BATMAN vs IRON MAN agree or disagree??

This isnt so much bout would win, but more along the lines to agree with what I said... 
 
So at work some non comic book fans, casual admirers of both character get into a spirited debate over who wins 
"Batman is a wuss, he has a cool car and a butler, tony is rich and gets lots of girls" blah blah blah 
 
So they come to me as a tie breaker..I take a deep breath and respond 
" In most cases, in their first encounter Iron Man would prove to be the victor. Yes Batman would kick Tony Starks ass, but we are talking about the Iron Man suit...and given enough juice, Tony can do just about anything. 
So good chance Batman would be beaten by some long range artillery and call it a day. " 
 
That was met with "Ha I told you so, Iron man would fry his batt butt" 
 
I took another sigh and then said 
"HOWEVER...if in fact there was a rematch Batman would own his butt!" 
To which I get a shocked and somewhat offended response of WHY?? 
 
I then say 
"Gadgets. Batman is only as good as the items he carries. The fact is he might not be equipped to combat Iron Man one on one after a first time meeting. But what makes Batman so dangerous, he'll devolp a item SPECIFICALLY to beat you AND has no problem "stealing" your tech to do so." 
 
 
At that point they walked away, and someone says "Spider-man would kick both their butts" 
 
 I sighed again...and shook my head 
 
So what do you think? Did I school the youngin's correctly and provide sound knowledge?
 

 That is the general consensus about Batman. Give him time and the right tools he would kick anyons ass. Darksied is an example.

" You schooled him. As far   Iron man vs Spiderman In the civil war Iron Man programs his suit to fuck with spiderman's spidey-sense, it gives of false impressions and can make Spiderman see a false Iron Man. Now Batman vs Spiderman I am not really sure. "

well thats true but it kind of bores me I like batman

I think Stark may just have the upper hand, but only just mind.

Anti-Iron Man spray don't fail me now :)

iron man

Batman, probably inside of 5 minutes if he got the jump on Iron Man. Under a minute if Tony Stark isn't in his suit...

Who said there needs to be or would be a second round? Talk about assumptions. 
 
Iron Man wins. 
 
amazingly enough, Tony Stark is more believable as a human being than Batman. and he wins.

Batman ALWAYS wins the rematch. Hell, most of the time he gets captured, but he wins in the end because he figures out how to win. I can see either one winning the first round, to be honest. In a "fair" fight, either one can claim victory. Depends on the scenario, the writer, and who is caring what on them.

honestly depends because in a straight on battle iron man would win but if batman had time to get to know iron man he would definitely win hands down

batman rocks

"Who said there needs to be or would be a second round? Talk about assumptions.  Iron Man wins.  amazingly enough, Tony Stark is more believable as a human being than Batman. and he wins. "

batman via outsmarting iron man

Batman. 
He will have some kind of anti-stark inventions thing and basically f*ck up starks suit. then owning him. that utility belt has everything.

Bat-Ironman-repellent?
 
TBH I give this to Batman in both cases.. unless you throw them into an arena and say FIGHT when they first met (which may be what you mean, in which case I totally agree)
Everyone knows Tony Stark is Ironman.. and the sneaky ninja that Batman is he could easily catch him not wearing the suit.. while banging some model, in which case Stark would need to surrender immediately.
I'd say there is also the fact there's a good chance Batman would watch him for some time before even showing himself.

Well I do agree with you onyx in the facts that Ironman will first of easily defeat batman, and in a case of a 2nd round batman would be able to make a comeback, but if we are to assume that, I believe that in a 3rd fight Ironman would be the one to win again as you should not forget what sort of genius Stark is, he is a genius of weapons against someone like Batman who is very dependent on his weapons he would most likely find a way to counter his counter. As both these characters are equally matched in intelligent, maybe not in the same categorise, it would be a back fourth sort of situation as both are masters of technology and weapons the only real difference is that Ironman has the more powerful suit and weapons but Batman has the more cunning strategies, so overall it would be a tie sort of situation but excluding the rematches Ironman wins the first and most important fight by miles.  

Iron Man would always win 

I completely agree with you.

" @hdorman1: In the dark knight returns he builds a suit capable of pretty much kicking superman around, even without kryptonite... only he has a heart attack :/ "

He will create a Iron Man suit, then Iron Man sill have no chance to win.
Batman is smarter in this thing that Iron Man, Iron Man could cdreate thing,  but Batman know how to play with the mind of people, he will create a plan and will find a weak point in Iron Man, and will do what he know best, destroy the other guy.

Iron Man would win hands down.. The only way Batman has a chance is if he gets him out the suit. I dont know why all you bat fans think batman is god or something..

Batman can just pull a Cap America and make his suit crap out on him, then take him out while the suit is useless. Batman always carries at least some form of EMP device, so it's not unreasonable. 
 
And didn't he build a bat-suit similar to the iron-man suit once? And I remember his battle suit in Kingdom Come being able to let him take on Wonder Woman in their brief battle.

batman would make a better villian too dangerous and too paranoid  and too good of a fighter to be a superhero.

Batman is far more intelligent and a better strategist. He would escape, then come back and destroy Iron Man.

" Well I do agree with you onyx in the facts that Ironman will first of easily defeat batman, and in a case of a 2nd round batman would be able to make a comeback, but if we are to assume that, I believe that in a 3rd fight Ironman would be the one to win again as you should not forget what sort of genius Stark is, he is a genius of weapons against someone like Batman who is very dependent on his weapons he would most likely find a way to counter his counter. As both these characters are equally matched in intelligent, maybe not in the same categorise, it would be a back fourth sort of situation as both are masters of technology and weapons the only real difference is that Ironman has the more powerful suit and weapons but Batman has the more cunning strategies, so overall it would be a tie sort of situation but excluding the rematches Ironman wins the first and most important fight by miles.   "

Batman would win.He has fought and defeated people far stronger and more intelligent than spiderman and iron man combined

batman with prep = win
 
let it be carved in stone

Yep, the OP has it right. That's exactly how it would go.

" Anti-Iron Man spray don't fail me now :) "

In Bruce Wayne - The road home Batman builds a suit that essentially combines most of the powers of the DC metahumans and that suit would obliterate the ironman suit no problem. In fact all he'd need is its speed. The only issue is its power usage but that's irrelevant since he'd be done with Ironman quickly then he'd just nick ironmans power thingy. 
 
in short batman wins because he's probably the smartest hero out there regardless of all the "genius level intellects" that are out there - plus he's human which is why we love him. 
 
unlike the F*cking Hulk and his "infinite energy". I mean what kinda of nonsense is that, its like saying +1 over your power again and again as he "gets angry". Why dont that just call the Hulk the physical manifestation of the 'Creator' and be done with it. 
hmmm this probably wasnt the best place for a rant huh.

first battle iron man he could murder him pretty easly but if bruce has enough prep he could win however if tony has prep to tony or bruce could win everybody forgets tony is also good with prep

Can Batman get a fifth of gin first?
Guys Bat's has an EMP generator on him at all times. Iron Man is gonna be lying on the ground in a tin man costume in five seconds flat

@Sydpart2: Also, this. Bats will no doubt carry this with him at all times, and Tony without the suit is just Tony.

@Kallarkz: Doesn't mean he isn't just Tony. He's a tech genius, not a fighter, nor a brawler, nor a tactician. Iron Man isn't a personality for Tony. Tony isn't a facade, but Bruce Wayne is. Batman has the killer streak in him. A beast, if you will. Bats would still win in both cases.

@batmanary said:

@Kallarkz: Doesn't mean he isn't just Tony. He's a tech genius, not a fighter, nor a brawler, nor a tactician. Iron Man isn't a personality for Tony. Tony isn't a facade, but Bruce Wayne is. Batman has the killer streak in him. A beast, if you will. Bats would still win in both cases.

Iron Man isn't a tactician? .... He is a fighter actually. On numerous occasions he has mentioned his training in h2h combat from Captain America. What do you mean Iron Man isn't a personality for Tony?  Bruce dedicates most of his life to Batman but he was born BRUCE. Though I am not quite sure how that matters in this particular situation. As far as Batman's "killer streak" goes..I'm not quite sure I have since Batman directly kill an individual...can't say the same for Iron Man. Maybe you could fill in some blanks on that part.

@Kallarkz said:

@batmanary said:

@Kallarkz: Doesn't mean he isn't just Tony. He's a tech genius, not a fighter, nor a brawler, nor a tactician. Iron Man isn't a personality for Tony. Tony isn't a facade, but Bruce Wayne is. Batman has the killer streak in him. A beast, if you will. Bats would still win in both cases.

Iron Man isn't a tactician? .... He is a fighter actually. On numerous occasions he has mentioned his training in h2h combat from Captain America. What do you mean Iron Man isn't a personality for Tony?  Bruce dedicates most of his life to Batman but he was born BRUCE. Though I am not quite sure how that matters in this particular situation. As far as Batman's "killer streak" goes..I'm not quite sure I have since Batman directly kill an individual...can't say the same for Iron Man. Maybe you could fill in some blanks on that part.

He isn't a tactician. Where have they ever shown this? And being trained a little bit in fighting by no means makes you proficient enough to fight off people who've trained their whole lives. Being trained a little bit by Cap isn't going to make Tony magically win in a fight....granted he could win against random street thugs, but not actual martial artists. By saying this, you could argue Mary Jane has the same skills as Tony in h2h because she also received training from Captain America. And just because Batman was born Bruce Wayne doesn't mean that the public persona is actually him. The little boy lives on in the core Batman persona. By killer streak, I meant the viciousness to fight and win. And please don't bring in the almost random amount of killing that Marvel characters have been doing recently. I swear, at this point, even Spider-Man has killed a bunch of aliens.

@batmanary said:

@Kallarkz said:

@batmanary said:

@Kallarkz: Doesn't mean he isn't just Tony. He's a tech genius, not a fighter, nor a brawler, nor a tactician. Iron Man isn't a personality for Tony. Tony isn't a facade, but Bruce Wayne is. Batman has the killer streak in him. A beast, if you will. Bats would still win in both cases.

Iron Man isn't a tactician? .... He is a fighter actually. On numerous occasions he has mentioned his training in h2h combat from Captain America. What do you mean Iron Man isn't a personality for Tony?  Bruce dedicates most of his life to Batman but he was born BRUCE. Though I am not quite sure how that matters in this particular situation. As far as Batman's "killer streak" goes..I'm not quite sure I have since Batman directly kill an individual...can't say the same for Iron Man. Maybe you could fill in some blanks on that part.

He isn't a tactician. Where have they ever shown this? And being trained a little bit in fighting by no means makes you proficient enough to fight off people who've trained their whole lives. Being trained a little bit by Cap isn't going to make Tony magically win in a fight....granted he could win against random street thugs, but not actual martial artists. By saying this, you could argue Mary Jane has the same skills as Tony in h2h because she also received training from Captain America. And just because Batman was born Bruce Wayne doesn't mean that the public persona is actually him. The little boy lives on in the core Batman persona. By killer streak, I meant the viciousness to fight and win. And please don't bring in the almost random amount of killing that Marvel characters have been doing recently. I swear, at this point, even Spider-Man has killed a bunch of aliens.

Notice how in none of my statements have I stated who would win. I am simply correcting what you are stating because it was apparent that you are not up to date with the current Iron Man. =) When has Iron Man ever shown to be a tactician? You should pick up more Iron Man comic books. He comes up with brilliant plans.  Not quite sure where you were going with the whole Mary Jane thing...she isn't on meta human levels like Tony. And I doubt she has had the experience ;p. The whole is Batman Batman or is Batman Bruce Wayne or is he 75% Batman and 25% Bruce conversation Ill leave for another day.  Random killing Marvel characters have been doing? Like?