Can the DCEU be saved?

It's fine. If you don't like it the way it is, you can just choose not to watch it.

There's nothing wrong that some slight course corrections can't fix.

I'll leave it up in the air as to what I voted for.

Course correct and there you go. It's fine.

Yes... (but i am not sure in what standards)...

Does it need "saving" at this point? It's not like any of their movies bombed, and it's clear that RT views aren't enough to stop anything at this point.

Nope, sadly

No,the three first movies are already critical disasters, it's over, even if the next movies are in MCU lvl it will still have a poor image.

Edit:Thinking again I would say that DCEU could "partially recover" if they start making movies as good as the avarege MCU right in the next movies,still they will have an mixed and polemic reputation like fox and their marvel movies, some would say that they make good movies and some would say that their movies are terrible. But if they fail with wonder woman and Justice League then not even a "fox lvl reputation" will be possible, people will call their good movies a exception to the rule and profits will probably only decline.

Yes

Of course and it seems that perhaps it might be happening, given that Geoff Johns is helping out now. Zack Snyder isn't a bad director but his works do need a little more polish generally and I think Johns is a good person to help with that superhero-wise.

Keep in mind that none of the 3 movies released so far have been completely devoid of quality or anything good in them and that the biggest problem so far is WB over-interfering with the movies because they want to catch up with Marvel. We still have Wonder Woman and Justice League coming out so there is still hope. And mind you that the MCU was not declared a failure after The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2 turned out to just be average movies so I don't think it's fair to do the same to the DCEU after about the same number of movies.

Let's wait and see what happens with Wonder Woman and Justice League. If those two movies are on par with the trash DCEU put out this year, then we can sound the alarms.

Considering the business they are doing on box office, they are in literally no trouble.

I think it's early enough in the franchise that it could be saved with better directing. I think they need to take the focus off of the Suicide Squad spin-offs, focus on developing the JL members, and go from there. Maybe stop trying to fit multiple story arcs into one film, too. That makes it feel too rushed, ie: BvS being TDKR and Death of Superman while teasing Jason Todd and Darkseid.

Batman's a mass murderering psychopath, Superman doesn't believe men are good, lets innocent people die and died out of stupidity, Joker loves Harley and rants about beef, Croc is a gangster stereotype, Flash is a hobo, Lex Luthor is a Willy Wonka manbaby and the League's logos come from him, Cyborg is a bad Bionicle, etc.

It's over. Even if Wonder Woman's good, all this other crap still happened and is still part of the universe. Reboot! Get rid of it!

Completely disagreed. Geoff Johns ruined The Flash CW show and Zack Snyder is a horrible, horrible director. I'd go as far as to say that the previous 3 DCEU movies had no objective positives to them. Iron Man 2 and Incredible Hulk were average sure, but Iron Man 2 did well enough for what it was and both movies are significantly above any of the DCEU films. No contest at all.

Agreed. The DCEU can't be saved in my eyes. Burn it with fire.

@knightsofdarkness2: how did Johns ruin Flash?

Reviews and word of mouth effect sequels

Am i the only one who's noticed that dc is doing great in comics but bad in movies and tv and the reverse is true for marvel?

BvS was arguably a financial failure and all the movies besides Suicide Squad performed way below expectations.

Marvel is outselling DC in terms of comics, but yeah, I agree. Marvel comics are garbage now, but their movies and tv shows are way better than DC's.

He turned it into a shitty tween drama. CW shows are trash anyway.

For me, I don't think it's worth the effort to save it. There aren't any characters or plots in the universe that I care about, and some I completely dislike.

Building a shared universe like Marvel has done, has got to be a very difficult task. Marvel made us love their characters, before there was much interaction between them. Only small sips of a shared universe were teased, to remind us of what's to come, and they took their time creating quakity solo films before delivering on what we were all craving by the time Avengers came out. The first Avengers movie was such an unreal experience when it first came out. It's no big deal now, but what Marvel created at that time blew us all away.

DC just doesn't have a formula down yet. They've screwed up on every level, and have done more re-shoots and re-writes that happen too late in the process to save them. They have established a universe, but what they've established is a mess, a very non-appealing mess at that too.

Does anyone really care if Batman ever is on-screen again with Superman in the DCEU? That's the one team-up everyone's wanted forever They could have made a million Batman/Superman movies, and people would throw all of their money at it, if only they hadn't screwed up so bad. Now, I honestly don't care if they ever meet again, or really any other character from the DCEU. Does anyone care if the suicide squad meets up with anyone? I don't. That movie wasn't bad, but it would not mix well with the established roles of Batman and Superman.

DCEU needs a reboot. Make it last 10 years of solid movies, with some sort of well laid out plan, before ever mashing the two most iconic heroes of all time into another stinker.

No. The DCCU is done.

If you can't see how much trouble the DCCU is in your kidding yourself. There entire film roster is in limbo right now. Anything after JL, previously committed to films are not certain and don't have firm release dates.

Compare that to Marvels films after 2016. There whole roster is planed, dated and definite. Marvel is already filming A:IW and about to start filming BP.

Money>Quality is your logic

Both are doing great in sales with the area that they struggle with. That's why they won't stop it. They could improve if they wanted

Or the studios logic?

smh

Well The Batman has been officially revealed to be coming out in 2018 and Tommy Emmerich was just named the new Top Creative Executive at WB so there's your progress right there.

@knightsofdarkness2: they are? wow interesting thanks

Wait do you think dc is doing better in quality than marvel in terms of comics or are you taking tv and movies

@righteous300: Do you mean Toby Emmerich, not Tommy?

We should stop after JL and reboot in 5-7 years after DC gets their stuff together.

It's a joke. I put like a billion no options and one yes option because I obviously dislike the DCEU myself. I don't think it can be saved at all.

If you look at the no options and combine it it's obvious that a lot of people are dissatisfied with the DCEU, also go kil urself m8 how dare u criticise my poll get rekt.

All the films have done good at the box office so if that keeps up then they'll keep on making it.

However if they don't improve the writing, story and overall fix the amount of studio interference then the quality of the films might not sit well critically

Maybe if Wonderwoman turns out to be good, otherwise I think it's done.

No.

@heatforce: Wrecked by autocorrect. Yeah my fault.

Depends, if WW and JL are good yeah, super man is nowhere near as popular as he once was and batman will always be liked regardless. If they could establish the rest of their characters right (WW, aquaman, flash, cyborg etc.) then no one is going to give a damn about superman except his fanboys and batman always is good no matter what (especially with affleck)

There have only been three movies people....c'mon.

It needs saving?

@tparks: I don't after the first movie, and I really doubt people would throw money at batman/super man team up movies every single time they were on screen regardless if BVS was good. Now that that is out of the way JL is the movie that has to be good. Batman and super man are so overexposed and boring now that I would hold more interest in a flash and batman interaction or aquaman and super man interaction than some long fanboyisg batman/super man movie again. Both these characters are starting to get boring and I'm kinda of glad they got the blunt of the bad treatment so The other characters that actually don't have a million movies are treated well. SM and BM can finally be moved to the side.

um tell WB to stop interfering in the movie making process , a lot of you MCU fans love to forget that WB forced Zach Snyder and David Ayer to reshoot their movie's b/c WB wanted their terrible version , as of now , we know WB is one of the worst movie companies out right now , they have a bad history of creative differences in movies and if DC wasn't partially owned by WB , guarantee you a betted company would of got them like Universal , and the movies would be 20x better

If you mean live actions sure, but in cartoons DC has been stomping marvel for decades and still do today, young justice is better than any cartoon marvel ever did.

better than EMH i say Nay

I wish I could pick two options.

"Yes" and "It isn't in trouble, though".

"Yes" because the films are obviously hated by a specific section of their audience and the critics. This is something that can be changed simply by upping the quality - if JL turns out to be an improvement in the films, then it will reach these audiences. Sure there will always be some irrational hate, but generally, these movies earn their criticism.

"It's not in trouble though" because these films could continue being marketed and released as is, and people like me would pay to go see them. They may not resonate with parts of the audience, but they do with other parts.

Far better, emh just used marvel old stories and cut a lot to fix in one or 2 episodes,also the character development was terrible and they managed to make tony stark boring.

Young justice has a complex plot, great character development , explore the character emotions and relations very well.

@bluehope: EMH was far better than what is out now but the 90's X-Men and Spider-Man cartoons were really great and they crossed over which is sweet. Oh and how do you feel about Spectacular Spider-Man? That ended way too soon.