Beyond omnipotence is real!

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#1 Edited by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

When you sit down to think of the idea of omnipotence you might get a thought about if something like beyond omnipotence exist and to sadly break you the truth when you say beyond omnipotence and the word exists its absolutely okay that 99 percent of the people will say no because that's how we actually know it exists, its a level not just 2 times stronger than what is unlimited and absolute not 3 times stronger but infinite times stronger. A concept of beyond omnipotence isn't the idea of having beyond infinite amount of power but its the idea of being able to use that infinite amount of power without actually using it. or being non existing force that exists.

Omnipotent actually do have their own limits and their not 100 percent flawless and here is why. Lets say you actually met a being who was omnipotent and he could do anything! Lets say you told him that you wanted him to kill someone without killing them or doing anything. Ofcourse the omnipotent could rewrite your request or perhaps kill someone by not killing them actually. You can call that defying logic. But the problem there you see is that any request an omnipotent hears from you he/she will have to act even if it requires near to non action. Therefore they are forced to break that condition that you told them that they are not allowed to do anything.

Crazy as this seems its perfectly acceptable to call this BS because we are talking about something that even an omniscient being will not know about. He might of course have our ideas but his BS detector will know that its not real because his BS detector doesn't work on the same frequency of non existence. Beyond omnipotent is a concept that does even exists ,its concept where moving pendelen can be considered a moving pendelen even when it stops moving.

Just like us humans who cannot move at speed of light or beyond. omnipotent face the similar issue when it comes to what is how little much do i need to act to be able to grant myself something. Ofcourse omnipotent could grant anything just by thinking but even thinking is part of mental action.

There reason why omnipotent do not understand the concept of beyond omnipotence which is not a right word to call it ofcourse is because their will is bound by actions. And their knowledge is bound by existence and omnipotent laws.

Someone who is beyond omnipotent would be soo powerful that not only the person who is omnipotent would not even be able to understand such a concept of existence and knowledge that person who is beyond omnipotent couldn't even be considered a person, is almost like a non existence, something that is not real or cannot exist. And the whole idea of it not being real or not existing is what actually makes it soo powerful.

Better summarized statement bellow

The whole idea of beyond omnipotent is not having beyond unlimited amount of power but being able to do something without actually doing it, While omnipotent require little to no actions to do something, the person who is beyond omnipotent will require no physical or mental action to do something. We actually cant even imagine this type of concept but neither can someone who is omnipotent, but like i said they can obviously to think of it as we are if not farther but they will not know the answer as its beyond even omniscience.

If you read all this and understand the philosophy of beyond omnipotence then you would understand that the title of this thread should have been Beyond Omnipotence is fake because for us this this type of concept is outside the whole idea of absolute knowledge.

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#2 Posted by RisingBean (9906 posts) - - Show Bio

The preceding was brought to you as a PSA from the "Don't Do Drugs Foundation."

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#3 Posted by kyrees (13595 posts) - - Show Bio

now "non action" is considered beyond omnipotent then ?

might as well say cheese is beyond omnipotent then

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#4 Posted by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@risingbean: The more you deny the more this theory is just right. So please continue to do it.

And no i dont do drugs.

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#5 Posted by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees: Its really about how much effort you need to grand yourself something. Someone whos omnipotent could grand himself some icecream with 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of his effort or action but someone who is beyond omnipotent would need literaly 0% effort or action because he is not someone and he can grand himself ice cream even when he doesn't want to grand himself ice cream because its just beyond the concept of self will.

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#6 Posted by MaZeRaIII (4725 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course it is real,Lord Itachi wields that power,Batman wields it,Chuck Norris is beyond that,Squirrel Girl wields it.

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#7 Posted by The_Caped_Crusader (10533 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course it is real,Lord Itachi wields that power,Batman wields it,Chuck Norris is beyond that,Squirrel Girl wields it.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else you mentioned.

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#8 Posted by Speedster101 (2984 posts) - - Show Bio

Bugs bunny bro.

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#9 Posted by Thekillerklok (10243 posts) - - Show Bio
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#10 Posted by MasterKungFu (20773 posts) - - Show Bio

good to know

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#11 Posted by midnightdragon18 (9871 posts) - - Show Bio

Too long didn't read.

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#12 Posted by lettsplay10 (20589 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is above even that

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#13 Posted by MaZeRaIII (4725 posts) - - Show Bio

@mazeraiii said:

Of course it is real,Lord Itachi wields that power,Batman wields it,Chuck Norris is beyond that,Squirrel Girl wields it.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else you mentioned.

Chuck Norris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Itachi.

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#14 Edited by The_Caped_Crusader (10533 posts) - - Show Bio

@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:

Of course it is real,Lord Itachi wields that power,Batman wields it,Chuck Norris is beyond that,Squirrel Girl wields it.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else you mentioned.

Chuck Norris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Itachi.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Itachi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuck Norris

Seriously don't compare this redneck with Batman. He's not on his level.

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#15 Posted by cameron83 (8548 posts) - - Show Bio

The preceding was brought to you as a PSA from the "Don't Do Drugs Foundation."

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#16 Posted by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@mazeraiii:

no they dont because they all exist. their not even omnipotent let alone beyond.

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#17 Posted by Avatar_of_Green (3214 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm all into science and philosophy, went to college for it, and I'm absolutely lost by what you mean. You're arguing semantics.

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#18 Edited by MaZeRaIII (4725 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:

Of course it is real,Lord Itachi wields that power,Batman wields it,Chuck Norris is beyond that,Squirrel Girl wields it.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else you mentioned.

Chuck Norris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Itachi.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Itachi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuck Norris

Seriously don't compare this redneck with Batman. He's not on his level.

Chuck stomps Batman,easily. :)

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#19 Edited by The_Caped_Crusader (10533 posts) - - Show Bio

@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:

Of course it is real,Lord Itachi wields that power,Batman wields it,Chuck Norris is beyond that,Squirrel Girl wields it.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else you mentioned.

Chuck Norris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Itachi.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Itachi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuck Norris

Seriously don't compare this redneck with Batman. He's not on his level.

Chuch stomps Batman,easily. :)

In your dreams. :)

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#20 Posted by MaZeRaIII (4725 posts) - - Show Bio

@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:

Of course it is real,Lord Itachi wields that power,Batman wields it,Chuck Norris is beyond that,Squirrel Girl wields it.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else you mentioned.

Chuck Norris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Itachi.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Itachi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuck Norris

Seriously don't compare this redneck with Batman. He's not on his level.

Chuch stomps Batman,easily. :)

In your dreams. :)

In reality. :D
Batman only can win in his dreams,yet that dreams will becomes nightmares,CHUCKMARES.

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#21 Posted by The_Caped_Crusader (10533 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:

Of course it is real,Lord Itachi wields that power,Batman wields it,Chuck Norris is beyond that,Squirrel Girl wields it.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else you mentioned.

Chuck Norris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Itachi.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Itachi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuck Norris

Seriously don't compare this redneck with Batman. He's not on his level.

Chuch stomps Batman,easily. :)

In your dreams. :)

In reality. :D

Batman only can win in his dreams,yet that dreams will becomes nightmares,CHUCKMARES.

Nope, in your dream. :D

BRUCE Lee stomped Redneck Norris.
Bruce is Chuck's kryptonite.

Bruce Wayne > Chuck Norris.

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#22 Posted by joshmightbe (27562 posts) - - Show Bio

Omnipotence literally means all powerful, it means you have all the power, how can anything be more powerful than all the power?

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#23 Posted by MaZeRaIII (4725 posts) - - Show Bio

@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:

Of course it is real,Lord Itachi wields that power,Batman wields it,Chuck Norris is beyond that,Squirrel Girl wields it.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else you mentioned.

Chuck Norris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Itachi.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Itachi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuck Norris

Seriously don't compare this redneck with Batman. He's not on his level.

Chuch stomps Batman,easily. :)

In your dreams. :)

In reality. :D

Batman only can win in his dreams,yet that dreams will becomes nightmares,CHUCKMARES.

Nope, in your dream. :D

BRUCE Lee stomped Redneck Norris.

Bruce is Chuck's kryptonite.

Bruce Wayne > Chuck Norris.

Chuck let himself lose,becasue he was bored. :D
Chuck stomps Batman.
Joker rofled Batman.
Chuck > Joker > Batman.

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#24 Edited by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

dont you guys understand what i mean? omnipotent exist in plane of reality where they have absolute power and nothing can be stronger than them. Beyond omnipotent exist in a plane of non reality, in a plane that cannot be even a place, nothing exists, nothing can create memory, nothing can understand and place where even concepts dont exist. Someone who is beyond omnipotent cant even be someone, it cannot be a person it something that doesn't even exists.

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#25 Edited by The_Caped_Crusader (10533 posts) - - Show Bio

@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:
@the_caped_crusader said:
@mazeraiii said:

Of course it is real,Lord Itachi wields that power,Batman wields it,Chuck Norris is beyond that,Squirrel Girl wields it.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else you mentioned.

Chuck Norris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lord Itachi.

Batman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Squirrel Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Itachi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuck Norris

Seriously don't compare this redneck with Batman. He's not on his level.

Chuch stomps Batman,easily. :)

In your dreams. :)

In reality. :D

Batman only can win in his dreams,yet that dreams will becomes nightmares,CHUCKMARES.

Nope, in your dream. :D

BRUCE Lee stomped Redneck Norris.

Bruce is Chuck's kryptonite.

Bruce Wayne > Chuck Norris.

Chuck let himself lose,becasue he was bored. :D

Chuck stomps Batman.

Joker rofled Batman.

Chuck > Joker > Batman.

Chuck is a coward who has no feats to back up his statements/hype.

Batman batkicked the Spectre.

Batman > Chuck Norris.

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#26 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how that's beyond omnipotence, true omnipotence already covers everything.

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#27 Posted by buttersdaman000 (23229 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how that's beyond omnipotence, true omnipotence already covers everything.

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#28 Posted by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1:

Like I said problem is not having more infinite power, but its being able to use that power with the least amount of effort!

Someone who is omnipotent needs atleast slightest amount of effort to create something. If you were to ask him to kill someone without them doing anything, how could they kill someone without actually breaking that condition in where their not allowed to do anything? Its like moving at near light speed but you can never reach that full speed of light because it requires infinite amount of power same with being able to kill someone without actually doing it. Is it possible to think of something without thinking of it? nope

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#29 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (12493 posts) - - Show Bio

I already achieved it

~MiB

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#30 Posted by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_caped_crusader:

stop with this chuck norris bullshit, i want to have an intellegent conversation and you guys just killing it. your not welcome here!!!

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#31 Posted by Skit (5292 posts) - - Show Bio

Omnipotent being would be infinite beyond conceivable ways, there's no better to something that is. They wouldn't need to think because they aren't limited in the ways humanity is.

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#32 Edited by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@skit: But how do they know something? thru omniscience right? thats why im saying they dont think. all their knowledge source comes from omniscience. Thats why they would know that something beyond omnipotent physically cannot exist, they wouldn't actually know about because they don't think about things that dont exist ;)

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#33 Posted by The_Caped_Crusader (10533 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_caped_crusader:

stop with this chuck norris bullshit, i want to have an intellegent conversation and you guys just killing it. your not welcome here!!!

You tagged the wrong person. It was @mazeraiii who kept wanking Chuck Norris.

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#34 Posted by Beholdy (330 posts) - - Show Bio

There is nothing beyond omnipotence

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#35 Edited by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@beholdy: exactly you just said nothing is beyond omnipotence which means what?

nothing= beyond omnipotent ;)

or

nothingomnipotent is infinite times stronger than omnipotent!

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#36 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1:

Like I said problem is not having more infinite power, but its being able to use that power with the least amount of effort!

Someone who is omnipotent needs atleast slightest amount of effort to create something. If you were to ask him to kill someone without them doing anything, how could they kill someone without actually breaking that condition in where their not allowed to do anything? Its like moving at near light speed but you can never reach that full speed of light because it requires infinite amount of power same with being able to kill someone without actually doing it. Is it possible to think of something without thinking of it? nope

Why is that? Being omnipotent, he can also do anything and everything without the slightest amount of effort.

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#37 Edited by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: But he still has to do it! Even if it means mentally or physically with little to almost none effort or action. The person who is omnipotent would have to chose if he wants to do something. choosing also requires effort.

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#38 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: But he still has to do it! Even if it means mentally or physically with little to almost none effort or action. The person who is omnipotent would have to chose if he wants to do something. choosing also requires effort.

Why? He can do the task without doing it, or anything - omnipotence.

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#39 Posted by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: You dont understand. Omnipotent have indomitable will to be able to make choice if they want to do something or not. they have to make a decision, otherwise anything you could tell them to do they would have to listen to you and do it!

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#40 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: You dont understand. Omnipotent have indomitable will to be able to make choice if they want to do something or not. they have to make a decision, otherwise anything you could tell them to do they would have to listen to you and do it!

No, they don't. Being omnipotent, they can do the task without making a decision or doing anything at all.

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#41 Posted by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: But they have to break that condition where it states that their not allowed to do anything.

when you tell them to do something without doing anything, they cannot break that condition regardless on how they try. Even if it means doing a task without making a decision or doing anything at all.

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#42 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: But they have to break that condition where it states that their not allowed to do anything.

when you tell them to do something without doing anything, they cannot break that condition regardless on how they try. Even if it means doing a task without making a decision or doing anything at all.

Yes, they can. You're forgetting they're omnipotent in the underlined part.

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#43 Edited by skyroid (2646 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegitossjgod: Nothing is not beyond omnipotent.

No thing is beyond omnipotent

Being omnipotent already covers everything

They CAN choose to do anything and everything effortlessly. There's NO SUCH thing they HAVE TO DO.

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#44 Edited by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: Ofcourse but you were to ask them to attempt to do that task without actually breaking that one condition, would they be able to do it? It will most likely result into a stalemate because they will have to break that condition anyway.

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#45 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: Ofcourse but you were to ask them to attempt to do that task without actually breaking that one condition, would they be able to do it?

Yes, that's part and parcel of being omnipotent.

It will most likely result into a stalemate because they will have to break that condition anyway.

Huh, they can keep the condition intact and still accomplish.

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#46 Edited by Vegitossjgod (164 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: But can they keep the condition and accomplish it without accomplishing it? like you said they still need to accomplish it, So nothing changes here, my theory still makes sense.

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#47 Posted by Shadowchaos (1196 posts) - - Show Bio

Sounds like suggsverse. Which means I pass

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#48 Edited by ChaosKnight75 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

How's it going, Suggs? It's been a while.

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#49 Edited by sentry4 (968 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegitossjgod: It sounds like you're saying the only way to be beyond all powerful is to not have to do anything to get something. Yet, the only way this is possible is if nothing exists to want, because, even the act of wanting something takes some amount of energy to do. So it's sort of like the 'ignorance is bliss' argument, but for existence. So you're arguing the only way to be beyond all powerful is to not-exist in a plane that has nothing existing in it, because there is already everything you could ever, and would never, want. Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting this.

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#50 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@vegitossjgod:

"But can they keep the condition and accomplish it without accomplishing it?"

Yes - omnipotence.

"like you said they still need to accomplish it,"

No, they don't need to do anything - omnipotence.

"So nothing changes here, my theory still makes sense."

I see no reason it makes sense, though.