Can fictional characters be omnipotent

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Omnipotence literally just mean "all-powerful" at its core. "Power" is a confusing term that actually has 3 different meaning:

  1. Authority. The right to enforce decisions and orders. Clearly, this is irrelevant to our topic, so we will move on.
  2. Ability. What one can do. Originally, this isn't part of what "power" represents, but "power" as a short form of "superpower", making it confusing. The absolute term is "Complete Arsenal".
  3. Potency. The extent or limit to what can be done. "Strength" is the physical aspect of potency, and can be further categorised into striking strength, lifting strength etc. When someone say "strongest", they often mean "most powerful". The absolute term is "Ultipotence".

Omnipotence is complete arsenal with ultipotence, being able to do anything without limits. I know Superpower Wiki dump everything into it, but it clearly does not include omniscience etc. If a rock is granted omnipotence, it makes no difference as it has no will or intentions. Having the ability to become omniscient, does not mean you are. It does not mean they beat everyone automatically either, that will be omniarch, or what most of us understands as supreme power.

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Omnipotent means All powerful.

Other series it means can do anything.

Other used Religious meanings.

And yes fictional characters can be Omnipotent.

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If you want to be nitpicky about the term no they can't. omnipotency is paradoxical, but for all intents and purposes of a story yes they can be.

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No,because if they were REALLY omnipotent they'd able to effect reality(actual IRL reality that is....),leap out of the pages/screen/whatever,etc

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Batman exists so yes fictional characters can be omnipotent

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I do not believe, because they are still subject to the authors.

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Yes, it just depends on what you do with them. On the one hand you can have people like Saitama or Dr.Manhattan from One Punch Man and Watchmen respectively, who are clearly omnipotent (at least in their universes), but is like that with clear intention and is used to enhance the narrative, but on the other hand you can characters like Kirito from Sword Art Online, who's Omnipotence contributes nothing to the narrative except for enhancing the wish fulfillment garbage and is clearly not built for the type of story SAO is (hell if anything it detracts from the writing).

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#8  Edited By MetalJimmor

I do not believe, because they are still subject to the authors.

The author doesn't exist within the context of the story being told most of the time. Most authors don't interpret themselves as a divine entity and don't expect the reader to see them as one. More than that, if a character can't be omnipotent because the author is above them, then no character in all of fiction can be treated as a being with independent will, thus we can't like or hate them for their choices. They can't make choices. Everything in the story was fated to happen in that specific way.

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Within the confines of their story/ universe, yeah.

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Within the confines of their story/ universe, yeah.

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@bionicson said:

Within the confines of their story/ universe, yeah.

It's silly that this needs to be said because of an awkward poster.

The answer of course is yes, you can make a character whatever you want as long as you don't contradict yourself.

An omnipotent character should never be challenged unless they allow themselves to be challenged.

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No,because if they were REALLY omnipotent they'd able to effect reality(actual IRL reality that is....),leap out of the pages/screen/whatever,etc

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@password65 said:

No,because if they were REALLY omnipotent they'd able to effect reality(actual IRL reality that is....),leap out of the pages/screen/whatever,etc

This

@bionicson said:

Within the confines of their story/ universe, yeah.

Then they aren't TRULY omnipotent are they? As someone else said, if they were really omnipotent then they wouldn't be bound by the confines of any story or universe that they are in.

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#16  Edited By password65

@blacklegraph said:
@rustlingjimmy said:
@bionicson said:

Within the confines of their story/ universe, yeah.

TRULY omnipotent beings wouldn't be bound by the confines of any story/universe they're in,they'd be transcendent,utterly incomprehensible,and above anything and everything. They'd able to do things,like turning Sesame Street into the bloodiest,goriest,and darkest cosmic horror story ever and making it so it had ALWAYS been that way,turning YOUR ACTUAL REAL LIFE HOUSE into a multiverse sized potato,reversing time for ALL of fiction and reality,etc. And exactly ZERO characters are capable of such feats.

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Nope.

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If they are written to be that way in the story/plot/medium they exist in, then they are, solely in that universe/multiverse/whatever. They're obviously not omnipotent in our world, but that doesn't mean they're not omnipotent in their own universe. Most fictitious works have an omnipotent being, it just fits a hierarchy that can be explored.

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Well people consider religious figures omnipotent, so, yes.

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That's some deep shit in here.

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#22  Edited By MetalJimmor

@watcher5000:

When you read a work of fiction the entire point is to immerse yourself in it. Within the story there is no story. The characters are not characters, they are people. There is no backstory, there is history. There is no plot, there is only a series of events. If you're reading a work and at any point you go "Why did the author make THAT happen?" someone has failed. Either you as the reader failed to stay immersed or the writer failed to make their work immersive.

When you read a story with an omnipotent character, they are omnipotent. Within their reality they have no limits. The only reason they only have the one reality to exist in is because that's where they chose to stop. There are no borders or confines. Saying they can't leave their story is only a counter to their omnipotence if you ignore that the story was written as a reality and not as a made up story. A reality in which our reality doesn't exist, therefore there is no realm beyond the omnipotent's reach.

To say they can't be omnipotent is to basically say that you reject the fundamental point of story telling.

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#23  Edited By HeroUp2112

Could the writer of an omnipotent character write that character creating a rock that character couldn't lift? Hmmmnn?

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@watcher5000:

When you read a work of fiction the entire point is to immerse yourself in it. Within the story there is no story. The characters are not characters, they are people. There is no backstory, there is history. There is no plot, there is only a series of events. If you're reading a work and at any point you go "Why did the author make THAT happen?" someone has failed. Either you as the reader failed to stay immersed or the writer failed to make their work immersive.

When you read a story with an omnipotent character, they are omnipotent. Within their reality they have no limits. The only reason they only have the one reality to exist in is because that's where they chose to stop. There are no borders or confines. Saying they can't leave their story is only a counter to their omnipotence if you ignore that the story was written as a reality and not as a made up story. A reality in which our reality doesn't exist, therefore there is no realm beyond the omnipotent's reach.

To say they can't be omnipotent is to basically say that you reject the fundamental point of story telling.

I understand that, but if they are omnipotent truly then they'd be able to affect other fictional universes and even the real world if they wanted to.Sure they are omnipotent in their story, but they aren't omnipotent in the true absolute meaning of the word if they're bound to certain stories or universes.

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@metaljimmor said:

@watcher5000:

When you read a work of fiction the entire point is to immerse yourself in it. Within the story there is no story. The characters are not characters, they are people. There is no backstory, there is history. There is no plot, there is only a series of events. If you're reading a work and at any point you go "Why did the author make THAT happen?" someone has failed. Either you as the reader failed to stay immersed or the writer failed to make their work immersive.

When you read a story with an omnipotent character, they are omnipotent. Within their reality they have no limits. The only reason they only have the one reality to exist in is because that's where they chose to stop. There are no borders or confines. Saying they can't leave their story is only a counter to their omnipotence if you ignore that the story was written as a reality and not as a made up story. A reality in which our reality doesn't exist, therefore there is no realm beyond the omnipotent's reach.

To say they can't be omnipotent is to basically say that you reject the fundamental point of story telling.

I understand that, but if they are omnipotent truly then they'd be able to affect other fictional universes and even the real world if they wanted to.Sure they are omnipotent in their story, but they aren't omnipotent in the true absolute meaning of the word if they're bound to certain stories or universes.

This.

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No.

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Yes they exits.

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@watcher5000:

Within the narrative they can. Those other fictional settings in OUR world simply don't exist in theirs, just as our world doesn't exist. And if they do it's just as simple books. You saying they can't leave their story is an artificially imposed restriction that only exists because you aren't accepting the work of fiction for what it's supposed to be.

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@watcher5000:

Within the narrative they can. Those other fictional settings in OUR world simply don't exist in theirs, just as our world doesn't exist. And if they do it's just as simple books. You saying they can't leave their story is an artificially imposed restriction that only exists because you aren't accepting the work of fiction for what it's supposed to be.

Many fictional worlds do supposedly have the real world inside of them, in the end I don't see how you can say they are really all power and have no limits and then pretend like only being able to affect their universe isn't a limit.

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@metaljimmor said:

@watcher5000:

Within the narrative they can. Those other fictional settings in OUR world simply don't exist in theirs, just as our world doesn't exist. And if they do it's just as simple books. You saying they can't leave their story is an artificially imposed restriction that only exists because you aren't accepting the work of fiction for what it's supposed to be.

Many fictional worlds do supposedly have the real world inside of them, in the end I don't see how you can say they are really all power and have no limits and then pretend like only being able to affect their universe isn't a limit.

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@watcher5000:

Not all have the real world in them though. For those settings that do, and if the omnipotent can't effect it for whatever reason, you'd be right to say they aren't omnipotent.

As I said before though, you are rejecting the point for story telling by insisting that there are worlds beyond the omnipotent's reach. The story he exists in is a totality. Everything that exists, and he has absolute control. Thus he would be omnipotent. Nothing outside the story exists, so saying he can't effect it isn't a logical argument to make.

Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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A fictional character can have fictional omnipotence. Unless you believe in a diety or a higher power that DOES have omnipotence, then no.