Can Superman (dceu) keep track of fox quicksilver?

Fox QS is well above mach 15k, so even if Flash were near mach 1k, its still not fast enough to prove that supes could track Pietro

@rookynubee: none of those links you gave has legit source of proof. Still waiting.

No one in the DCEU can keep up with Fox Quicksilver. Peter’s mansion feat, even while joking around, is far above anything Superman or the flash have done

No

Nah, he'd have an easier time keeping up with an actual cartoon like Roadrunner

Foxsilver solos the DCEU.

we'd have to know how fast Flash is

we know Diana is a casual bullet timer and she's completely frozen to Flash and Supes

it's completely possible

not completely. observe the tunnel scene where she actually tries to use her speed to do something, at that point she's moving slowly sure, but i'd think flash is like 20-30 times faster than her. the other scenes where she's scene as frozen, she's not actually attempting to use her speed, for example with clark she was being choked out

@battle123axe: we still need to know her travel speed to try to compare, like when Flash is running down the walls to get her back her sword he seemed to do that pretty easily, but wasn't watching his footing so he tripped

we can't really know if Superman can do this til we know how fast Flash really is

we do know he's many many times faster than bullets, but no idea how much

how are you (1) any more reliable than probably dozens of people?

none of them is more or less correct than you, but when they all come up with higher numbers than superman is capable of reacting too, even if we are to assume the mach 3600 thing = his combat speed (it doesn't), then fox qs still would have a vastly higher speed by agregeate

what? we already know her reaction speed, which is like mach 2 or 3, and we saw her reacting to flash and slowly closing her hands around the sword. this seemed like 20-30 times slower than flash's movements

@battle123axe: I said travel speed, and given how easily she handles multiple bullets her reaction speed could be well above that

she closed her hand once she felt it in her hand, thats not really reacting to the Flash

travel speed has nothing to do with it.she's falling, she has no control over how fast she does it, just how fast she can grab the sword.

she obviously can't react to flash per se, but we can see how fast she was in flash's perspective, certainly matches up with the 20-30 times slower thing

@battle123axe: thats assuming that Flash was going his fastest in that scene, like he was when dodging Superman

why wouldn't he be? he's trying to save wonder woman and you can see he wants do something good, he's at least moving with 90% of his speed.

anyway, flash is like 30 or so times faster than WW, and supes should be like 27-28.

assuming she's mach 5, that's like mach 150 for flash and 135-140 for supes, which makes sense considering the relative speed of the lightning and how fast Barry was moving during the mother box scene

also, we can't really scale Barry off of supe's Flying speed, because we never see him going really fast when he's flying with barry, only like just over mach speed.

Seventeen Thousand Times Faster than a Bullet?

or the other calcs said

8 -14% light speed... million thousand hundred 21, 670, 316, 529 Mph Mach 72 thousand or something.... 72,043 MACH

something like 72 THOUSAND times Mach that is 7 2 , 0 0 0 MACH SPEEDS

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/cw-flash-vs-fox-quicksilver-vs-mcu-quicksilver-1697205/?page=1#js-message-16773966

another post gives him a lower figure and says over 8,700 times the speed of sound ....still many, mnay times faster than any DCEU speedster

nobody in CW is above Mach 30. most DC tv/movie feats are so high-end, and also inaccurate....Quicksilver is Thousands of times faster than Savitar

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/aou-quicksilver-vs-dofp-quicksilver-vs-tv-flash-1657882/?page=1

Mach 1 2 0 , 5 0 0 times Mach speed

this video calculates Fox Quicksilver as above lightspeeds but its a Sky advert commerical on television so may be non-canon

...maybe non-canon

but from his other appearances

....thousands and THOUSANDS of times Mach Speeds

while Flash and Superman clock in around mach 4

1, 007, 739 . 8 mph or 1, 621, 800 . 0 kph

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I never said 3600 was reaction speed. He traveled from arctics shortest possible distance to kilimanjaro mountain in couple seconds. Which is legit feat. Meanwhile the other is legit assumptions.

They also gave random number to the explosion which makes no sense. Different explosion goes at different speed. We dont know size of the building either.

Once again some of the parts sound nice, some ar shallowed with no clear information. then they claim 75000 mach speed yeah lol.

I watched those videos many times and same thing occured when argumenting vs CW flash. Those videos are all based on assumptions. Some of the parts are legit some assumptions overrall result is partially assumed. Not saying Superman is fast or anything. But given consistent feats of QS wonder woman was easly bullet timer and was completely frozen when Supes and flash fought. They are probably close to each other.

Flash was also emiting lightning, which moved away from him as fast as he moves. We will get more feats of flash in extended cut to make more accurate calculation.

Check second video as Superman tracks flash he also sees the lighting moving away from him in slow motion.

I stll don't think you gett he concept of Quicksilver's insanely cartoonish over powered speed, he enters blurs of super speed while everything is already stopped, giving himself an extra boost multipler while already in super super speed

It's very difficult to measure this stuff into actually factual things we relate to...There is no point in talk about mph or feet or meters per second or kph or any other stuff until you get some basic concepts in your head.

Remember the speed of light is much faster than speed of sound, that's why from those new footage clips of wars and bomb attacks you will very often see the explosion long before the shock wave or sound arrives

During some of these insane speed feats stuff is happening in fractions of a second, sometimes hundredths, then thousandths and billionths of a second...that song time in a bottle played, so how much time does Quicksilver have?

How long do you think A BILLION is? there's no point in talking about this stuff micro seconds, miliseconds etc if you can not realize it in some in of related measurement.... its not 10 seconds divided, its not a hundred added up...how long is it? how long would it take you to count!?....31 years!! that's how long a cartoonish speedster has....If you could count continuously in perfect rhythm, one number per second, one Mississippi, two Mississippi...without breaks for sleeping, eating, and you know LIVING... for you to count to a billion....It would take you 31 years, 251 days

I agree Superman is fast but he has limits and what he mostly has is straight line speed, he throws haymakers and bullrushes...

Quicksilver has true speed and even makes other speedsters look slow for a speedster, his top speeds and reactions are insane...while explosions are already gone off, energy and lasers blasted, as bullets from guns already fired...Quicksilver is running around, goofing around, messing, taking peoples hats, drinking a can of cola....while everything moves in super Slow slooooo mo....he moves to second gear, gets a multipler * X * times whatever as stuff around him slows down even more, he moves quicker, everything snail pace almost motionless...then he can step it up to third gear, maybe he is pushing himself a little and getting tired, maybe his powers are not just speed based but is some kind of cartoonish mutant time based power? but hear comes the comicbook silver age light speed fraction stuff.... and now while already in super speed and everything frozen like a statue, he boosts himself again he moves even quicker, at an absolute blur, just a lightning zip or blur of color and light across the screen...like I said this happens in both Days of Future Past and the Xmen Apocalypse

Quicksilver took his time to clear the mansion, he did it thoroughly, checking everything, rescuing goldfish, checking under the beds, fixed people's hair so they don't look stupid, saving the dogs and even saving the pizza...he saved EVERYONE....Superman even with a fraction of a second warning, could not save one person in the granny's peach tea piss congress court room scene....but Quicksilver saved everyone ...saved after all those bullets fired...AFTER the bomb exploded and he did this chilled out, moonwalked, saved everyone while goofing off, messing around

some vids

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What grade was this individual in?

How can Superman only be Mach 4? LMFAO, the low-balling is real. In MoS alone, he flew half way across the earth in MAX 2.5 minutes (and that's assuming that those F-35, which can cruise at 655 mph, were taking their sweet, sweet time to reach the Metropolis harbor, which could have been NO MORE than 1 mile away. At the speeds F-35s fly at, the reality is that only a few seconds past between when Superman was knocked out and when he reached metropolis), which means he had to be going at least mach 400.

So how on Earth is Superman's top speed only Mach 4?????? What on Earth are you guys smoking?

Yeah, the guy who's punches could only send Apocalypse fly a few meters away. How is he going to hurt someone who can take punches that would send you through buildings.

still's a lot slower than fox quicksilver

in both of these clips, they're moving nowhere near as fast as the actual lightning itself, maybe a third of it's speed at best. i've already used the logic of wonder woman's relative speed to give an estimate of where there speed should be around. this is still nowhere near as fast as fox qs, not even assuming, just using logic.

not completely. observe the tunnel scene where she actually tries to use her speed to do something, at that point she's moving slowly sure, but i'd think flash is like 20-30 times faster than her. the other scenes where she's scene as frozen, she's not actually attempting to use her speed, for example with clark she was being choked outanyway, flash is like 30 or so times faster than WW, and supes should be like 27-28.

assuming she's mach 5, that's like mach 150 for flash and 135-140 for supes, which makes sense considering the relative speed of the lightning and how fast Barry was moving during the mother box scene

Never said otherwise, but to suggest he's a measly Mach 4 is laughable.

yup

Mach 4, btw, lol

Lol...no.

if dceu superman is mach four mcu hulk is a 3 tonner lol

official writers talk about Flash DCEU..... 15 mph multiplier they say 6.7 m/s * X *

they say DCEU = Mach 1.2

Quicksilver Thousands and thousands of time Mach at his slowest speed

Donner Chris Reeve has the highest top speed spinning the planet and time itself goes backwards

No, hell no.

MCU Quicksilver sure, supes could spot him.

Comic Quicksilver sure, supes could spot him.

But not Fox Quicksilver. He's one of the few characters to be superior to his comicbook (616 anyway) counterpart. FAR superior.

@outside_85: @transformaa: Why the heck is this a thing.

Superman couldn't save one person from an explosion a few metres away from him. He couldn't even just straight up carry the guy away before it exploded.

Quicksilver saved an entire mansion of people after the explosion occurred a few hundred metres away and he had time to mock about. Furthermore he wasnt even normal speed under those already slow motion.

Saving everyone a few hundred metres away from an explosion that already happened. >

Unable to save one person from an explosion metres from him with ample time to perceive the explosion

/Thread

Hell nah

@rookynubee: Im gonna ignore all of the garbage your wrote and not waste my time answering to complete nonsense of a post.

Ill just asnwer to the ending why Superman didnt save anyone in the court. It was because they used led box to prevent him seeing it comming. Not like quicksilver could save anyone there either. Quicksilver saved people at xmen building beause when he came there he was already moving at superspeed.

No.

@battle123axe:

okay, so are about 90% of feats on comicvine. you're gonna have to do better, especially if you can't prove said "assumptions" wrong.

I already written why his calculations are mostly based on assumption. i dont want to repeat myself again. Better read the post. Secondly yes there are legit calculations and there are assuming calculations. I covered things in my respect thread for Superman, and things i was assuming i wrote as assuming and things that i didnt i say is not assuming i can prove any feat beeing legit which considered as not assuming.

we know the type of explosion so we know the speed it's moving at. we also know the sized of the building based on the real life building where it was filmed.

First of all what was the explosion in the building i would like to see that? Also what building are you talking about? They have xmen base down there?

can you disprove them?

Be more specific which one. if you mean 75000 mph? yes i can. Give me link to complete post of that calculation.

can you actually prove these assumptions wrong? also, wondy was not completely frozen, she was only frozen when she was not actually trying to use her speed. when she was, you can see she's actuall capable of movement. "they are probably close to each other" is also a horrible assumption. they weren't even as fast as lightning, and i don't need to do all sorts of ridiculous calcs to know QS is far faster than that/

You literaly said it yourself. "assuming" = assuming. Its not clear proof. No wonder woman was completely not reacting to them, neither did she react to flash in any of the previous instances. She doesnt have feats to compare either. I never said they were lightning fast, i said even lightning was were visible to their eyes.

"i dont need calcs to know qs is faster" Or you are assuming again with no proof whatsoever. If you think he is faster than So be it its your opinion, but some other people have own opinions.

the glass scene never happened. and when are EC's canon?

How hard are you even trying. Glass scene is extended cut of the movie and will be released in 2-3 months. Does it make difference?

Also yeah that is canon. Everything done in dceu verse is part of the canon. What are you trying to say glas scene doesnt count? lol grow up.

in both of these clips, they're moving nowhere near as fast as the actual lightning itself, maybe a third of it's speed at best. i've already used the logic of wonder woman's relative speed to give an estimate of where there speed should be around. this is still nowhere near as fast as fox qs, not even assuming, just using logic.

Did i say they were as fast aslightning????? Did you even read my post????

I literaly said he could even track the lighting going in slow motion. When has QS done anything like that???

75000 mach speed lmao. keep trying hard.

He's always moving at that speed, that's his normal speed, and at those speeds, it really doesn't matter wether he could "see it coming" or not, he would start seeing the fire, and have enough time to fling people away to safety, and catch em when they land :P

@battle123axe: do you even read those posts before you link them?

guess what first link says assuming

Second round takes an average explosion rate, what if its not average assumes.

Third link nerdist literaly says at 1:12 "it will never be possible to really tell" Then procceds to say "let justr assume"

Reddit link? takes an average estimate. then says "assuming square" and i dont even want to talk about rest

The last video, first of all has shallow calculations of how large the building is as they dont have xmen base there, second doesnt clearify what explosion it was. Bases the calculation on the span of bee flaps. Souns legit calculation, pulled random number that it took him 0,05 secs to save 3 people basing on tnt explosion which he also took from the bee flap calculations. And came to answer of 112000 mach speed which is load of shit. making him 1/10th of lightspeed. Yeah really not. He would travel globe in one second with such speed and none of his consistent feats even comes remotly as fast.

so, people who can "see lightning" and move significantly slower than it are faster than people who move in superspeed when multi-mach explosions move in slow motion. i need proof for this? do i need proof to know dancing around bullets is faster than barely perceiving one?

Never said he can move as they can move at lightning speed, i said he could see lightning bolt spreading out. "multi mach explosion" still waiting for that explosion speed. Not to mention solid material in the way defiantly slows explosion spreading speed.

alright, when the infinity war trailer comes out,i'll use the feat of thanos crushing thor's head to say how powerful he is, becaus eall deleted scenes are canon now, even before we get the context for them.

or how about i use preview art from a comic 3 months before it comes out?

and i'm the tryhard here.

Did you see thanos crushing and splattering thors head? no you didnt, he probably felt pain from that. Also yeah thanos is supossed to be massively op. So what? Not to mention glas scene happened even in later trailers.

no, i'm trying to say a scene that's not part of the movie and was cut out isn't canon until the movie comes out with it in it. or else let's start to use MCU thanos or DCEU darkseid in threads, why not. everything is canon, right?

Things shown in trailers dont get cut out, unless its two years back things. even last years comicon stuff were present in the movie, why would glas scene.

in both of these clips, they're moving nowhere near as fast as the actual lightning itself, maybe a third of it's speed at best. i've already used the logic of wonder woman's relative speed to give an estimate of where there speed should be around. this is still nowhere near as fast as fox qs, not even assuming, just using logic.

I never said he was lightning fast. I already repeated this about 5000 times but you seem to have bad time understanding it. I said he saw lightning bolt spreading. Has SQ seen such thing in slow mo? Yeah lightning moves faster than the explosion spreading if you want to know that aswell. if its some kind of gamma explosion.

qs has danced around while moving significantly faster than lightning. they can track mach 286 objects. how does this make them faster than someone who moves in superspeed over hundreds of meters when events of faster speeds are happening in slow motion?

are you listening to yourself?

When did he dance around while moving faster than lightning id like to know. Who can track mach 286?.

how does this make them faster than someone who moves in superspeed over hundreds of meters when events of faster speeds are happening in slow motion?

What event at faster speeds is happening? Prove it. Fastest detonation velocity is that of Octanitroubcane which has velocity of 10000 M/S . The speed of lightning bolt is 30000 km/s over 3000 times faster. than fastest detonation speed.

You dont even know if it was octanitoubcane. What if it was even slow detonation.

You also compared somewhat wonder womans speed which makes no sense as wonder woman was completely unaware of them moving at superspeed.

Apocalypse has 0 speed feats anywhere even remotely close to DCEU Supes and he was able to rather easily, so yeah I guess.

@gotoucanario: what you talking about? His speed reactions feat is catching QS, you can see clearly he use some his eyes and increases his reaction time

The senate bomb scene vs The X mansion bomb scene just proves that Clark can't even begin to react to QS

I jst debunked his post yet again. The guy think because qs can outrun detonation velocity makes him faster than flash and superman who could track the lightning bolts moving away from flashs body. Fastest detonation speed is 10000 m/s, lightning bolt spread is 30000 km/s over 3000 times faster. then he claims runnign away from detonation is more impressive than seeing lightning bolts moving spreading. He also based his calculation on pages that all mention how they assume things. he probably didnt even pay attention to the details in those links.

@supermanforever: what the hell was that rubbish you just wrote?

I'm sorry all the evidence you need to see is the Senate bombing vs X mansion bombing and you can see QS is leagues above them

you do realise that lighting from flash isn't real lightning? That's like saying TASM2 is near light speed because he was dodging Electros electro blasts

Or that CW flash dodged lightning when it was confirmed he was Mach 2

Unless it was natural lightning which it wasn't it makes no difference and makes no difference

If Clark was that quick why Did he save 0 people at the senate bombing?

@royal_warrior: you realize that science is the only way to quantify these feats. That's how we know the detonation velocity to different explosions. Something we can't know for quicksilvers feat. It could be a lot slower than the bomb in the senate (not saying it is, just saying it's a possibility)

Not to mention that superman doesn't have a mutant power to break physics. Everyone in the mansion should have died the moment qs got close to them because of his sheer speed. If you accept the means to calc qs speed, you must accept the real world consequences of said speeds, and consider that Clark hasn't shown the same ability to travel at super speed without causing mach cones and disturbing the environment the way qs has.

At least until justice league where I think they just completely dropped the grounded in realism approach

@supermanforever said:

@battle123axe: do you even read those posts before you link them?

guess what first link says assuming

Second round takes an average explosion rate, what if its not average assumes.

Third link nerdist literaly says at 1:12 "it will never be possible to really tell" Then procceds to say "let justr assume"

Reddit link? takes an average estimate. then says "assuming square" and i dont even want to talk about rest

The last video, first of all has shallow calculations of how large the building is as they dont have xmen base there, second doesnt clearify what explosion it was. Bases the calculation on the span of bee flaps. Souns legit calculation, pulled random number that it took him 0,05 secs to save 3 people basing on tnt explosion which he also took from the bee flap calculations. And came to answer of 112000 mach speed which is load of shit. making him 1/10th of lightspeed. Yeah really not. He would travel globe in one second with such speed and none of his consistent feats even comes remotly as fast.

so, people who can "see lightning" and move significantly slower than it are faster than people who move in superspeed when multi-mach explosions move in slow motion. i need proof for this? do i need proof to know dancing around bullets is faster than barely perceiving one?

Never said he can move as they can move at lightning speed, i said he could see lightning bolt spreading out. "multi mach explosion" still waiting for that explosion speed. Not to mention solid material in the way defiantly slows explosion spreading speed.

alright, when the infinity war trailer comes out,i'll use the feat of thanos crushing thor's head to say how powerful he is, becaus eall deleted scenes are canon now, even before we get the context for them.

or how about i use preview art from a comic 3 months before it comes out?

and i'm the tryhard here.

Did you see thanos crushing and splattering thors head? no you didnt, he probably felt pain from that. Also yeah thanos is supossed to be massively op. So what? Not to mention glas scene happened even in later trailers.

no, i'm trying to say a scene that's not part of the movie and was cut out isn't canon until the movie comes out with it in it. or else let's start to use MCU thanos or DCEU darkseid in threads, why not. everything is canon, right?

Things shown in trailers dont get cut out, unless its two years back things. even last years comicon stuff were present in the movie, why would glas scene.

in both of these clips, they're moving nowhere near as fast as the actual lightning itself, maybe a third of it's speed at best. i've already used the logic of wonder woman's relative speed to give an estimate of where there speed should be around. this is still nowhere near as fast as fox qs, not even assuming, just using logic.

I never said he was lightning fast. I already repeated this about 5000 times but you seem to have bad time understanding it. I said he saw lightning bolt spreading. Has SQ seen such thing in slow mo? Yeah lightning moves faster than the explosion spreading if you want to know that aswell. if its some kind of gamma explosion.

qs has danced around while moving significantly faster than lightning. they can track mach 286 objects. how does this make them faster than someone who moves in superspeed over hundreds of meters when events of faster speeds are happening in slow motion?

are you listening to yourself?

When did he dance around while moving faster than lightning id like to know. Who can track mach 286?.

how does this make them faster than someone who moves in superspeed over hundreds of meters when events of faster speeds are happening in slow motion?

What event at faster speeds is happening? Prove it. Fastest detonation velocity is that of Octanitroubcane which has velocity of 10000 M/S . The speed of lightning bolt is 30000 km/s over 3000 times faster. than fastest detonation speed.

You dont even know if it was octanitoubcane. What if it was even slow detonation.

You also compared somewhat wonder womans speed which makes no sense as wonder woman was completely unaware of them moving at superspeed.

you know what? i don't really care.

you were right on some things, and i was wrong, but we're never gonna agree on them perceiving qs, so i'll just drop it.

Haha rubish with proof. What you wrote is just butthurt. Clark didnt save people at senate bombing because he didnt see the bomb because it was covered with lead and he was not at superspeed. Maybe in that regard you could say QS has better reaction. however faster? no he is not.

It is natural lightning, all speed force users emit natural lightning in different colors depending their conection with speed fore, but i doubt you even know things about flash.

If cw flash dodged lightning, then he is not mach 2. Confimed by who=

@webinyoureye11: Im tired of explaining for those guys. ive debunked alot of the calculations links and how they all base their arguments on assumptions. Then they claimed detonation is faster than lightning which is false. Fastest detonation velcotiy is tracked 10000 m/s which 3000 times faster than lightning bolt. Not saying flash and supes are that fast, but Superman defiantly could track lightning bolt spreading out from flash body. Also in that cut for extended version scene were flash breaks glas with finger he was moving close as fast the bolt itself.

They just keep beeing ignorant to prove a point. but thats their opinion

@battle123axe: ok