Beerus and SSG Goku "Universal" clash

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In episode 13 of DBS, we see the clash between them. The "universal" clash only destroyed planets and didn't even destroy stars. So they go with the narrator's hyperbole statements to wank the feat to universal. Yet planet earth, which was next to them wasn't destroyed. The Shockwave got stronger as it went by. Also, they needed 3 clashes to "destroy" the universe with themselves being also the victim If you put this feat anywhere else DB fanboys would laugh at you for calling it "universal" and point all the flaws. DB fandom is a special type of cancer.

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@herzrts: well in anime the shockwaves are universal, but they don't scale to it

its made clear they got stronger as they traveled and both goku and beerus were going to be completely destroyed by it

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Two clowns again

nope, still no feat above planet level

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DBS multiverse is smaller than our earth. Juza cloud posted a Pic and the whole multiverse was 5 cm >

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ghostwarren is coping too hard with his fodder planet level verse

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No one in DBS besides Zeno can one shot an Universe. Anyonw thinking that is delusional.

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#11  Edited By Debater666899
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Does no one seriously get tired of this?

considering ghostwarren trolls and spams HST vs og master roshi moon bust threads

im just returning the favor and its fun seeing him react

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#17  Edited By BestDebater

I agree, Goku and Beerus shouldn't scale to their own shockwaves 'cause the shockwaves were getting stronger the further away they were and both Goku and Beerus (who's superior to MUI Goku) were going to die from the destruction of the universe, which further proves my point that they don't scale to their "universal" shockwaves, well the shockwaves aren't actually universal either, the Old Kai states specifically that they were going to destroy all the physical matter in the universe, so not the universe itself. Even with all this evidence, people still think they're universal, and in one of the threads I made, the majority claimed that Goku would beat MCU Arishem, a being that made and no-sold the Big Bang.

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DB has feats above planet lvl:

  • 1) have the one in the show when Beerus was fighting Goku (Though a lot of people who debate against DBS don't agree with it.)
  • 2) You have Gogeta and Broly clash which broke the dimension ( In the light Novel is is explained that the universe could handle their power and they ended up breaking through reality and being transported to another dimension.)
  • 3)You have plenty of statements of Beerus being capable of destroying the universe.
  • 4)Zeno literally destroy a universe.
  • 5) Moro was going to blow up the galaxy stated by Whis.
  • 6) Jiren Powering up shook the void. ( I don't believe it's infinite but it's still an impressive feat.

Those are all the canon ones I can think of from the top of my head (Xeno goku and CC Goku are obviously multiversal so there's no need to talk about that.) and I'm pretty sure there's more. Other than potential destruction that was prevented, they never actually destroyed a universe (Beside Zeno). The problem is DB relies heavily on scaling that actual feats being performed and I can agree that they are inconsistent but saying that they are just planetary (With the exception of Zeno) is just wrong. I understand the DB Community are sometimes annoying but what community is perfect?

I'm not saying Goku is Universal, But I'm also not going to say they're Only Planet busters. It makes no sense for them to be planetary early in Z, then grow in power multiple times, just for them to remain Planetary. AP exist for the sole purpose of scaling characters who haven't shown the DC another character has shown. I Believe they're (Goku and Vegeta Mainly) above planetary at least, but any less is just Downplay at this point.

I agree with you, DBS characters are 100% above planetary. Whis stated that Beerus destroyed a star, so planetary is lowball, but on the other hand, they aren't universal either. The only supposed universal feat they have can easily be debunked and as you said Planet Moro exploding was only going to destroy the galaxy and Planet Moro is more powerful than Angel Moro, who's practically equal with MUI Goku.

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@bestdebater: lol that was debunked by gelato exotic who explained it was a mistranslation. Moro explosion was going to wipe out universe 6 and 7. So you're doing nothing here

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Ssg goku still universal+. Trash downplayers again.

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#21  Edited By BestDebater
@epicraptorman said:

@bestdebater: lol that was debunked by gelato exotic who explained it was a mistranslation. Moro explosion was going to wipe out universe 6 and 7. So you're doing nothing here

I need proof to believe that, lol. Without proof I'm obviously going to take manga translators' word over your word.

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@areneacaulem:

DB has feats above planet lvl:

I agree, like beerus destroying the sun once, which counts as a feat since it happened

https://imgur.com/a/AA9SRdQ

You have Gogeta and Broly clash which broke the dimension ( In the light Novel is is explained that the universe could handle their power and they ended up breaking through reality and being transported to another dimension.)

this feat as far as I know is unquantifiable, if you can find that scan that would be a gamechanger though, I would possibly change my mind

You have plenty of statements of Beerus being capable of destroying the universe

which have no real timeframe when first stated, its equivalent to universal buu and universal cell

https://imgur.com/a/7YCTjz6

DB overuses the term destroy universe a lot

we are actually given context to how he does it(keep in mind im talking about dbs anime, as well as dbz manga and kai specifically)

the shockwaves were created from their fist clash, which became even stronger than they did, to the point that it would destroy the entire universe

https://imgur.com/a/T0ZmbgZ

whis himself stated he couldn't stop such power

https://imgur.com/a/AyeeiQT

whis and beerus themselves didn't think they were capable of such destruction

they thought they were multi-planet level

https://imgur.com/a/OmR3Xvv

GoDs seem to be capable of destroying universe, like beerus and champa fight, but it doesn't really scale to their power it seems to be a side affect them that would kill them as well, we see it visually

they are GoDs and they have the power to destroy

Zeno literally destroy a universe.

yup, but when I said that im always excluding zeno

Moro was going to blow up the galaxy stated by Whis.

yeah but that's the DBS manga, I'm talking about anime

all scans ive shown are anime

dbs manga is a different canon that I don't even care about since its terrible in my opinion and has trash anti feats like building level, rock level, wall level, lava level, etc

Jiren Powering up shook the void. ( I don't believe it's infinite but it's still an impressive feat.

unquantifiable

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Ssg goku still universal+. Trash downplayers again.

still no feats ghostwarren, enjoy your planet level goku

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These ancient args from 2016 really tilt me

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Ssg goku still universal+. Trash downplayers again.

Goku and Beerus don't scale to the "universal" shockwaves (they were actually only gonna destroy all the physical matter in the universe, not the universe itself) since they get more powerful the further away they are and both Goku and Beerus were gonna die at the end. Also, to be considered universal, you have to actually be able to one-shot the universe, so even if they did scale to their shockwaves and the shockwaves were actually universal, they still wouldn't be considered universal, lol.

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These ancient args from 2016 really tilt me

They are valid arguments though.

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Ssg still universal

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I know he's supposed to be trolling but...

@herzrts said:

Also, they needed 3 clashes to "destroy" the universe with themselves being also the victim If you put this feat anywhere else DB fanboys would laugh at you for calling it "universal" and point all the flaws.

I see no lies here

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@bestdebater: you and the other guy are nothing but butthurt about everything db with your trash posts.

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Goku is multiversal .

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@darkeryoda: only xeno goku. You might upset the trolls if you say that .

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@bestdebater: he just said canon goku is Multiversal which I disagreed with. So you can please use common sense for once clown.

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@epicraptorman: hey ghostwarren

why do you simp so much for your elephant level character?

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#44  Edited By Debater666899

@areneacaulem: the reason I say its unquantifiable is because we don't even know how strong do you have to even be to enter that dimension, we don't even know what it is or how it was caused and it seems to be an inverse thing

there's a reason many people don't even use it, because its impossible accurately get a tier from it

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@bestdebater: he just said canon goku is Multiversal which I disagreed with. So you can please use common sense for once clown.

Don't play dumb now, lol.

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@areneacaulem: you're debating with a guy who thinks dbs planet level. His word means nothing

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