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Posted by TonyMartial (9784 posts) 2 months, 20 days ago

Poll: Better movie - Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman (192 votes)

Captain Marvel 26%
Wonder Woman 74%
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#1 Posted by CyberpunkCop (3406 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Marvel i didn't care much for Wonder Woman

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#2 Posted by AtmExle (591 posts) - - Show Bio

WW is better. Not by much though.

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#3 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

CM.

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#4 Posted by tensor (8505 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman

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#6 Posted by Darkthunder (2833 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap marvel

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#7 Posted by bleidd (235 posts) - - Show Bio

Haven't seen Captain Marvel yet, but Wonder Woman, IMO, is one of the best superhero movies of the decade along with The Winter Soldier and Infinity War, with TWS being my favorite, followed by IW and then WW. I doubt CM is going to be better. However, I'll abstain from voting until I see the movie.

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#8 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (7559 posts) - - Show Bio

WW is probably a better movie in terms of quality but Captain Marvel looks like it will be better for people 12 and under

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#10 Posted by GXrevs06 (4781 posts) - - Show Bio

WW and it is not even close

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#11 Posted by TheAmazingSpidey (17675 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent41 said:

@theamazingspidey What do you think?

Thanks for the tag homie :D

OP: It says a lot about the quality of both films that even though Captain Marvel is fresh in my mind, and even though I've seen Wonder Woman at least 3 times, I still think WW is the better movie. If the movie is good enough, recency bias will give the latest movie the edge, but I honestly feel WW was better than CM by quite a significant margin. WW felt fresh and powerful in it's optimism, and inspired me in a way I hadn't been moved by a superhero movie in a long time. When I left WW, I felt like I could take on the entire world. I felt like I had the capacity to do good, and felt like I wanted to do good." When I left CM, I felt "well, that was a decent time at the movies!" One had a much stronger impact than the other.

Here is my review for Captain Marvel, and here is my review for Wonder Woman for comparison.

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#12 Posted by Supermanthor (20449 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor Ragnarok

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#13 Posted by deactivated-5cc073360931e (791 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Marvel by far

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#14 Posted by WhyZoSerious (1789 posts) - - Show Bio

Could't you have just waited one more week? Now the DCEU fanboys voting 1's and WW and the MCU fanboys voting 10s and CM without even watching the bloody film.

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#15 Posted by MrClarky1 (218 posts) - - Show Bio

@bleidd: pretty much this, except I reckon Civil War was better than IW 😊

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@theamazingspidey said:
@agent41 said:

@theamazingspidey What do you think?

Thanks for the tag homie :D

OP: It says a lot about the quality of both films that even though Captain Marvel is fresh in my mind, and even though I've seen Wonder Woman at least 3 times, I still think WW is the better movie. If the movie is good enough, recency bias will give the latest movie the edge, but I honestly feel WW was better than CM by quite a significant margin. WW felt fresh and powerful in it's optimism, and inspired me in a way I hadn't been moved by a superhero movie in a long time. When I left WW, I felt like I could take on the entire world. I felt like I had the capacity to do good, and felt like I wanted to do good." When I left CM, I felt "well, that was a decent time at the movies!" One had a much stronger impact than the other.

Here is my review for Captain Marvel, and here is my review for Wonder Woman for comparison.

Based on your review. I get that cm is an ok movie. And has no epic moment like No Man's Land from Wonder Woman.

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#17 Edited by JimJaspers20675 (281 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Marvel, by far for me. Absolutely loved it. Honestly didn't give a f about WW.

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#18 Edited by agent41 (15705 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman. I connected more with her character, her desire to help making a better world. She was fun, brave, naive, confident and powerful. We saw her learning from a new world, getting hit by a harsh reality that things weren't as simple as she thought they were, yet she didn't give up, didn't lose hope. She still wanted to fight for a better world. Even if the third act could have been better, the film still felt like a true hero in the making story. A story that brought back faith in heroism after many DC movies that focused too much on darkness.

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#19 Posted by RavenVice01 (4444 posts) - - Show Bio

It's probably a little premature for this poll. In my preliminary opinion I would say captain marvel is better because its non stop action and it has an array of recognized characters from captain marvel while wonder woman lacked the fantasy aspect with monsters and gods that could have appeared during WW1

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#20 Posted by King_Krown (1242 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Marvel pretty handily. It's not that WW was bad either.

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#21 Posted by EcstaticGrace (7191 posts) - - Show Bio

I won't see CM until Wednesday 😢

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#22 Posted by ImMadNice (1383 posts) - - Show Bio

I voted before I watched for some reason. Didn’t expect CM to be that great

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#23 Posted by godzilla44 (7460 posts) - - Show Bio

WW for me, CM was good but WW had actual emotion in the movie.

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#24 Posted by PenguinDust (9196 posts) - - Show Bio

I saw CM today. Wonder Woman was better.

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@theamazingspidey: @godzilla44@Penguin-Dust I have to say that imo, cm proves once again that being an oscar winning actor doesn't mean you will be able to top anybody else in any given film. With brie larson, i got the feeling that she was just going through the motion the entire movie. In this movie, her presence felt underwhelming. Like she wasn't interested. Gal Gadot, a model turned actress showed a deeper connection with the character she was playing, and actually felt like she was embracing Wonder Woman.

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#26 Posted by Laurus (1622 posts) - - Show Bio

WW. Not only is it a better movie in it's own right, but I'd back it for nothing else than the fact it isn't a politicized feminist power trip.

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#27 Posted by Gokluma (8809 posts) - - Show Bio

I saw CM and it was just plain boring compared to wonder woman.

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#28 Edited by Jgames (8192 posts) - - Show Bio

WW easily. Despite Wonder Woman being a mary sue, they use that to their advantage. As WW own naivety and belief in good in humanity was contrasted with the evil of humanity. While in Captain Marvel, I never felt that connected to her character. Never did I felt worry because she felt too powerful and never had a moment where I was happy for her learning to control her power or anything. Not to say the movie was not entertaining, or that Brie Larson was awful, but Gal Gadot nail her role. With the WW movie having a vision and being director driven versus Captain Marvel which feel like a formulaic marvel popcorn movie.

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#29 Edited by rem (2742 posts) - - Show Bio

WW in her movie was more of a Mary Sue than CM honestly.

OT: CM definently had its moments but I think WW was the better movie

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#30 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (4941 posts) - - Show Bio

Going to watch CM again to make up my mind.

WW was great the first time I saw it but with each viewing it just gets worse and worse, whereas Ragnarok for me is the opposite lol.

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#31 Posted by godzilla44 (7460 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent41: I understand completely what you mean, Brie is definitely a better actor than Gadot but Gadot gave a better performance as WW compared to Brie's CM.

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#32 Posted by Manchine (6328 posts) - - Show Bio

Easily Wonder Woman

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#33 Posted by Nucleon (3483 posts) - - Show Bio

Going to watch CM again to make up my mind.

WW was great the first time I saw it but with each viewing it just gets worse and worse, whereas Ragnarok for me is the opposite lol.

This. IMO, Wonder Woman was over-rated. Well directed, Gal Gadot did fine but the setting and morality were atrocious.

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@theamazingspidey: @godzilla44@Penguin-Dust I have to say that imo, cm proves once again that being an oscar winning actor doesn't mean you will be able to top anybody else in any given film. With brie larson, i got the feeling that she was just going through the motion the entire movie. In this movie, her presence felt underwhelming. Like she wasn't interested. Gal Gadot, a model turned actress showed a deeper connection with the character she was playing, and actually felt like she was embracing Wonder Woman.

In Larson's defense, even an Oscar winner needs good direction. I didn't feel that she was phoning it in like Jennifer Lawrence in X-Men Apocalypse, but I do believe she didn't know how to approach the character. Should she be more humorous, snarky, dry, or more serious and maybe even stoic? Should she use subtle or distinct facial expressions? How much should she gesticulate? Perhaps the script was largely at fault, but Vers was boring for the greater part of the movie and only toward the end showed signs of becoming somewhat interesting. If anything, the movie left her moving in a direction that I pray the Russo brothers fully expand on. It's sad when every other character in the movie is more entertaining than the "lead" character of a solo superhero movie. I feel I must add that I didn't hate Captain Marvel, it's just that after seeing the movie I feel largely indifferent about it.

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#35 Posted by TheAmazingSpidey (17675 posts) - - Show Bio

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@theamazingspidey: @godzilla44@Penguin-Dust I have to say that imo, cm proves once again that being an oscar winning actor doesn't mean you will be able to top anybody else in any given film. With brie larson, i got the feeling that she was just going through the motion the entire movie. In this movie, her presence felt underwhelming. Like she wasn't interested. Gal Gadot, a model turned actress showed a deeper connection with the character she was playing, and actually felt like she was embracing Wonder Woman.

In Larson's defense, even an Oscar winner needs good direction. I didn't feel that she was phoning it in like Jennifer Lawrence in X-Men Apocalypse, but I do believe she didn't know how to approach the character. Should she be more humorous, snarky, dry, or more serious and maybe even stoic? Should she use subtle or distinct facial expressions? How much should she gesticulate? Perhaps the script was largely at fault, but Vers was boring for the greater part of the movie and only toward the end showed signs of becoming somewhat interesting. If anything, the movie left her moving in a direction that I pray the Russo brothers fully expand on. It's sad when every other character in the movie is more entertaining than the "lead" character of a solo superhero movie. I feel I must add that I didn't hate Captain Marvel, it's just that after seeing the movie I feel largely indifferent about it.

Excellent response. Not sure how much I can expand on it, but I will add one more thing.

Some actors showcase an outstanding amount of range and are able to excel at a variety of roles, but being a great actress isn't always equivalent to being a great fit for every archetype. If you ask most people what Brie Larson's best performances are, it's likely they will tell you Ma in Room, and Grace in Short Term 12. It's no coincidence that in both films, she plays vulnerable and protective characters. Just because she is great at playing vulnerable and protective characters, doesn't mean she'll be great at playing a snarky, prideful character like Carol.

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WW easily. Despite Wonder Woman being a mary sue, they use that to their advantage. As WW own naivety and belief in good in humanity was contrasted with the evil of humanity. While in Captain Marvel, I never felt that connected to her character. Never did I felt worry because she felt too powerful and never had a moment where I was happy for her learning to control her power or anything. Not to say the movie was not entertaining, or that Brie Larson was awful, but Gal Gadot nail her role. With the WW movie having a vision and being director driven versus Captain Marvel which feel like a formulaic marvel popcorn movie.

Are we sure mary sue is the way to call her? WW has flaws after all and she faces obstacles in her ways.

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#37 Posted by agent41 (15705 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon said:
@mr_shazam0920 said:

Going to watch CM again to make up my mind.

WW was great the first time I saw it but with each viewing it just gets worse and worse, whereas Ragnarok for me is the opposite lol.

This. IMO, Wonder Woman was over-rated. Well directed, Gal Gadot did fine but the setting and morality were atrocious.

The third act could have ben better. But imo the great parts in Wonder Woman remain great no matter how many times you watch it. As an origin story, it felt to have more depth and be more cohesive than cm. Also i don't see what's wrong with the morality of the film. But to each their own.

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#38 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (4941 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent41:

Oh yeah dude. No Man’s Land scene is amazing no matter how many times you watch it.

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@agent41:The third act could have ben better. But imo the great parts in Wonder Woman remain great no matter how many times you watch it. As an origin story, it felt to have more depth and be more cohesive than cm. Also i don't see what's wrong with the morality of the film. But to each their own.

WW's humanism didn't seem to extend to WWI Germans, who were by no means nazis, but it did extend to Dr Poison - probably because she was one of 'em wimmin folk. They slurred Ludendorf's name, etc. Standard fare for whoever has been raised in a WASP environment I guess so they don't even notice them anymore.

You think the third act was weak - I think only the first one was strong. The magic disappeared as soon as men appeared. After that, there was nothing too hard for WW who benefitted from just the right amount of PIS to be up to the task, but never did we felt any tension of any kind in the movie.

But like you wrote, to each his own.

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@agent41:The third act could have ben better. But imo the great parts in Wonder Woman remain great no matter how many times you watch it. As an origin story, it felt to have more depth and be more cohesive than cm. Also i don't see what's wrong with the morality of the film. But to each their own.

WW's humanism didn't seem to extend to WWI Germans, who were by no means nazis, but it did extend to Dr Poison - probably because she was one of 'em wimmin folk. They slurred Ludendorf's name, etc. Standard fare for whoever has been raised in a WASP environment I guess so they don't even notice them anymore.

You think the third act was weak - I think only the first one was strong. The magic disappeared as soon as men appeared. After that, there was nothing too hard for WW who benefitted from just the right amount of PIS to be up to the task, but never did we felt any tension of any kind in the movie.

But like you wrote, to each his own.

It was a war and she fought. Didn't you see all the other people involved in that war and how they fought? She thought ludendorff was The God If War, the one she thought was the only one to blame for all the bad things happening, so....

What pis made her be up to the task?

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#41 Posted by Nucleon (3483 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent41: What pis made her be up to the task?

Whatever she needed, she pulled it out of her arse, no matter if it was associated to the character or not. That's why there was no tension whatsoever, and I am being told it's the same in Cap Marvel.

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#42 Posted by RBT (28625 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Marvel is good, but nowhere close to Wonder Woman.

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#43 Posted by Captainplanet (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon: @agent41: @jgames: WW is not a Mary Sue. She could have easily gotten killed by bullets. I was at the edge of my seat during no man's land scene thinking she is going to get killed any movement😱.

B#t#h Captain Mary Sue, on the other hand, would probably won't feel a thing.

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#44 Posted by agent41 (15705 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon said:

@agent41: What pis made her be up to the task?

Whatever she needed, she pulled it out of her arse, no matter if it was associated to the character or not. That's why there was no tension whatsoever, and I am being told it's the same in Cap Marvel.

She was learning and discovering her powers throughout the film. What did she do that wasn't associated with her character? Her powers?, Her magic gear? They are all things associated with her character.

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@nucleon: @agent41: @jgames: WW is not a Mary Sue. She could have easily gotten killed by bullets. I was at the edge of my seat during no man's land scene thinking she is going to get killed any movement😱.

B#t#h Captain Mary Sue, on the other hand, would probably won't feel a thing.

I doubt DCEU WW would die from a bullet. Based on the source material they use. Her susceptibility to bullets is not as big as any human, not even close. Having a healing factor is part of her power set. She has been shot in the chest, abdomen and even shot in the head in the comics and lived and kept fighting.

A character being good or bad should have nothing to do with power level. You can be a normal human and be a poorly writen character. Or a God like being and be a well writen character.

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#46 Posted by Captainplanet (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent41: Director Patty Jenkens herself said Diana will die from Bullets

What Source material did they use?

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#47 Posted by agent41 (15705 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent41: Director Patty Jenkens herself said Diana will die from Bullets

What Source material did they use?

I don't remember her saying that.

They seemed to use n52. Although she never showed to have a susceptible point to bullets in new 52. Rebirth has been shot through vital organs more than once and lived.

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#48 Edited by Captainplanet (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@agent41: Did you watch Captain SJW movie?

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@agent41: Did you watch Captain SJW movie?

Yes and it was a meh movie. Sadly what i suspected was true.

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