Can Thor (IW) Withstand a Full Force of the real life Neutron Star Blasts?

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Poll Can Thor (IW) Withstand a Full Force of the real life Neutron Star Blasts? (137 votes)

Yes he can 55%
Nope he dies miserably 35%
No, not even Comic Thor could ever hope to accomplish that 10%
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Full force as in gravity and heat? There's not enough to suggest that, so I'd say no.

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U mean like 'star quake'

Hell no

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@batman242: There's something I know people fail to consider when talking about whether the neutron star in IW is real or not because it doesn't behave like one gravitationally.

The dwarfs must have used the same gravity manipulation magic in mjolnir/stormbreaker/Asgard in nidavellir but on a massive scale.

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There's nothing called "FULL FORCE OF A NEUTRON STAR" in real life. Specially not in the sense it's implied in the movie.

So you're gonna have to be a little more specific while asking this question. What do you mean by full force of a neutron star.

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No, people just need to accept that already.

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What the crap do people mean by "full force of a star"?

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#7  Edited By Emanresu_20

@ruthlesskiller: @aka_aka_aka_ak: @plotweapon16255: @deltahuman: @batman242:

The full force of the Star is calc’d in luninocity.

Yes there is an actual way to measure a Stars Power. I’ve actually informed most of you of this a million times.

OT: if we are talking gravity no he would not survive a gravity 200 billion times that of Earth.

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@ruthlesskiller: @aka_aka_aka_ak: @plotweapon16255: @deltahuman: @batman242:

The full force of the Star is calc’d in luninocity.

Yes there is an actual way to measure a Stars Power. I’ve actually informed most of you of this a million times.

OT: if we are talking gravity no he would not survive a gravity 200 billion times that of Earth.

Yes I know, I'm likely more educated on the subject than you are, but you keep smuggling in power = force. How do you know that this is what everyone means?

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#11  Edited By Emanresu_20

@aka_aka_aka_ak:

Power and force are actually very much related in their perspective fields depending what you are measuring. However it’s clear what Etrie was talking about considering Thor was taking an energy blast.

Power => Work/Unit Time => Work => Force/Distance

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@emanresu_20: So if we assume the neutron star had 18% of our suns power or force, that is 6.84 × 10^25 joules for two minutes at least. That is a lot of energy and while Thor was dying, he was still concious.

By comparison, superman was knocked unconscious and almost died from taking 1.255 × 1015 joules for less than a second

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@ruthlesskiller:

The energy of a Netron Star is around 20x stronger than a Nuke but let’s please not turn this into a Supes vs Thor thing.

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@emanresu_20:

Since you like to get very technical and like to use real life science a lot when it comes to this feat, Please prove that the Neutron Star in IW had even 0.1% of the total luminosity of the Sun before throwing in random numbers. You do this in every thread whenever this discussion comes up.

To know the exact luminosity, you need to have a clear estimate of the age of the Neutron Star, which you don't have. The Neutron Star in IW was eons old since the main defining characteristic, it's spin, was totally nonexistent.

And BTW, The luminiosity you're refering to, is Bolometric Luminiosity which is measured over a wide band of radiant energy But energy doesn't only radiate in the form of heat and light. A significant amount is lost to Neutrinos as well, which we can't measure at all. And this is the most profound way of energy loss in Neutron Stars.

But that's not even my main question. Since you like to quantify Thor's feat a lot, how exactly are you judging Thor's durability here.

In terms of how much energy they were hit with in total? Please provide the exact number on how much energy Thor was hit with.

In terms of heat? How did you measure the heat of the beam that hit Thor?

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#16  Edited By Emanresu_20

@deltahuman:

Netrons Stars settle at 1 million K after they cool down and can only shrink to a diameter of 20 Km. Any smaller they collapse into a black hole.

Putting the heat and size of it into account the Luninocity can only be .18. As I have said countless times. That is the equivalent of 70000000000000000 GW

There is no such thing as a Netron Star with a Luminocity lower than that number.

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#17  Edited By deltahuman

@emanresu_20:

What source are you using to put forth this ridiculous theory? It doesn't even make any sense.

Why would Neutron Star's settle at a particular temperature or luminiosity. They continue to cool down, first at a very rapid phase due to neutrino emission and then slowly due to photon emission. If nothing else happens to an isolated neutron star, it would continue to cool, such that T∝t^−1/2. Neutron Stars older than a few hundred thousand years simply haven't been observed yet.

A Black Hole and a Neutron Star has no direct relation. The mere fact that it's a Neutron Star means it failed to become a Black Hole. A Neutron Star simply doesn't have enough mass to form a Black Hole. What has Luminiosity to do with it? Neutron Stars don't have a lower limit to which they can go. They only have an upper limit in terms of mass, above which they are eligible to turn into a Black Hole. You are literally making things up just to prove your point.

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#18  Edited By Emanresu_20

@deltahuman:

Which theory? it’s an actual Calc using it’s heat and size.

The coolest know Netron Star has a surface temperature of 280,000 K. That is just the surface temperature. On average a Netron Star has a temperature of 1,000,000 k. You can find this information anywhere.

I am aware of why Netron Stars collapse into black holes. I was just pointing out that with a radius any lowers tan 10 km or a diameter lower than 20 km. Their volume would not be sufficient for their mass and hence collapse into a black hole. So again a Netron Star CANNOT fall below 10 km in radius or else a black hole will form.

https://futurism.com/the-weight-of-a-neutron-star-2/

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@ruthlesskiller: @aka_aka_aka_ak: @plotweapon16255: @deltahuman: @batman242:

The full force of the Star is calc’d in luninocity.

Yes there is an actual way to measure a Stars Power. I’ve actually informed most of you of this a million times.

OT: if we are talking gravity no he would not survive a gravity 200 billion times that of Earth.

Ur assumptions in the calculation is ridiculous.

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@plotweapon16255:

A Star with a temperature of 1 million k and a diameter of 20 km would have a Luminocity of .18 at the very least

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There is no such thing as a full force of a real neutron star. They can't be turned on and off like Nidavellir.

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Can Thor (IW) Withstand a Full Force of the real life Neutron Star Blasts?

The answer is no.

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@plotweapon16255:

A Star with a temperature of 1 million k and a diameter of 20 km would have a Luminocity of .18 at the very least

How does a reignited neutron star has that temperature when it has zero fuel or gravity to do that?

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@plotweapon16255: the neutron star isn't reignited. The dyson sphere containing it is simply opened to let it's concentrated energy through. Plus the surface temperature of a neutron star is 1000000 kelvin compared to 5800 for our sun. As for gravity, the dwarves already put a gravity manipulating spell on mjolnir and stormbreaker so I assume the dyson sphere has that as well.

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@plotweapon16255:

The key word is “reignited”. Meaning it was brought back to full power

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#26  Edited By jay_z94

He already has, the directors themselves have confirmed this. It's time to move on.

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#27  Edited By destinyman75

Yeah the salty ones need to learn he already has on camera and by statements so for the time he did yes obviously he can

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Yeah the guys with the blinder glasses on need to learn the difference between real life and fiction.

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Yes, and salty fanboys need to accept it. This is getting ridiculous, hell, the directors themselves confirmed it. If you don't take the word of the director, you got some serious ego issues.

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@plotweapon16255:

The key word is “reignited”. Meaning it was brought back to full power

it's not a neutron star if it's reignited.

Coz neutron star has no fusion materials to do that in first place.

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Depends on what you mean by full force of a star. If you mean literally all of the energy of a star concentrated on him than no. If you mean all of the energy that the star gives off for a short time than yes Thor can withstand it as he already has.

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What the heck do you mean? No hell No

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#34  Edited By Emanresu_20

@plotweapon16255:

First off no star can be reignited. Second of the Forge probably had magical properties that can infact jumpstart Stars. It’s fiction and writers will use what the can to advance the plot. On top of that it has been confirmed my multiple sources in th MCU be a Netron star and their words hold way more authority than your’s.

It is a Netron Star and this will be calc’d as a Netron Star.

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@plotweapon16255:

First off no star can be reignited.

Except it did here.

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Second of the Forge probably had magical properties that can infact jumpstart Stars.

#Fan theory

It’s fiction and writers will use what the can to advance the plot.

So it's a PIS!

On top of that it has been confirmed my multiple sources in th MCU be a Netron star and their words hold way more authority than your’s.

Multiple sources confirming something that was reignited is a neutron star only proves their lack of knowledge about neutron star.

It is a Netron Star and this will be calc’d as a Netron Star.

Again,

Burning star =/= neutron star

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Salty DCEU fanboys.. Move the f on! Gotdammit man.

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@plotweapon16255:

1. So admit it’s a Star

Dude you’re being ridiculous. Everything about the feat has been laid out by both the Movie itself and the Directors own statment a calling it a Netron Star on top of it being an onscreen feat.

Trying to debunk it due to it not being displayed as 100% real world accurate is asinine to say the least.

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#38  Edited By mimisalome

@emanresu_20 said:

@plotweapon16255:

1. So admit it’s a Star

Dude you’re being ridiculous. Everything about the feat has been laid out by both the Movie itself and the Directors own statment a calling it a Netron Star on top of it being an onscreen feat.

Trying to debunk it due to it not being displayed as 100% real world accurate is asinine to say the least.

the opinions of a bunch of ignorant people claiming a fictional "car" is "car" are irrelevant when the fictional "car" looks more like a "bike" and these ignorant people don't even know what a car actually looks like.

Now inside its own fiction we don't usually care. Its the basic of suspension of disbelief.

If they want to call a hole on a ground as a "black hole", then whatever, its a black hole, as far as the story is concern.

but if you want to extend the feat in to a cross universe or real world comparison, then you need to abide on some objective standards as baseline.

Words of science illiterate writers and directors wouldn't suffice as justification.

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@mimisalome:

If this is the case then there is Litterally no quantifiable high end feat in CBM.

The examples you gave were extreme to say the least. This feat is being nit picked for real world elements not being taken into consideration when the entire concept of containing and harnessing a Star is ridiculous in the first place.

Let me give you an example. Despite DCEU Superman being hit with a nuke then if we go by your argument it can’t be given the same comparison as a nuke in the real world. Superman’s Black Hole Feat sure as hell cant be compared to real black holes.

Now here some examples from Comics. In comics this would mean there is not a single person with a black Hole feat.

The point is we o ow exactly what the writers intended in the scene. They even said in the interview that the whole point was to Make Thor look more God-like.

This is why I say sure Superman took a black hole, Thir took a Star, and the nuke that hit Superman yielded 100 million Degrees and a 2 Megaton blast yield despite being in a high altitude.

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@plotweapon16255:

1. So admit it’s a Star

Where did I disagreed?

Dude you’re being ridiculous. Everything about the feat has been laid out by both the Movie itself and the Directors own statment a calling it a Netron Star

Except on screen feat contradict it!

on top of it being an onscreen feat.

Actually On screen feat actually contradict their statement which I have so many times!

Trying to debunk it due to it not being displayed as 100% real world accurate is asinine to say the least.

Nobody is asking for 100%.

It wasn't even 1% neutron star in the first place to make some assumptions!

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@plotweapon16255:

In what way did I contradict it? Because it was reignited?that just means the Forge is capable of somehow reigniting Stars. It is a giant ball of fire and metal and directly stated to be a Netron Star.

You know what. Believe what you want at this point dude. Just know in future debates I’ll be bringing the same logic to your hero.

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#42  Edited By mimisalome

@emanresu_20 said:

@mimisalome:

If this is the case then there is Litterally no quantifiable high end feat in CBM.

The examples you gave were extreme to say the least. This feat is being nit picked for real world elements not being taken into consideration when the entire concept of containing and harnessing a Star is ridiculous in the first place.

Let me give you an example. Despite DCEU Superman being hit with a nuke then if we go by your argument it can’t be given the same comparison as a nuke in the real world. Superman’s Black Hole Feat sure as hell cant be compared to real black holes.

Now here some examples from Comics. In comics this would mean there is not a single person with a black Hole feat.

The point is we o ow exactly what the writers intended in the scene. They even said in the interview that the whole point was to Make Thor look more God-like.

This is why I say sure Superman took a black hole, Thir took a Star, and the nuke that hit Superman yielded 100 million Degrees and a 2 Megaton blast yield despite being in a high altitude.

If this is the case then there is Litterally no quantifiable high end feat in CBM.

Now ain't that the truth?

The examples you gave were extreme to say the least. This feat is being nit picked for real world elements not being taken into consideration when the entire concept of containing and harnessing a Star is ridiculous in the first place.

Well it can't be helped that some people will become nit-picky when there are fans who couldn't understand that there is a BIG difference between reality and fictions and are trying to confuse these things as being one and the same.

The point is we o ow exactly what the writers intended in the scene. They even said in the interview that the whole point was to Make Thor look more God-like.

This is why I say sure Superman took a black hole, Thir took a Star, and the nuke that hit Superman yielded 100 million Degrees and a 2 Megaton blast yield despite being in a high altitude.

We know that writers want to make impossible things in their stories, but again that is irrelevant in an objective debate where different ideas collide.

You couldn't just say that one version of fiction is an actual demonstration of feat and argues that it applies universally in all kinds of discussions pertaining to cross-fictional or real world comparison, specially if the demonstration if far from being consistent with the actual real world definition of the said feat.

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#43  Edited By plotweapon16255

@plotweapon16255:

In what way did I contradict it?

Where did I say u contradict?

Because it was reignited?that just means the Forge is capable of somehow reigniting Stars. It is a giant ball of fire and metal and directly stated to be a Netron Star.

Burning star =/= neutron star

You know what. Believe what you want at this point dude. Just know in future debates I’ll be bringing the same logic to your hero.

Try ur best!

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@mimisalome:

If there is no quantifiable high end feat what is the point of these battles then lol.

I’m honestly aware of the ridiculous science behind some of these feats. I personally give the writers leeway because I understand what they are trying to portray. Especially when they outright say what they were trying to portray.

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@plotweapon16255:

Hope you realize that this applies to the nuke feat as well as the “black hole” feat lol.

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@plotweapon16255:

Hope you realize that this applies to the nuke feat

What?

as well as the “black hole” feat lol.

I never used it in first place!

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@mimisalome:

If there is no quantifiable high end feat what is the point of these battles then lol.

Entertainment... i guess.

I’m honestly aware of the ridiculous science behind some of these feats. I personally give the writers leeway because I understand what they are trying to portray. Especially when they outright say what they were trying to portray.

A mere "portrayal" wouldn't suffice, in my opinion.

The portrayal should (at least in the context of an objective comparison) also need to look very convincing.

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@mimisalome:

Honeslty it’s not like the completely butchered the Netron Star. It’s magnetic field and gravity at the very least be explained. The color scene was a bit off but other than that the actual portrayal of the Netron Star wasn’t that bad.

You could argue that one of the machines properties is igniting Stars

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@amcu said:

Depends on what you mean by full force of a star. If you mean literally all of the energy of a star concentrated on him than no. If you mean all of the energy that the star gives off for a short time than yes Thor can withstand it as he already has.

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#50  Edited By deltahuman

@emanresu_20:

The only correct aspect of your calculations is the size. There is indeed a lower limit on the diameter of a Neutron Star. Everything in the universe has that lower limit. It's called the Scwarschild Radius.

But you're worng about the heat. There is no lower limit on the radiant heat of a Neutron star. They continue to get cooler with time due to factors I've mentioned before. To know how much energy a particular neutron star gives off, you need to know how cold it has gotten, and to know that, you need to know it's age. As simple as that.

Even if you use Stefan-Boltzman equation to find out the radiant energy which is E = σT4. You still need to know the value of T accurately here, which you don't.

Your calculation is just an incorrect fan theory.

I have no problem in assuming that Thor withstood the energy of a Neutron Star for a few seconds. Problem arises when you try to quantify it. For accurate quantification, you need accurate numbers which you don't have. I have problems when people throw in random numbers and try to quantify feats with assumptions.