Avatar Respect Thread: Zaheer and Ghazan

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Note: This RT is inspired by and meant to be a companion to @tektonic's excellent Ming Hua and P'li respect thread, and an expansion to @strangelegacy's LOK villains respect thread.

Zaheer

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Zaheer is the leader of the Red Lotus and it's airbending member. Despite his lack of experience with airbending, his combat mastery, intelligence, and ruthless dedication to his cause make him an opponent to be feared.

Airbending

Striking Power

While airbending isn't the best element for putting people down quickly, Zaheer's striking power is still quite respectable:

This move injured Korra (a fairly durable person) enough to stop her from fighting until Tonraq arrived.
This move injured Korra (a fairly durable person) enough to stop her from fighting until Tonraq arrived.
Zaheer cuts a barrel in half with an air slice.
Zaheer cuts a barrel in half with an air slice.
KO's Kya by slamming her into a wall.
KO's Kya by slamming her into a wall.
KO's Kya with the sheer force of his airblast, no slamming required.
KO's Kya with the sheer force of his airblast, no slamming required.
Kya tanked a decent size ice attack shattering on her, as well as several other hits during her fight with Ming Hua, while remaining conscious. Ming's blows are very strong, enough that she's one shotted Mako and shattered earth/steel repeatedly, making this a very respectable feat.
Kya tanked a decent size ice attack shattering on her, as well as several other hits during her fight with Ming Hua, while remaining conscious. Ming's blows are very strong, enough that she's one shotted Mako and shattered earth/steel repeatedly, making this a very respectable feat.
KO's Korra by smashing her into the ground.
KO's Korra by smashing her into the ground.

Skill

While Zaheer is not your traditional airbending master, he's not an unskilled novice either, having studied airbending to teach it to Korra, and being a high level prodigy.

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Zaheer creates a mini-tornado around Tonraq faster than he can react.
Zaheer creates a mini-tornado around Tonraq faster than he can react.
Using air to hold Korra in place while simultaneously suffocating her (he invented suffocation as well).
Using air to hold Korra in place while simultaneously suffocating her (he invented suffocation as well).
Using airbending to reverse Korra's tackle.
Using airbending to reverse Korra's tackle.
Bends a storm, a respectable scale feat as well.
Bends a storm, a respectable scale feat as well.
Using airbending to call his staff back to him like a jedi, then form a 360 air shield which he turns into an AOE attack.
Using airbending to call his staff back to him like a jedi, then form a 360 air shield which he turns into an AOE attack.
Using airbending to force the WL guards towards him.
Using airbending to force the WL guards towards him.
Uses airbending to direct a poison dart at Korra.
Uses airbending to direct a poison dart at Korra.
Zaheer is proficient with glider flight, and is even able to attack from the air.
Zaheer is proficient with glider flight, and is even able to attack from the air.

Flight

While Zaheer was formidable even before unlocking this, he reached a whole new level when he discovered the power of flight.

Dodging a pillar slam and three high speed earth projectiles from Korra.
Dodging a pillar slam and three high speed earth projectiles from Korra.
Dodging more earth projectiles from Korra.
Dodging more earth projectiles from Korra.
Outpacing a bloodlusted (although poisoned) AS.
Outpacing a bloodlusted (although poisoned) AS.
Flies a large distance quickly.
Flies a large distance quickly.
Demonstrates excellent range and good accuracy.
Demonstrates excellent range and good accuracy.
Airbending and flight combined to send Korra flying.
Airbending and flight combined to send Korra flying.
Dodges even MORE rocks.
Dodges even MORE rocks.
Dodges even bigger rocks.
Dodges even bigger rocks.
He can escape a tornado created by the entire air nation until Korra pulls him down.
He can escape a tornado created by the entire air nation until Korra pulls him down.

Physical Abilities

Speed and Agility

Speed and agility are two things Zaheer excels at, and he is firmly in the upper echelon of speed in the avatarverse.

Completely overwhelming Tonraq with his speed, despite also having to deal with boulders from Korra.
Completely overwhelming Tonraq with his speed, despite also having to deal with boulders from Korra.

Tonraq himself is respectably fast, making this quite impressive.

Tonraq dodging a flurry of attacks from Unalaq, and environmental attacks to boot.
Tonraq dodging a flurry of attacks from Unalaq, and environmental attacks to boot.
Dodges a boulder from AS Korra. Notably, Ming Hua, an extremely fast bender in her own right, is unable to dodge it (He had flight, but flight didn't increase his reaction speed, and he didn't do anything he couldn't have done with an air jump).
Dodges a boulder from AS Korra. Notably, Ming Hua, an extremely fast bender in her own right, is unable to dodge it (He had flight, but flight didn't increase his reaction speed, and he didn't do anything he couldn't have done with an air jump).
Good agility feat.
Good agility feat.
Dodges out Tonraq despite Korra setting him up.
Dodges out Tonraq despite Korra setting him up.
Casually sidesteps Mako's fireblast and blasts him and Bolin into a wall before they can even try to brace themselves (They couldn't have dodged, but they could've braced themselves like Amon and Unalaq did).
Casually sidesteps Mako's fireblast and blasts him and Bolin into a wall before they can even try to brace themselves (They couldn't have dodged, but they could've braced themselves like Amon and Unalaq did).

For comparison:

Mako is fast enough to react to and bend an explosion.
Mako is fast enough to react to and bend an explosion.
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Two good agility feats from when Zaheer escaped, made all the more impressive by the fact that he had only just received airbending.
Two good agility feats from when Zaheer escaped, made all the more impressive by the fact that he had only just received airbending.
Reacts to Korra's cheapshot and easily dodges her attacks.
Reacts to Korra's cheapshot and easily dodges her attacks.
Jumps a ridiculous distance. Notably, his jump gives him more forward momentum than a speeding truck.
Jumps a ridiculous distance. Notably, his jump gives him more forward momentum than a speeding truck.
Deflects a bunch of ice shards from Kya.
Deflects a bunch of ice shards from Kya.
Dodges out Kya and hits her before her attack even completes. Kya was able to sort of keep up with Ming Hua, so she's not slow.
Dodges out Kya and hits her before her attack even completes. Kya was able to sort of keep up with Ming Hua, so she's not slow.
Showing impressive agility climbing up the air temple, as well as matching Tenzin's combat speed (he got wrecked in that fight, but it was because of Tenzin's superior skill, not his superior speed).
Showing impressive agility climbing up the air temple, as well as matching Tenzin's combat speed (he got wrecked in that fight, but it was because of Tenzin's superior skill, not his superior speed).
Shows him once again matching Tenzin's combat speed and dodging him out in style.
Shows him once again matching Tenzin's combat speed and dodging him out in style.
Another good agility feat from Zaheer.
Another good agility feat from Zaheer.
Yet another good agility showing from Zaheer. Notice how he moves his body to present as small a target as possible, a nice demonstration of his combat skills.
Yet another good agility showing from Zaheer. Notice how he moves his body to present as small a target as possible, a nice demonstration of his combat skills.
Another good agility showing.
Another good agility showing.
Outspeeds Kya.
Outspeeds Kya.

Strength, Durability, and H2H

In addition to being very fast, Zaheer is also quite physically imposing, fitting for someone who used to be a nonbending martial artist.

Strength and H2H:

Leg throws a guard into his cell.
Leg throws a guard into his cell.

Shows he can amp his strength with airbending. He also kicks a barrel full of water (470 pounds according to google) 20+ feet, an insane striking feat.
Shows he can amp his strength with airbending. He also kicks a barrel full of water (470 pounds according to google) 20+ feet, an insane striking feat.

Breaks weakened AS Korra's ice with his bare hands, an excellent feat considering base Korra's ice has no sold blasts from Unalaq and restrained the Colossus.
Breaks weakened AS Korra's ice with his bare hands, an excellent feat considering base Korra's ice has no sold blasts from Unalaq and restrained the Colossus.

Durability and Recovery:

Zaheer recovered from this two-story slam fast enough to dodge Kya's follow up.
Zaheer recovered from this two-story slam fast enough to dodge Kya's follow up.
Dodges out Tonraq after being blasted and tripped.
Dodges out Tonraq after being blasted and tripped.
Recovers from one of Tenzin's airblasts fast enough to dodge the follow up. He tanks several shots like this over the course of the fight.
Recovers from one of Tenzin's airblasts fast enough to dodge the follow up. He tanks several shots like this over the course of the fight.

Track Record

Stalemates Tonraq in the North Pole.
Stalemates Tonraq in the North Pole.
Defeats Tonraq and chained Korra on Laghima's Peak.
Defeats Tonraq and chained Korra on Laghima's Peak.
Defeats Kya, despite her having a night bonus and help from guards.
Defeats Kya, despite her having a night bonus and help from guards.
Defeats Kya in 13 seconds flat once he starts fighting back against her. She only recovers with the help of the WL guards.
Defeats Kya in 13 seconds flat once he starts fighting back against her. She only recovers with the help of the WL guards.
With a combination of flight and poison, he defeated AS Korra.
With a combination of flight and poison, he defeated AS Korra.

Ghazan

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Ghazan is the earthbending master of the Red Lotus, and a master lavabender. In fact, he essentially invented it (some avatars did it before him, but they bent pre-existing lava, rather than create their own). In terms of sheer destructive output, Ghazan right near the top of the avatarverse.

Earthbending

While Ghazan isn't an incredible pure earthbender, he's still quite respectable, especially in the field of boulder negation.

Negates a boulder mid-air.
Negates a boulder mid-air.
Negates a boulder, then uses the shield/redirect move.
Negates a boulder, then uses the shield/redirect move.
Smacking down Dai Li with their own gloves.
Smacking down Dai Li with their own gloves.
Destroys Bolin's earth wall.
Destroys Bolin's earth wall.
Creates a large ground attack against Kya and Bumi.
Creates a large ground attack against Kya and Bumi.

Lavabending

Scale

In terms of sheer scale, lavabending is hard to beat, especially because of how it spreads out over time.

Ghazan covers most of a room with a few gestures.
Ghazan covers most of a room with a few gestures.
In about thirty seconds, there's so much lava that large chunks are falling off the mountainside.
In about thirty seconds, there's so much lava that large chunks are falling off the mountainside.
And in only a few minutes, the entire Northern Air temple is falling apart, despite the fact that Ghazan is no longer present and actively increasing the amount of lava.
And in only a few minutes, the entire Northern Air temple is falling apart, despite the fact that Ghazan is no longer present and actively increasing the amount of lava.
Creates a large AOE lava moat in seconds.
Creates a large AOE lava moat in seconds.
Destroys a large cave.
Destroys a large cave.
Destroys part of Ba Sing Se's inner wall.
Destroys part of Ba Sing Se's inner wall.

Lavabending Techniques

Turning the ground underneath Bumi to lava.
Turning the ground underneath Bumi to lava.
Lava geyser.
Lava geyser.
Basic lava blasts in combat.
Basic lava blasts in combat.
Lava waterfall.
Lava waterfall.
Large, curving lava attack.
Large, curving lava attack.
Lava shuriken.
Lava shuriken.
Lava meteors.
Lava meteors.
Reversing an earthbending attack with lavabending.
Reversing an earthbending attack with lavabending.

Physical Abilities

Speed and Agility

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While he's not on the level of his teammates Zaheer and Ming Hua, Ghazan is still respectably fast and agile.

Jumps over his own lava attack.
Jumps over his own lava attack.
Earth pillars himself over his own lava attack as Bolin is cooling it.
Earth pillars himself over his own lava attack as Bolin is cooling it.
Briefly turns into the Flash and arrives at Bolin's location just after his boulder does.
Briefly turns into the Flash and arrives at Bolin's location just after his boulder does.
Sends three Dai Li gloves back at them.
Sends three Dai Li gloves back at them.
Dodges lava attacks from Bolin.
Dodges lava attacks from Bolin.
Does a cartwheel and a somersault while dodging an attack from a WL waterbender.
Does a cartwheel and a somersault while dodging an attack from a WL waterbender.
Dodging a large earthbending attack from Bolin.
Dodging a large earthbending attack from Bolin.
Dodges a boulder from poisoned AS Korra.
Dodges a boulder from poisoned AS Korra.

Durability

Ghazan doesn't have a ton of durability feats (although he had some good ones against Mako and Bolin), however he is exactly as durable as Zaheer (who I posted feats for above) and Ming Hua, based on this feat:

All three of them recovered from the exact same attack at the exact same time.
All three of them recovered from the exact same attack at the exact same time.

Track Record

While he only had a few fights, his track record against named opponents was respectable.

Curbstomped pre-lavabending Bolin in their first fight.
Curbstomped pre-lavabending Bolin in their first fight.
Beat end of season 3 Bolin in their second fight.
Beat end of season 3 Bolin in their second fight.
Stomped Old Zuko with a couple rocks.
Stomped Old Zuko with a couple rocks.

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#3 Posted by foxerdes (10408 posts) - - Show Bio

Lookin good.

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#4 Posted by Amendment50 (15827 posts) - - Show Bio

Zaheer is a badass, and yet him sucking seems to be the only thing @anthp2000 and @oparu ever agreed on.

Good work on the RT.

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#5 Posted by cpt_nice (10075 posts) - - Show Bio

Zaheer is probably the most underrated LOK character out there.

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#7 Posted by SirNeko (4397 posts) - - Show Bio

@amendment50: Zaheer is more overhyped by Avatar fans then Doomsday is by DC fans.

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#8 Posted by noobsnowman (3687 posts) - - Show Bio

Zaheer, one of the greatest characters in Avatar being represented by one of the best viners on Avatar debating.

Great work.

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#9 Edited by Tektonic (1379 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow this is rad! I'm grateful you would take the time to do this. I'll link it onto the ladies respect thread later.

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#10 Edited by deactivated-597fe3e7af56f (2560 posts) - - Show Bio
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#11 Posted by ANTHP2000 (29535 posts) - - Show Bio

lol I'm seeing different threads I've never seeing before. They were created during my 1 month break from the vine and I suddenly see some of the hundred tags I had there.

Zaheer is a badass, and yet him sucking seems to be the only thing @anthp2000 and @oparu ever agreed on.

Meh, he sucks compared to the characters people usually pit him against, not overall.

Did Oparu think he sucks???

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#12 Posted by ANTHP2000 (29535 posts) - - Show Bio

@cpt_nice said:

Zaheer is probably the most underrated LOK character out there.

Overrated.

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#13 Edited by deactivated-597fe3e7af56f (2560 posts) - - Show Bio

I found some more feats for Zaheer:

Negates an airblast from Tenzin.
Negates an airblast from Tenzin.
Nice AOE move.
Nice AOE move.
Air amped throw. I do wish we'd seen more air amped grappling from Zaheer, but he does have a few feats.
Air amped throw. I do wish we'd seen more air amped grappling from Zaheer, but he does have a few feats.
If you look in the back ground, Zaheer does some sort of air wave move. Not sure what to call it.
If you look in the back ground, Zaheer does some sort of air wave move. Not sure what to call it.
Very nice agility showing from Zaheer.
Very nice agility showing from Zaheer.
Dodging shots from Tonraq.
Dodging shots from Tonraq.
Instantly recovers from a blast from Tenzin, then responds with a breakdance/dual airblades move.
Instantly recovers from a blast from Tenzin, then responds with a breakdance/dual airblades move.
Dodges an environmental attack from Tonraq.
Dodges an environmental attack from Tonraq.
Creates a massive vortex.
Creates a massive vortex.
Ragdolls a Zaofu guard into a pillar.
Ragdolls a Zaofu guard into a pillar.

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#14 Edited by deactivated-597fe3e7af56f (2560 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000

Just a reminder that this thread is where you should post your upcoming analysis/feats of Ghazan.

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#15 Edited by ANTHP2000 (29535 posts) - - Show Bio

@mial42: I'm going to make a thread with a list including Ghazan so no. I'm just gonna refer to this thread cause it's good.

EDIT: Though I can then post it here too I guess. It's just that you'll see for yourself why I cannot separate the characters into different individual threads. It wouldn't work because of direct comparisons and reasoning for their ranking and their abilities.

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#16 Edited by Itachus17 (3730 posts) - - Show Bio

@amendment50 said:

Zaheer is a badass, and yet him sucking seems to be the only thing @anthp2000 and @oparu ever agreed on.

Good work on the RT.

Zaheer is a great character, but i would also say he gets often overestimated as fighter especially with flight actually.

With that being said, very nice work @mial42