Bleach Respect thread (discussing power levels)

kubo finally did the impossible:

zaraki has a bankai

kenpachi's bankai appears in the next chapter :O we might finally get to see kenpachi gain more stats which might force jeepeh to add more feats to this thread since the power he has gained from his bankai seems to be significant

This thread was and still is trash just like Bleach

alot of nonsense on here.

Bleach has no place here. This is all Naruto territory now. Get lost.

Bleach and Respect don't belong in the same sentence together.

Nice RT OP.

Reading some of the comments, and knowing about what people are writing on the Bleach vs threads, Bleach really doesn't belong on ComicVine. For real now, I haven't go on to many vs sites, but ComicVine has the biggest Bleach downplay of all the sites I've went on.

Bump

1. SS arc Ichigo Lightning speed? Agreed.

2. Ulquiorra is Mach 500? Agreed.

3. Chojiro's Zanpakuto manipulates Lightning but it does not increase his Speed and Strength in any way. His Bankai only raises his Attack potency and Speed.

4. Ichigo's Bankai increases his Speed cuz it is a Melee-type Zanpakuto.

5. Gin's Zanpakuto is less than Mach 500. It doesn't matter who he lied to. He was under constant observation from Aizen and i doubt he would tell two different lies. Also, the Databook states that his Zanpakuto is slower than he stated. Like u said, CONTEXT.

6. Ichigo and Espadas 4 and above are NOT small country lvl. They are City- lvl via ACTUAL feats. It's very obvious that Las Noches is city sized. I mean u can even see the towers above the Palace clearly from a close distance.

7. Espadas above 4 do not have any country lvl feats. They can be scaled to City but small country is a bit wankish.

8. Quincy arc Ichigo is faster than Lightning but he isn't anywhere near Lightspeed of even half that speed. I see him having Mach 10k in reactions but in combat speed, i give him Mach 5000 or close to it via plot development.

@jeepeh: Regarde la vérité en face

Tout d'abord ichigo est un être multidimensionnel

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STRENGTH:

Ichigo's strenght level is galactic  because he broke Aizen's Black Coffin which distorts space-time in a manner akin to a black hole.(its not a black hole but he has the same power) just in Dangai imagine in final Bankai..

https://images.app.goo.gl/5c8k7iyqg3ASiBco8

https://images.app.goo.gl/SzGDTF7Wo8Tv545p7

Aizen is also of a similar level because of destroying The Cleaner in the Dangai. With the Dangai being a basically a wormhole that the Cleaner's job is to keep it (the wormhole) from collapsing on itself, destroying the Cleaner also puts him at similar level.(A creature made of time and he govern space-time)

https://bleach.fandom.com/wiki/Dangai

Ps(in french) Databook :Official Character Book 3 UNMASKED Aizen fusion.

Link

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-14a8e9e4b74d2bf17b6d2dffb60a2a6b

https://athakra.livejournal.com/1009.html Translation .

And this video is french https://youtu.be/m8jGkOX2m5A

you can see in To the left at 4:26.

Ichigo  is also able to cut through dimensions(like gotenks ssj3 just in bankai...)

https://images.app.goo.gl/We9xe333uHHLheVA8

Ichigo killing Yhwach also means he is capable of killing immortal characters (like Kaguya and her ilk), as Yhwach was able to rewrite futures where he'd died. You may account the arrow for allowing Ichigo to kill Yhwach, but the arrow's effect only lasts for an instant, and Uryu thus noted that the arrow was useless.

SPEED:

In the infamous Ichigo vs Byakuya battle, Ichigo cut through all of Byakuya's Senbon Zakura petals.

Senbon Zakura contains billions of the blades (the plural obviously denotes multiple billions, but in this case it's lowballed to 2 billion).

The official guidebook states that Ichigo and Byakuya were moving at lightning speeds, but this was before Byakuya increased the speed of the petals.

Quote, "Like lightning, Ichigo pressures Byakuya with god-like speed and attacks him at close range!"

In the anime, Byakuya states that he increased the petal speeds by 2x. But in the manga, he says he increased it 3-fold (or the speed of lightning to the power of 3 times.)

In the end, cutting through all of these petals this gives Ichigo a speed of over 3 quadrillions (3e+16) times faster than the speed of light.

This isn't an outlier, as the characters get faster over the course of the series. Ulquiorra was able to deflect Uryu's Licht Regen (Light Rain), which covered a huge amount of space with millions to billions of lightspeed arrows.

Also, Ichigo in full hollow mode was able to react and counter the Black Cero with a blast of his own, then speed behind Ulquiorra (a person fast enough to block Uryu's lightspeed arrows) to rip his arm off casually.

And again, Aizen's Black Coffin. In a black hole, time basically "stops". So, faster than instant speeds? No.

He's speed is beyond comprehension because aizen said the hado 90 warp space time to such an extent that he cannot understand.

https://images.app.goo.gl/RJCZtGojtZNBq5jn7

And then he gets FASTER, from when he fought Yhwach. Due to him being able to react to every event that could ever happen across an infinite number of future timelines at the same time, in an instant and change them as he desires.

https://bleach.fandom.com/wiki/The_Almighty

Basically, Ichigo's speed is nigh Omniprescence.

DURABILITY:

Again, Aizen's Black Coffin. black holes have the power to crush the earth into a golfball, and Ichigo withstood it VERY EASLY!

Also, he's tanked blows from Ulquiorra who can slice through dimensions, and could fight Yhwach, who had enough power to destroy the human realm and soul society. Two universes.

Proof that the soul society the hueco mundo and that the human world are in separate dimensions and there and that they are universes:

https://images.app.goo.gl/vB7csU3gAUvKZrg38

Here we see Gremmy opening a portal from the soul society and we can see stars and galaxies.

These links prove that the hueco mundo and the other dimensions are separate and the last three scans we see yhwach saying "I will destroy EVERYTHING and recreate EVERYTHING.

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"THE COLLAPSE OF THE UNIVERSE!

In addition Yhwach saying that he has to destroy or take and we know that the muken is a dimension that extends to infinity In the Chapter 523!

https://bleach.fandom.com/fr/wiki/Grande_Prison_Souterraine_Centrale

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https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11131/111314894/5776607-proof.png

https://images.app.goo.gl/xaGQoBsRPaA3xipZ7

https://images.app.goo.gl/96tF647SZYMScsaH9

https://images.app.goo.gl/55GayxcCYpybskqe7

ENERGY :

It's not an outlier, because Menos Grandes can shoot beams of light through hollow realm into the soul society to retrieve Aizen,

Ichigo shot through the dimensional barriers from Hueco Mundo to Los Noches

Ichigo also shot through the Gates of Hell (Hellverse movie is canon?)Yes.

Also, when Ichigo turned into Mugetsu, he became literally Getsuga Tensho; the "Piercer of Heaven."

And again, his power is onpar with Yhwach who can destroy two universes.

And finally it is said that Soul King is almost omnipotent and omniscient and we know that Yhwach there absorbed what makes Yhwach's Almighty is increased exponentially and Ichigo was able to face it and even to cut  it.

https://bleachmedia.fandom.com/wiki/Soul_King 

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I know you are going to insult me ​​but when we say that Kaguya can destroy a dimension we prove it with the manga's declarations but when Yhwach and Uriyu say that Yhwach is omnipotent and omniscient we call it a bleachtard.

https://images.app.goo.gl/yiWrsHfxskVZjyao9

https://images.app.goo.gl/dgYjC2xNdofGA3769

Donc voilà ichigo minimum multi galaxy to universal+ ans mftl+

Wonder what an updated version of this would look like...

@jeepeh: Yo, neat RT here, make updates on TYBW Anime next.

Haha.

That would take quite a while, I would have to redo a lot of this stuff here. Maybe one day.

If I had to update it, a lot of things would change.

I would argue characters (any and all captains) to be Lightspeed based on even Lieutenants dodging the light from neggaccion (when Aizen left SS). Plus the sternritter (the weaker ones too) half of them dodged Juha's light from Auschwhalen. Plus the travelling between RR and Seireitei, As well as, literally between panels, we see Rukia bust the wall on Aeronierro, and he manages to dodge before the light from the hole hits him, his face is even in darkness in the panel of his reaction shot after the whole is blown open.

We would have to include a lot of stuff for Juha,

Oh god, the Multiversal (Multi-Planetary minimum) Squad 0 would be a headache to argue for, though I think the internet climate has calmed down with Bleach in recent years. The fact that characters empowered by the Soul King are multi planetary makes the Soul King Candidates like Ichigo and Juha even STRONGER.

I still can't deal with the fact people say Espada are town-city level.

3. I don't think Chojiro's Bankai increases his speed, that was never my intention. I merely meant to implicate that that speed was normal for lieutenant to Captain level characters. Nowadays I would argue for lightspeed captains.

5. I've changed my mind on a lot of this, I'm willing to bet you have as well, given 5 years ago, but I was just tagged and caught up on some of these comments. Since you actually put in the effort to break down a reply, I will as well. But in reality I think Kubo is just really bad at including any kind of science into the series. On one hand we have a Candice injuring Kenpachi, the guy that blows apart 300 mile wide meteors (he was weakened but still) and then it turns around and one of her lightning bolts from her actual bow is only comparable to a gigajoule (the amount of energy used when a barrel of oil is burned?)

Nowadays I would argue characters (any and all captains) to be Lightspeed based on even Lieutenants dodging the light from neggaccion (when Aizen left SS). Plus the sternritter (the weaker ones too) half of them dodged Juha's light from Auschwhalen. Plus the travelling between RR and Seireitei, As well as, literally between panels, we see Rukia bust the wall on Aeronierro, and he manages to dodge before the light from the hole hits him, his face is even in darkness in the panel of his reaction shot after the whole is blown open IIRC. I don't have time to dig up the panels at the moment.

6-7. Bleach has always been wonky with AP vs DC. Ichigo can injure Aizen in FKT, the same Aizen that walked about of a Sacrificial Hado 96 from Yamamoto that dwarfed the city block without Injury, yet the Getsuga Tenshou that did it only cleaved a single small building.

Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero warped space, but it didn't damage anything and the explosion was barely the size of a skyscraper.

Monster Aizen's Fraggor was smaller than Ulquiorra's Lanza, but Ulquiorra's Lanza would not have hurt Dangai Ichigo.

Also, a city doesn't take 3 days to walk a fraction of its diameter. Just because Kubo wants you to see where Ichigo and Ulquiorra are for establishing reference doesn't make the statements from earlier less valid. The same applies to Sogyoku hill. I shouldn't be nearly as visible as it is, nor should we see entire buildings in its shot, but yet hundreds or thousands of soul reaper, and 30 sternritter plus over 20 captain level characters can have enormous battles without any of them even seeing each other unless they're specifically searching half of the time.

A lot more planetary and lightspeed talk, that's for sure.

Not too long ago a made thread explaining why aizens ultrafragor is stronger than a least 13 lanza del relampago put together, (the thread: comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/despite-the-bleach-databooks-statement-ultrafragor-2325837/) but heres what I said "if vasto lorde ichigo no sold one lanza despite being at less half power (he only had half his uniform). then full robe vasto lorde ichigo no sells a blast which equals at least 2 lanza. but fragor actually dealt an injury to dangai ichigo whos above vasto lorde anyway. that means 1 fragor = at least 2 lanza. and that means the 6 fragor of ultrafragor = at least 12 lanza.

" thought this could be relevant. A single lanza was small country based on on-panel feats let alone AP, so a lowball here (multiplying by 13) gets you to large country. Ichigo casually deflected ultrafragor wth a normal strike leave alone his mugetsu which could be large country+ (obviously it's beyond that but im just talking about stricktly on panel feats)