#132 Posted by Geraldofvengerberg (502 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes: It's the same ancient Amazon boat., they never boarded another ship. It was not 4 days, it is worse they made the journey in one night. The ride he is telling is the tug boat pulling the boat which increased the boat speed.

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#133 Posted by foxerdes (9778 posts) - - Show Bio

@geraldofvengerberg:

It's the same ancient Amazon boat

You can get help without smashing your old boat into pieces or throwing it away.

they never boarded another ship

I used the wrong word, my bad. They clearly did get help though.

It was not 4 days, it is worse they made the journey in one night. The ride he is telling is the tug boat pulling the boat which increased the boat

The movie literally never stated how long did it take. The scene transition is confusing but that seems to be the problem. Granted such journey would still take a long time, so I can concede here.

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#134 Posted by APEX_pretador (18889 posts) - - Show Bio

If she doesn't push a planet or bust a moon, I'll bomb the Marvel studios.

I heard (from sources I can't mention) that she tosses an invading alien planet bigger than our sun out of our solar system with one arm. Is that good enough to you?

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#136 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (9271 posts) - - Show Bio