Can DCEU Superman Tank this Mutant attack?

@supermanforever:

I am not saying he is more durable than Supes, but he clearly has superhuman durability. What really puys him up is his healing factor. Supes could handle the Optic blast and Shrapnel from Mags, but to handle those two plus numerous strikes from lightning and disintegration from Jean is too much.

@mrnoital:

If you punch correctly, you should have your weight behind the punch. Also, those speed numbers are lowballs,

Magneto's attack ragdolls the hell out of him. That thousands of tons of metal slamming into him at high speeds.

He's not resisting the Phoenix attack.

@superhero24: you should be putting your weight behind it, but its impossible to put literally every pound into it, that would be him running and dropkicking, you never put 100% of your weight into a punch

and sure they're lowballs....

@mutant1230:

Mach 135 is a big lowball when the dude can run hundreds of meters before an explosion travels 10 meters. If it was a gas explosion which travel 3,000 meters a sec. He would be moving double to triple that speed. This is only if it was a gas explosion. The average explosion travels 7,000 m/s. You also have a speed comparison between Supes and QS with one reacting to an explosion that he had no idea was happening and wasnt even in the vicinity, while Supes cant even save one person in a whole building, before it blows away the building.

Exactly

He'd certainly be floored, but I think he'd live.

@supermanforever:

that doesnt proof he is punching level of kryptonians who cause shockwaves with every punch and send you to the top skyscrapper.

I wasn't even talking to you lmao.

I never said QS=Kryptonian... I was responding to a comment from another user.

Superman takes it.

@superhero24: I think you might've responded to the wrong guy. I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. LoL

Tanks it.

@nightmare52 said:

@mutant1230:

whoops lol.

@superhero24:

Just means you are that much faster.

Because top speed includes drinking soda, moon walking, stopping to observe what people were doing, and doing a dudes hair. I understand ya.

speedster perception =/= reaction speed.

It is an assumption like the c4. You mean the shockwave that destroyed the ground and blew out the walls.

Lex used an explosive and c4 is widely used explosive which is based on facts.

I don't remember seeing a shockwave in that explosion.

That 0.05 seconds was nearly 90 seconds in Quicksilver time putting his reaction limit to 0.00056 here.

Which is still not enough since the explosion would have hit him in 0.0006 seconds.

He has only 0.00004 sec which in his perception is 0.07 sec.

In Apocalypse, He also runs give or take 500 - 600 meters before the blast could travel 15 meters. He runs 30 - 40 times faster than the blast. If the blast was 3,000 m/s it would have got there in .005 seconds.

Which isn't reacting feats.

Considering he stood right next to it for a few seconds, the blast speed wasn't a big deal to him.

Which happened while he was at speedster perception not reacting from real world time to speedster perception.

QS still would have had time to react and save some people if not most of them. That is if the blast was 3,000 m/s. If the one he faced was 7,000, then the BvS bomb would be that easy.

Based on his reaction speed in DOFP he wouldn't even have any time to save himself.

supes tanked a nuke and heat vision blast from doomsday which has better feats than the optics of scott. And he tanked it with absolute ease. So really who is lowballing who?

QS has crap feat to consider him hitting apoc and apoc tanking it makes him suddenly dceu kryptonian level. Apoc was not even durable enough to tank some rocks let alone nukes and gravity beams that flatten cities. So really saying that jeans blast killed apoc means her blast could kill supes aswell is just false claims. ok if we go by the fact that jean uses phoneix i would say via assumptions and comics/logic jean would easly one shot. However going by feats superman would stay unharmed.

Some of the facts on how craps apoc durability was.

Getting slashed with sword

Horsemen needed to protect him when he was getting powerup ritual when pyramid collapsed they needed to protect him from the rocks.

Guards attacked him when ritual was happening meaning they were trying to kill him by probably stabbing or burning him and if superman was lying there instead. Please explain how any of those guards would even cause him any harm.

He needed to block from shrapnel of magneto, from scots beam etc. He is superhuman durable, but far from level of doomsday or superman.

If perfect physics applied to QS then all the people he saved would be dead. If he was punching as hard as his speed would allow in real life he would have made shockwaves and there would've been visible damage to the ground around QS. It's clear Apoc has some degree of superhuman durability and QS punches are also superhuman but going from that to saying Phoenix > Nukes is a huge jump in logic.

It's perfectly possible that Phoenix will be that strong in her follow up movie, but right now her one feat is unquantifiable.

The wank of DCEU Superman hasbecome ridiculous.

@thor_parker82: Why? Nothing here is that impressive besides Phoenix's unquantifiable desintegration.

-Metal shrapnel, non issue. Metal is many times weaker than Kryptonians and couldn't hope to pierce Supes. Might as well try breaking a steel beam with a wooden log.

-Regular lighting strikes from storm, again nothing that impressive, Kryptonians have shown extreme resistance to heat, coming from several different explosions unscathed and tanking Doomsday's HV and surviving the center of a nuke. If millions of degrees couldn't vaporize Supes, lighting strikes at 10k farenheit won't do much.

-Optic blast, same as above, optic blast doesn't have feats above DD's or kryptonian HV which Supes has tanked without damage.

That only leaves us with Phoenix, which might or might not be able to kill Supes, but it's impossible to prove for now. All it did was destroy Apoc, while impressive it's not quantifiable beyond being stronger than the other attacks.

@gotoucanario: Eh, I´m not really going to argue, just stating my opinion.

I think he tanks it.

supermans durability is shown far more successfully than apocalypse by FEATS. We're also not too sure how much damage is inflicted on the Phoenix force burst

@redatom1234: Reality warping level damage so a ton

@tj849: based on what? It was just heat I think

@DammeFavour: Thats what she can do with the phoneix and its the only way I think she would've destroyed apoc because heat wouldnt do it. She would've been telepathically mind ra*ping him and the reality warping/cosmic level aspect aspect of her powers would've finished the job.

@tj849: this is not comic phoenix, fox jean has shown none of the things u mentioned, it was just heat since we actually saw apocalypse burn up. Still way lower than a 10th of a nuke

the only feat phoneix blast has is destroying apocalypse armor and destroying. Apoc has crap durability feats to suggest it would harm Superman aswell. Via logic and assumption probably would kill supes with ease. However with good old way of battles like using feats. No he would tank that blast, unless it gets better feat.

You assume its mindraping, comsic level warping etc. Those are comparison to comics of what phoneix force is. But going by feats in the movie, the only feat it has is taking down apoc. Which is not even close to enough to suggest it would kill Superman.

Watch the QS clip, that shows his superhuman durability.

@DammeFavour: No one knows that, its just more likely that she was doing that.

prove it, if he is anywhere near superman level, why did he get cut with sword? why did they need to protect him from simple rocks and people with sticks when he was doing powerup ritual? QS feat does not prove he is superman level durability. How fast qs moving there? how much did his fist weight. What was the power he aplied?

Yet again just talk no feats. Superhuman durability doesnt mean Superman level durability.

Yes he can. Only the Phoenix attack is iffy because we don't know the nature of it.

@supermanforever: Its common sense

No, Phoenix is too much, Mags, Scott, and Storm sure he can take.

Exactly, you've got Superman fanboys in here that probably dont even know that Supes can time travel.

Yes, easily. No, that attack isn't more destructive than a nuke to the face.

@tj849: dude....live action versions. stop reaching, lol.....superman can't time travel.

we use feats, the phoenix in that movie has much less dc than a nuke

Super man could tank it all

Comic Phoenix is not the same as movie phoenix

lightning from storm, heat from the optic blast and metal from magneto isn't doing jack to super man

@DammeFavour: You know nothing lmao. Anybody who knows anything about Superman knows he can time travel haha. Type it in on youtube.

People aren't wanking Superman. He tanks it, because he has feats that put his durability far above that of Apocalypse.

@tj849: Modern Superman can't time travel. The only versions of Superman that can time travel are Pre Crisis and Reeve. Neither of those are the same versions as the one currently in comics or the one used in this debate.

@tj849: but based off what? I mean we don't know how powerful her reality warping is. It really could've just been heat. And there's nothing in the film that says apocalypse couldn't be talent down by a lot of heat ??‍♂️

What I'm saying is, maybe you're right and it was reality warping, but we don't have anybody concrete facts that tell us how powerful the energy she emitted was or whether or not it would phase superman

Ergo superman wins

Tanks it.

@redatom1234: I just dont see how he tanks it. He just aint resisting the phoenix.

I like how people focus on apocs physical durability, and not the power of his Tk which restructured a city into a pyramid in seconds with no noticeable strain on apoc. That's what jean overpowered. You would have to prove supes is more powerful than mageneto, which I doubt, in order to say he's tanking something from someone much more powerful