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Posted by tethadam (244 posts) 1 month, 18 days ago

Poll: Batman and Spiderman switch villians who does better? (47 votes)

Batman 30%
Spiderman 70%
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#1 Posted by FreedomZebra (77 posts) - - Show Bio

While Batman would have a hard time actually beating Spider-Man's villains, Spider-Man would have an incredibly hard time tracking down all of the Arkham characters. The death toll would be even more outrageous.

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#2 Posted by Doom_Phd (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

Pete would get outsmarted by plenty of Bats villains. Most of Pete’s rogues are power hungry genius, clear cut for Bruce.

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#3 Edited by Mister_Surreal (10347 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter is pretty damn smart and Batman's villains have a lot of pathological weaknesses that can be easily manipulated. Two-Face needs his coin to make decisions, The Riddler always leaves clues, Poison Ivy cares about plants, etc. There is also the fact that 70% of his enemies are just humans with money. But to be fair they are still extremely complicated and could set up plans that Spider-Man would likely not be quick enough to solve before hundreds of people die.

On the other hand, Batman would have a tough time beating people as powerful as The Rhino or Doc Ock so he is going to need to break out his heavy weight suits in order to beat them.

Peter's trouble is the psychology and tactics of the Batman villains, while Batman needs to deal with the physical dominance that the Spider-Man's villains pose. I would honestly give the edge to Batman since all he really needs is some time to do research and proceed in anyway that is necessary, while Spider-Man needs to figure out how these villains work and effectively outsmart them afterwards.

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#4 Posted by Doom_Phd (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@mister_surreal: Pete would most likely die going unprepared with most of Bat rogues particular if he is unaware of Joker Gas, or Poison Ivy main abilities

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#5 Posted by tethadam (244 posts) - - Show Bio
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#6 Posted by blackspidey2099 (6623 posts) - - Show Bio

Easily Spider-Man. I can't believe people think he's too dumb to counter a freaking gas even though he can whip up gas masks in seconds with his webbing and hold his breath for over 10 minutes.

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#7 Posted by Mister_Surreal (10347 posts) - - Show Bio

@doom_phd: Assuming that Batman gets prep then Spider-Man can prepare as well. But if not then I might have to agree with you on the comment about The Joker. But Spider-Man should be able to dodge all of Poisson Ivy's attacks from what I have seen.

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#8 Posted by Mister_Surreal (10347 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Posted by Heatforce (6162 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man because most of Batman's villains aren't metas or aren't very powerful metas (some are).

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#10 Edited by jay_z94 (8281 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man would do much better against Batman's villains than vice versa.

Peter is physically superior to Bruce, has good tech of his own and is around the same intelligence level.

Then add on to this the fact that most of Spider-Man's villains are superhumans themselves, while Batman's villains are mostly non-superhumans.

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#11 Posted by Supermanthor (18992 posts) - - Show Bio

@jay_z94 said:

Spider-Man would do much better against Batman's villains than vice versa.

Peter is physically superior to Bruce, has good tech of his own and is around the same intelligence level.

Then add on to this the fact that most of Spider-Man's villains are superhumans themselves, while Batman's villains are mostly non-superhumans.

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#12 Posted by blackspidey2099 (6623 posts) - - Show Bio

@mister_surreal: I don't see how I was rude, considering I didn't mention anyone at all. I was just commenting on the low opinions some people seem to have of Peter's tactical thinking abilities in combat.

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#13 Posted by Mister_Surreal (10347 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackspidey2099: Oh sorry, I read that wrong. I thought you were calling people stupid. My bad.

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#14 Posted by skywalker95 (4473 posts) - - Show Bio

No prep- Spider-Man would do better. Only Clayface and Poison Ivy should give him trouble. Bruce would get stomped by most of Peter's Enemies.

Prep- Both would do extremely well, but Bruce due to his resources, skills, gadgets and wealth

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#15 Posted by EICHHOLTZ (548 posts) - - Show Bio

What is Bruce going to do in a random encounter no prep against someone like Carnage or hydro-man?

without prep most of spiderman's villains are killing bruce.

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#16 Edited by SocaJunkie (8405 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man obviously. In a different league physically to Batman so most of Bruce’s rogues would get wrecked in a random encounter, additionally Peter is just as academically intelligent as Bruce, if not more so, so he can counter Ivy’s gas, Clayface’s biological composition etc with little prep.

The only obstacle he’ll face is the detective side of things where Bruce has a clear edge, however he’s no slouch in that department either. Resource wise if we take him at his best with his assets and financial muscle from Parker Industries then he’ll do alright.

Batman dies horribly in a random encounter with a majority of Peter’s villains. Norman stomps him, Rhino one-shots, Electro one-shots, Hydro-Man stomps, Scorpion one-shots etc

With prep he’d beat them all but he’d have to stay shut away while he develops his tech/plan etc

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#17 Edited by Doom_Phd (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackspidey2099: first off if you’re going by physicals, Spider-Man isn’t the first Meta human Bat rogues went up against. Second no one here is challenging his intellect. However Pete isn’t the type to plan way ahead and deduce scenarios in the same manner as Bruce. He may capture Joker but I guarantee his plan will still succeed

Secondly Spider-Man Rogues isn’t the first Meta humans Bruce went up against. In fact he could probably bring up a suit he design to last 5 mins with Superman and that would probably wreck 99% of the Spidey rogues

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#18 Posted by mrmonster (15184 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man. There are plenty of Spider-Man villains who could kill Batman on a first encounter, I can't think of any Batman villains who could beat Spider-Man.

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#19 Posted by kasino (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman would have zero trouble with Spiderman rogues. Spidey could be NY's best hero with his intelligence(though I wouldn't say he's on par with Bats, he's a superhero go-to. Spidey is a smart guy tag along.) and his physical attributes. Superior Spiderman would dominate Gotham. Peter on the other hand isn't mentally prepared for the non stop onslaught of Carnage equivalent mentalities.

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#20 Edited by the_stegman (40195 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman would have it easier. He would just make suits that could counter the powers of Spidey's villains (rubber for Electro, a mech suit for Rhino, etc).

Meanwhile, while Peter is highly intelligent in sciences and some engineering, he doesn't really have a deductive brain. I can't see him solving some of the crimes Batman would. Plus, the sheer insanity of Gotham might push Peter over the edge psychologically.

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#21 Posted by RandomGuy287 (889 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman easily

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#22 Edited by Gracetrack (4638 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman. His brain works on a level far beyond Peter's, and yet even he struggles to outwit his villains. The Bat's rogues gallery is pound for pound the smartest there is.

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#23 Posted by MAZAHS117 (12544 posts) - - Show Bio

Just from a physicality standpoint there are at least 5 Spidey rogues that would absolutely annihilate Bruce in a random encounter, like KILL him. Off the top of my head I can’t say the same of Bruce’s rogues going at Peter. That said I don’t think most of Spidey’s rogues are so powerful that Bruce can’t handle them with proper prep, intel and his resources. There are a few Batman rogues, that at least from a psychological standpoint, would give Peter a run for his money.

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#24 Posted by blackspidey2099 (6623 posts) - - Show Bio

@doom_phd:

first off if you’re going by physicals, Spider-Man isn’t the first Meta human Bat rogues went up against.

Yeah, but he's a lot better in every way than the Batman tier of metahumans like Killer Croc or Bane.

Second no one here is challenging his intellect. However Pete isn’t the type to plan way ahead and deduce scenarios in the same manner as Bruce. He may capture Joker but I guarantee his plan will still succeed

Peter doesn't usually plan way in advance like Bruce does, I agree. He also doesn't have the same volume of detective feats as Batman does. However, that doesn't mean at all that he doesn't have top tier detective skills - because he does.

Heck, when he was merely fifteen years old, he was able to easily solve puzzles designed by The Wizard (a supergenius who has matched wits with the likes of Reed Richards) to keep Human Torch and an entire city occupied. Yes, he was able to solve these puzzles better than anyone in New York City - and he did them with nothing but his wits.

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These skills haven't deserted him as he's grown up either. He's been able to casually track down suspects which even highly trained spies couldn't find, for example.

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Heck, he was able to piece together HYDRA's secret master plan before any of the other Avengers even realized they were making a return.

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Now, I'm not saying he's on the same level as Batman in terms of detective skills - cause he isn't. But when Tony Stark hits him up because he needs some detective help, I think that says something.

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With that said, I definitely don't think he's going to be left hapless while trying to solve crimes in Gotham. In fact, I most certainly doubt he's going to have much trouble at all.

Secondly Spider-Man Rogues isn’t the first Meta humans Bruce went up against. In fact he could probably bring up a suit he design to last 5 mins with Superman and that would probably wreck 99% of the Spidey rogues

What suit? The Justice Buster which got completely wrecked by having a building fall on it? Someone like Carnage would one-shot it, lmao. The Thrasher which has a singular feat of punching through a tiny plane? The Shocker could probably take it out. The only useful one he has here is the Hellbat, which is way too overkill and kills Bruce every time he wears it anyways.

Batman would have it easier. He would just make suits that could counter the powers of Spidey's villains (rubber for Electro, a mech suit for Rhino, etc).

Meanwhile, while Peter is highly intelligent in sciences and some engineering, he doesn't really have a deductive brain. I can't see him solving some of the crimes Batman would. Plus, the sheer insanity of Gotham might push Peter over the edge psychologically.

See above, please. And Peter has already been through plenty of crazy shit. He's not some weak-willed milksop as those MCU movies might make you believe. Nothing in Gotham would "push Peter over the edge", and even if it actually did, that would be far worse for Batman's villains since he'd just end up killing them all.

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Batman would have zero trouble with Spiderman rogues. Spidey could be NY's best hero with his intelligence(though I wouldn't say he's on par with Bats, he's a superhero go-to. Spidey is a smart guy tag along.) and his physical attributes. Superior Spiderman would dominate Gotham. Peter on the other hand isn't mentally prepared for the non stop onslaught of Carnage equivalent mentalities.

I find it funny that you say Superior Spider-Man would dominate Gotham when Doc Ock himself has admitted that Peter is superior to him in every way.

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Also, see above. Peter might not be as good a detective as Bruce, but he's smarter and far better physically. He's also seen just as much messed up crazy shit as what happens in Gotham, if not more.

Batman. His brain works on a level far beyond Peter's, and yet even he struggles to outwit his villains. The Bat's rogues gallery is pound for pound the smartest there is.

LMAO. Please let me know when Batman out-thinks someone with picosecond processing capabilities, or does millions of complex operations in his mind within a few short minutes. Peter would have no trouble outsmarting anyone in Batman's rogues gallery. Meanwhile, I'm not sure if I can say the same for Batman vs some of Peter's rogues.

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#25 Posted by FireStarLord73194 (5089 posts) - - Show Bio

Spiderman folds batman’s rogues like an omelette

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#26 Posted by Mister_Surreal (10347 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackspidey2099: Great post. The only thing two statements that I disagree with are Peter being smarter and Batman not being able to outsmart his rogues gallery.

For one, being smart by definition is actually based on how much knowledge a person has. As well rounded as Spider-Man is he isn’t on the same level as a living encyclopedia with centuries worth of information in his brain. Peter can processs information and multi task at a rate that is far beyond what Batman could do, but it still doesn’t make him more intelligent in terms of raw intellectual capacity and learning aptitude. It’s the same reason why Superman is considered to be less intelligent than Batman even though he is still a genius living super computer. Spider-Man is smart but Batman is simply better.

The second thing being that Batman wouldn’t have much trouble with Spider-Man’s villains on an intellectual level. His most intelligent villains are arguably smarter than Peter’s, that is hard to deny when Batman has people like The Joker, Bane, The Riddler, Hush, Ra’s Al Ghul and some more of the smartest people on Earth. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the most intelligent villain that Spider-Man generally deals with is Doc Ock and he isn’t on the same level as Batman really. That’s all.

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#27 Posted by shroudofsorrow (5812 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackspidey2099: Brilliant analysis my friend.

And honestly, this shouldn't even be much of a debate. Spider-Man would have no trouble easily overcoming Batman's enemies and their henchmen. He wouldn't be a perfect substitute for Bruce, but he would do a heck of a lot better than Batman would do against a rogues gallery filled with villains who would easily overpower him. Batman COULD beat many of Spider-Man's enemies, but only with prep time. In random encounters, Batman would do poorly more often than not.

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#28 Posted by shroudofsorrow (5812 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackspidey2099: Great post. The only thing two statements that I disagree with are Peter being smarter and Batman not being able to outsmart his rogues gallery.

For one, being smart by definition is actually based on how much knowledge a person has. As well rounded as Spider-Man is he isn’t on the same level as a living encyclopedia with centuries worth of information in his brain. Peter can processs information and multi task at a rate that is far beyond what Batman could do, but it still doesn’t make him more intelligent in terms of raw intellectual capacity and learning aptitude. It’s the same reason why Superman is considered to be less intelligent than Batman even though he is still a genius living super computer. Spider-Man is smart but Batman is simply better.

The second thing being that Batman wouldn’t have much trouble with Spider-Man’s villains on an intellectual level. His most intelligent villains are arguably smarter than Peter’s, that is hard to deny when Batman has people like The Joker, Bane, The Riddler, Hush, Ra’s Al Ghul and some more of the smartest people on Earth. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the most intelligent villain that Spider-Man generally deals with is Doc Ock and he isn’t on the same level as Batman really. That’s all.

I disagree with much of this; first off, how does Batman have "centuries worth of information"? He's not several centuries old. In any case, Spider-Man has intelligence feats that Batman does not possess. Myself, I would argue that each is smarter then the other in different arenas; Batman is smarter in terms of detective skills, deductive reasoning, strategy, and planning (all things Spider-Man is also good in, just not as good). But conversely, Spider-Man's feats of scientific brilliance, engineering, and inventing are no worse than Batman's.

Likewise, Doc Ock is also smarter then Batman in those same arenas. For that matter, Spider-Man has plenty of enemies with advanced intellects; Mysterio, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Jackal, Vulture, Kingpin, the Smythes, and Tinkerer are all either super-genius inventors, criminal masterminds, or both. Again, there is a difference between intelligence in terms of strategy, planning, and being a chess master, and intelligence in terms of being an inventor. Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Alistair and Spencer Smythe, Mysterio, Tinkerer, and Jackal all consistently impress in the latter over and above characters like Ra's al Ghul, Bane, and Hush, who are intelligent in terms of strategy and planning.

Again, there's many different kinds of intelligence. Batman and his enemies are better in one kind, while Spider-Man and his smartest enemies are better in the other.

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#29 Posted by NinjaWarrior268 (12002 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman due to being better at prep. Peter would have a hard time with Ivy and Clayface. He has fewer ways of dealing with the latter than Sandman. What's Spiderman going to do? Use a water hose to turn Clayface into clay?

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#30 Posted by dirtytree332 (610 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter stomps all of Batman's rogues gallery.

Batman would struggle to beat 1/5 of Peter's.

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#31 Edited by wacko_from_waco (235 posts) - - Show Bio

Obviously Peter is physically superior and on Bruce's intellect. He would have no problem dealing with Batman's villians.

As for Bruce, for the most part he would use one of his suits to deal with Spiderman's rogues. They operate differently than Batman's rogues.

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#32 Posted by TrueMoonchilde (2089 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man.

Half of his villains would rip Batman in half. The only Batman villain that I think might give Spidey trouble is Poison Ivy. Everyone else Spidey has a similar (or more powerful) villain he beats regularly.

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#33 Edited by Mister_Surreal (10347 posts) - - Show Bio

@shroudofsorrow: I’m going to make this quick.

First point:

Batman doesn’t need to be centuries old, what I meant is that he has a centuries worth of knowledge because he has amassed an amount of information that is has gained in the number of fields that he is become and expert in. His knowledge of science spans the fields of biology, physics, criminology, forensics, chemistry, genetics and several others. With that he has feats like nearly cloning himself, building various mechanized suits and even discovering another multiverse. He’s at least as good as Peter if not better. Not to mention the non scientific fields like mastering every single form of martial arts (which would take well over a life time), escape artistry, history, sociology and many others. Batman is smarter because not only is he just as knowledgeable when it comes to scientific fields as Peter but is also an expert in various other ones. I understand that there are different types of intelligences, but Batman is just good at what Peter does and more.

Second point:

I’m going to have to agree with that actually.

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#34 Posted by blackspidey2099 (6623 posts) - - Show Bio

@mister_surreal:

Great post. The only thing two statements that I disagree with are Peter being smarter and Batman not being able to outsmart his rogues gallery.

Thank you. Also, I apologize if I implied Batman can't outsmart his rogues gallery, since I didn't mean to say that. He outsmarts Joker, Riddler, Ra's, etc. all the time, so he clearly can outsmart his rogues lol.

For one, being smart by definition is actually based on how much knowledge a person has. As well rounded as Spider-Man is he isn’t on the same level as a living encyclopedia with centuries worth of information in his brain.

AFAIK, that's not what smart means, but either way - I'm not sure how Batman has centuries worth of information in his brain. I don't mind saying Batman has more knowledge in a wider variety of fields than Peter does, but I'd say Peter is better when it comes to science.

The second thing being that Batman wouldn’t have much trouble with Spider-Man’s villains on an intellectual level. His most intelligent villains are arguably smarter than Peter’s, that is hard to deny when Batman has people like The Joker, Bane, The Riddler, Hush, Ra’s Al Ghul and some more of the smartest people on Earth.

I don't think any of those villains are anywhere near someone like Doc Ock or Osborn in terms of scientific ability, though they may be better in other fields.

With that he has feats like nearly cloning himself, building various mechanized suits and even discovering another multiverse.

Well, I saw this, and Peter is better. Peter's built better mechanized suits than Batman has on his own, and Ben Reilly (Peter's clone) was able to create a new, advanced cloning process - so clearly Peter could as well. On the other hand, I don't think Batman has feats of being able to understand and reverse-engineer tech built to defeat Celestials, or help fix technology too complicated for people millions of years in the future to fix.

@blackspidey2099: Brilliant analysis my friend.

And honestly, this shouldn't even be much of a debate. Spider-Man would have no trouble easily overcoming Batman's enemies and their henchmen. He wouldn't be a perfect substitute for Bruce, but he would do a heck of a lot better than Batman would do against a rogues gallery filled with villains who would easily overpower him. Batman COULD beat many of Spider-Man's enemies, but only with prep time. In random encounters, Batman would do poorly more often than not.

Thank you! And yeah, Batman would need specialized prep to beat most of Peter's villains. I

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#35 Posted by TheOneAboveLife (958 posts) - - Show Bio

This deserves a bump.

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#36 Posted by Helloman (29886 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman.

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#37 Edited by Mister_Surreal (10347 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackspidey2099 said:

@mister_surreal:

Great post. The only thing two statements that I disagree with are Peter being smarter and Batman not being able to outsmart his rogues gallery.

''Thank you. Also, I apologize if I implied Batman can't outsmart his rogues gallery, since I didn't mean to say that. He outsmarts Joker, Riddler, Ra's, etc. all the time, so he clearly can outsmart his rogues lol.''

I was referring to the Spider-Man rogues gallery.

For one, being smart by definition is actually based on how much knowledge a person has. As well rounded as Spider-Man is he isn’t on the same level as a living encyclopedia with centuries worth of information in his brain.

''AFAIK, that's not what smart means, but either way - I'm not sure how Batman has centuries worth of information in his brain. I don't mind saying Batman has more knowledge in a wider variety of fields than Peter does, but I'd say Peter is better when it comes to science.''

I know that one common definition of smart means quick witted, but I have done research in the past and have seen many people interpret it as referring how knowledge someone is. This of course could be wrong. What I meant by ''centuries'' worth of knowledge was that Batman has obtained and mastered an amount of information that would realistically take a person several lifetimes to achieve, e.g. mastering every form of martial arts. Who is better in science is debatable when we look at Batman's genetic, engineering and quantum mechanical feats.

The second thing being that Batman wouldn’t have much trouble with Spider-Man’s villains on an intellectual level. His most intelligent villains are arguably smarter than Peter’s, that is hard to deny when Batman has people like The Joker, Bane, The Riddler, Hush, Ra’s Al Ghul and some more of the smartest people on Earth.

''I don't think any of those villains are anywhere near someone like Doc Ock or Osborn in terms of scientific ability, though they may be better in other fields.''

I agree with that.

With that he has feats like nearly cloning himself, building various mechanized suits and even discovering another multiverse.

''Well, I saw this, and Peter is better. Peter's built better mechanized suits than Batman has on his own, and Ben Reilly (Peter's clone) was able to create a new, advanced cloning process - so clearly Peter could as well. On the other hand, I don't think Batman has feats of being able to understand and reverse-engineer tech built to defeat Celestials, or help fix technology too complicated for people millions of years in the future to fix.''

This is one of those instances where it comes down to different fields. Cloning: there are more or less on par with each other since both were able to create functioning clones that could replicate their own feats. Engineering: I have to agree with you on that one. Physics: Outside of his multiverse discovering feat, Batman his been able to reverse engineer a green lantern ring (a universal weapon) simply by looking at it and went as far as to create his own. So I would say he is at least as good as Peter on that front. He also has the feat of building a machine that would literally inject all of the years of knowledge and experience that he gained into someone's mind in the span of a few seconds. So that gives him another insane feat in the field of neurology. They are better in some fields than others so it's really up for debate.

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#38 Edited by Gracetrack (4638 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackspidey2099 said:

LMAO. Please let me know when Batman out-thinks someone with picosecond processing capabilities, or does millions of complex operations in his mind within a few short minutes. Peter would have no trouble outsmarting anyone in Batman's rogues gallery. Meanwhile, I'm not sure if I can say the same for Batman vs some of Peter's rogues.

The simple fact of the matter is, in comic books, faster processing speed doesn't equate to being smarter. Batman can (and has) outwitted Superman and Flash, two characters with brain processing speeds that dwarf most characters', including Batman's, and yet Batman is considered to be smarter than the both of them. This is the same Superman who once read every medical text ever published in minutes and successfully performed a surgery in 5 minutes that normally would've taken hours; and the same Flash who can think at the speed of light, can perceive events that last less than an attosecond, can see all possible outcomes and successfully react in the blink of an eye, and once called 100 quadrillion calculations per second "slow."

Peter is smart, but he isn't Batman-level smart.

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#39 Posted by shroudofsorrow (5812 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman due to being better at prep. Peter would have a hard time with Ivy and Clayface. He has fewer ways of dealing with the latter than Sandman. What's Spiderman going to do? Use a water hose to turn Clayface into clay?

No, use prep time of his own. You know Spider-Man knows how to use prep time also, right? Batman may be better, but you're definitely underselling Spider-Man in this regard. He beats many of his enemies with prep time (in fact, his original victories over many of his main enemies were done with some mild amount of prep).

The difference is, Spider-Man doesn't need prep to easily overcome the overwhelming majority of Batman's enemies. Only the two you mentioned are ones he'd have trouble with without prep. But characters like Joker, Two-Face, Harley, Riddler, Penguin, and even the likes of Bane and Deathstroke, are well within Spider-Man's ability to overcome without any prep whatsoever simply because he's smart enough to deal with their schemes and more then powerful enough to one-shot the lot of them. Conversely, Batman needs prep to have any sort of chance against the vast majority of Spider-Man enemies, who are simply too physically powerful for him to take on in a random encounter without prep.

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#40 Edited by Doom_Phd (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

@shroudofsorrow:

If you think Spidey walking up to The stroke and depending on physicals alone will assure victory then you are mistaken

A fully armored Slade could and will put a hurting on Pete

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#41 Posted by shroudofsorrow (5812 posts) - - Show Bio

@doom_phd: Except Peter doesn't depend solely on physicals. And thinking Spider-Man can beat Deathstroke is hardly an outrageous position. Especially if we're talking New Earth DS.

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#42 Posted by Mister_Surreal (10347 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#43 Posted by shroudofsorrow (5812 posts) - - Show Bio

Man, the vote is now almost a 60/40 split.

I don't know what's more likely; that a lot of people are overselling Batman and/or his enemies, or a lot of people are lowballing Spider-Man.

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#44 Posted by algorhythm511 (2682 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man does better naturally. However, with some prep, Batman doesn’t have a huge amount of trouble.

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#45 Posted by shroudofsorrow (5812 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man does better naturally. However, with some prep, Batman doesn’t have a huge amount of trouble.

Agreed. So long as he has enough prep time, Batman should be able to handle most if not all of Spider-Man's enemies.

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#46 Posted by GateOfBabylon (4077 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man at first, until the villains realise his disadvantage of being younger, kinder, and inexperienced. He can be easily taken advantage of since Batman's villains have no problem stooping really low.

Batman will have issues at the start, until he gains knowledge and starts to prep, and then it's much smoother from there.

TLDR: Spider-Man at first, Batman later.

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#47 Posted by shroudofsorrow (5812 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man at first, until the villains realise his disadvantage of being younger, kinder, and inexperienced. He can be easily taken advantage of since Batman's villains have no problem stooping really low.

Batman will have issues at the start, until he gains knowledge and starts to prep, and then it's much smoother from there.

TLDR: Spider-Man at first, Batman later.

*Sigh*. Yet more Spider-Man lowballing.

Spider-Man may be younger than Batman, but he's hardly a naive noob. He's also fought plenty of villains who are underhanded, deceitful, and monstrous. The idea that Spider-Man can be "easily taken advantage of" is ridiculous, as villains like Green Goblin, Carnage, Kingpin, and others have not "easily taken advantage of" Spider-Man. The Batman villains are, frankly, nothing Spider-Man has never seen before or else are no worse then what he's already well accustomed to from his years of crimefighting.

Spider-Man still does better than Batman would. The arguments people have been making against Spider-Man showcase an unbelievable lack of understanding of who Spider-Man is and what he's capable of. He's not a weak-willed, wussy novice or dunce who can be easily outwitted by any Batman villain. He has consistently shown he can handle evil, ruthless, and immoral villains, including ones who are highly intelligent. There's no reason to think Spider-Man would be troubled by Batman's rogues gallery.

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#48 Posted by ByondEon (838 posts) - - Show Bio

Random encounter's is the Bane of Batman's existence (sorry guys/girls/trans/other genders), since he lose more than 2/3rd of his...

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#49 Posted by IndomitableRegal (15895 posts) - - Show Bio

Hard to say. Batman would struggle with Spider-Man's villains physical, but Peter would struggle with Bruce's villains mentally/psychologically.

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#50 Posted by ByondEon (838 posts) - - Show Bio

Hard to say. Batman would struggle with Spider-Man's villains physical, but Peter would struggle with Bruce's villains mentally/psychologically.

TBH, I think Spiderman would handle it better than Batman