AVATAR (TLA/LOK) : VILLAIN POWER RANKING TOURNAMENT

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Avatar (The last Airbender / Legend of Korra) : Villain power Ranking

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OK so in this tournament, we are going to determine the best and most dangerous villains in the avatar franchise (in ascending order). It would be determined by eliminating the LEAST powerful villain character until we have only one standing.

The rules are simple :

- comment the LEAST!! powerful villain character for every round.

- Comment only ONE!! I.E the weakest on the list.

- Elimination would take place every 2-3 days with the removal of the least powerful and the next round would be available for voting.

- All feats from all media (TV, comics) applicable

- Characters physicals, hype, status, feats and bending prowess should be considered, characters should be judged based on their competence and not just bending alone. Based on how you rate each of them.

-NO AVATAR STATE POWER UP OR FEATS CAN BE USED OR CONSIDERED AS A FACTOR. NO AMPLIFICATIONS.

VILLAINS:

HAMAKUVIRATHE LIEUTENANT
COMBUSTION MANZAHEERP'LI
ZHAO LONG FENG (and the Dai Li)OZAI

AMON

MING-HUA XIN-FU/MASTER YU
UNALAQ(pre fusion)GHAZANAZULA
TARRLOK

CHECK OUT THE LOTUS MEMBERS POWER RANKING RESULT:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/most-powerful-lotus-members-avatar-comicvine-voted-2162447/

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#2  Edited By Aystarr

ELIMINATION ROUND 1 BEGINS, VOTE!!!

HAMAKUVIRATHE LIEUTENANT
COMBUSTION MANZAHEERP'LI
ZHAOLONG FENG (and the Dai Li)OZAI

AMON

MING-HUAXIN-FU/MASTER YU
UNALAQ(pre fusion)GHAZANAZULA
TARRLOK

- Xin Fu/Master Yu are a duo (as they appeared in the series).

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#4  Edited By BigDreamer48

Master Yu is the weakest, but if you are counting him with Xin-Fu, as in they're a duo, then I guess I'll say Zhao.

Edit: Since Master Yu and Xin-Fu are a duo I'm voting for Zhao.

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Master Yu is the weakest, but if you are counting him with Xin-Fu, as in they're a duo, then I guess I'll say Zhao.

Yes, Master yu and xin-fu are a duo.

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Yu/Xin Fu

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Zhao has some pretty good feats tbh and he's hyped as an Admiral etc.

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@aystarr: I actually just realized I never asked you this...do you vote in these tournaments?

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#9 ANTHP2000  Online

Zhao at least had some of the Fire Nation's resources and an army. Yu and Xin Fu might honestly be better benders than him, but they are still just two buffoons. I vote them.

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@aystarr: I actually just realized I never asked you this...do you vote in these tournaments?

I guess we'll never know.
I guess we'll never know.

Yeah I do lol, I can still participate, it won't change anything.

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@aystarr: Why are there no Kyoshi novel characters?

OT: Of the ones here, I would give it to Yu/Xin duo as the weakest. Didn't impress me in the slightest and got outsmarted by a blind 12 year old.

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Xin Fu/Master Yu. Master Yu weighs done hard.

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Xin fu/ Master Yu, they dont have really any hype behind them either

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I'm voting Zhao tbh.

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Zhao

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I think Zhao would beat them individually but not together, so voting for him.

You mentioned no Avatar State or power ups, but I see Unalaq listed with Dark Avatar. Is he able to use all his feats in this tournament or only the ones before Harmonic Convergence and fusing with Vaatu? And does Zaheer have flight?

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Why are there no Kyoshi novel characters?

There never were...

Zhao.

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Xin Fu/Master Yu. Zhao is bad, but he's better than these two.

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Xin Fu/Yu

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Yu/Xin Fu for this one.

Thank you for reading this post and hope you have a marvelous day! :D

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Xin Fu/Master Yu are out

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Eh I'm going to give Zhao a pity vote. As a student of Jeong-Jeong, at least he would be better than Master Yu/Xin Fu.

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@elissas: if you think he's better than those two, you shouldn't vote for him. Voting means youre eliminating Zhao.

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@chloros said:

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You mentioned no Avatar State or power ups, but I see Unalaq listed with Dark Avatar. Is he able to use all his feats in this tournament or only the ones before Harmonic Convergence and fusing with Vaatu? And does Zaheer have flight?

Oh I just saw it now, thanks, I'll address it, I don't know how many forms of Unalaq you guys would prefer.

Zaheer has flight.

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Did @aystarr miss out adding Azula in the OP or are my eyes blind?

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Did @aystarr miss out adding Azula in the OP or are my eyes blind?

She's there lol

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@aystarr: In the big picture you posted in the OP?

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@aystarr: Probably all three would be better. Does Kuvira get her colossus?

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I'd say Pre/Post. No sense in including "Dark Avatar" since the general rule is no AS.

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#32  Edited By Aystarr

@viking1205 said:

@aystarr: In the big picture you posted in the OP?

That's Just a Poster, it's not meant to have all of them lol.

@viking1205 said:

@aystarr: Probably all three would be better. Does Kuvira get her colossus?

No, that's the thing, we're ranking them normally without the aid of any machine or temporary amp (except gear), but the problem with Unalaq is that his fusion with vatuu isn't exactly a temporary amp, even though it only lasted for some hours.

Since I restricted the Avatar state In other rankings, I don't want to add it here, so I'm thinking maybe option 2 would be the best, but I could also see why some people would want his dark Avatar form to be included.

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@aystarr: There's genuine confusion regarding the nature of Unalaq's power boost. So, if you're not gonna include the DAS, I'd rather have only his base pre-fusion self to be honest.

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I'd say Pre/Post. No sense in including "Dark Avatar" since the general rule is no AS.

This seems the most fair to me too but idk yet, I'll wait to see and just do what majority wants by the second round.

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@aystarr: I'd say give him his strongest form that's permanent. The Avatar State is usually restricted to make VS battles more interesting and balanced, but if this is meant to be a ranking of the villains in how strong they really are, I don't see why it'd make sense to omit it in this case.

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@aystarr: Also, when you say the villains' status and competence should be factored into the rankings, are you referring to their role in the narrative i.e. how effectively they opposed the heroes? Or something else entirely? I'm a bit confused as to what you mean and how those things are meant to be balanced with their bending prowess.

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@aystarr: Post-Fusion but restrict his glow-eyes feat as that is his AS.

Maybe add both

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Why do people assume Unalaq was in the AS when fighting Korra? He only entered it when they started their tug-o-war with the water Arms.

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@azronger said:

@aystarr: I'd say give him his strongest form that's permanent. The Avatar State is usually restricted to make VS battles more interesting and balanced, but if this is meant to be a ranking of the villains in how strong they really are, I don't see why it'd make sense to omit it in this case.

The Rankings have been done without amps like the avatar state so far, like this and this because it was more about thier own competence without any aid, that has always been the direction of the ranking, but I understand what you're saying about it being his power afterall. I think I'm going to have to use only the version of him before fusion to avoid confusion.

@azronger said:

@aystarr: Also, when you say the villains' status and competence should be factored into the rankings, are you referring to their role in the narrative i.e. how effectively they opposed the heroes? Or something else entirely? I'm a bit confused as to what you mean and how those things are meant to be balanced with their bending prowess.

By this, I meant they should be judged based on how effective/threatening they are as (non)benders, not how they affect the heroes or only based on raw power.

E.g someone might think Ghazan or a combustion bender has more raw power than some benders here so they would put them above others only based on that ignoring other things like physicals,skill, versatility, and application.

Status is not very relevant, it's similar to applicable hype here, it's just for people like White lotus members who don't have feats. (E.g someone like ozai stated as having the best power in the show even without much feats)

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#40  Edited By Azronger

@aystarr: So is it a purely combative ranking? That's the impression I get from your latest post, but your word choices in the opener make me think other factors are being considered. Long Feng also has the Dai Li, and other posters here have cited Zhao having the resources of the Fire Nation going for him, so I think they have this impression as well.

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@azronger: I think it's entirely combative rankings only, or that's how I voted in all of the past threads that were similar to this. Only combat applicable statements, feats and hype are relevant here is what I assumed.

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Xin Fu/Master Yu

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@viking1205: That would make the most sense to me. But then Long Feng apparently has the Dai Li here to assist him for some reason, so are we supposed rank, what, a hundred benders as one unit?

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@azronger:

@azronger: I think it's entirely combative rankings only, or that's how I voted in all of the past threads that were similar to this. Only combat applicable statements, feats and hype are relevant here is what I assumed.

This.

No, rank only long feng, I put the Dai Li there because they were working for him, it doesn't mean anything, Don't worry I'll do a lot of editing in the next round because of these confusions.

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In that case I'll ditch Xin Fu and Yu

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I’d have just post fusion Unalaq w/out DAS boost.

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I’d have just post fusion Unalaq w/out DAS boost.

So, literally just his entire appearance bar the time he ripped Raava out of Korra and Unavaatu then..?

Or are you on the side with the dumb people where you think his fight with Korra was in the AS?

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@aystarr: Is Azula and Ozai comet boost and Hama Full Moon boost?

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@byondeon: It doesn’t really matter to me if he used it in that battle or not (personally I don’t think he used it) but what matters is he has an Avatar State level amp and it would be unfair to include that amp

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@byondeon: It doesn’t really matter to me if he used it in that battle or not (personally I don’t think he used it) but what matters is he has an Avatar State level amp and it would be unfair to include that amp

He should have an amp in the AS, though you don't really see it other than him able to match Korra in a power struggle and ripping out her Avatar Spirit.