AVATAR: LEAST NONBENDERR RANKING 3 (READ OP!!!)

Jet should go honestly

@aystarr: Would Tokuga have been eligible for this one since he technically isn't a bender and have some pretty decent feats?

Sokka, then Jet.

Sokka, you're my favorite character left in this list. But you're still the weakest.

Why everyone saying jet goes next. I think he has some feats that others on the list haven't showed

Jet is out tbh, he never does exceptionally well against benders like Ty Lee, Mai, and Asami. He only fought Zuko when he wasn’t even bending

Yes but he's comic based so no inclusion

@byondeon: @emmafrostxmen: If jet goes before sokka, I will riot!

Sokka tbh, then Asami

Jet should definitely go..

Compared to the rest, he is shit.

And lol at saying Asami should go after Sokka.. She is in the top 4 at least. I would have her top 3 after Ty Lee and Suki

Sokka, then Jet. Jet was able to stalemate a nonbending Zuko, who easily bested Sokka with a sword. Although Sokka's boomerang skills are great, it can be dodged by someone agile and nimble enough as shown by Mai (who is nimble, but is no Ty Lee), and Jet was able to keep up with (an albeit jobbing) Aang.

Ty Lee wins obviously

Jet is out, Sokka matching his master after like a few days of training >>> matching Zuko.

Zuko was fighting seriously (albeit without bending). Piandao was merely testing Sokka, and was more focused on criticizing his technique than on actually beating him.

@quinlan58: Fair, I just feel that Sokka's versatility brings him higher, and he took out a few benders while Jet hasn't.

@thespartanb345t: Versatility definitely gives Sokka a boost, but Jet was more than capable of taking out benders. See his fight at the beginning of Book 1 Episode 10. Obviously, those were easy fodder, but he is capable of taking on benders.

Jet fought a non bending Zuko the same that took on a fire nation army. I think he can at the very least beat Mai.

Asami should not be going until the top 3 or 4, she effortlessly defeated like 4 chi blockers and 1 Individual chi blocker was already capable of fighting Korra in h2h. Asami has also defeated benders before which is more than I can say for Jet, Sokka, and even Suki

Ty Lee is obviously going to win this, she defeated like 12 high caliber earth benders in seconds

@bigdreamer48: @bigdreamer48: @thespartanb345t: @mrgetmebodied: @emmafrostxmen: @quinlan58:

Lol,no, suki has a better track record against benders than asami, she took down all those guards effortlessly in the boiling rock, same goes for mai, she had no problems, jet took down dai li members that mako and bolin were struggling to beat, asami couldn't do anything on the train when that fodder began to metalbend at her , shes definitely lower imo.

@aystarr: You honestly say that Jet and Mai are better than Asami?

Mai is useless without her throwing weapons and Jet have no real good feats. He couldn't even beat Zuko, who at the time was not even close to a master martial artist, and Zuko was literally dancing around him.

Here are some nice feats from Asami:

She is hillariously underrated...

@byondeon: while all these are impressive, they are really pale in comparison to the people she's being compared to, and i was talking about their fights against Benders anyway, book 1 mako and bolin were very weak and lacked real combat experience outside probending, jet took down dai li agents faster than book 3 mako and bolin who had more combat experience could, she was faster than the first metalbender but when one was finally able to launch an attack, she was completely helpless, her and the lieutenant should be goin next imo.

@byondeon said:

@aystarr: You honestly say that Jet and Mai are better than Asami?

Mai is useless without her throwing weapons and Jet have no real good feats. He couldn't even beat Zuko, who at the time was not even close to a master martial artist, and Zuko was literally dancing around him.

Here are some nice feats from Asami:

She is hillariously underrated...

Totally agree with this. For asami

The only thing he really did was hitting the Dai Li's projectiles... And running towards a Dai Li agent AFTER he had shot a projectile which Jet destroyed. And didn't move while Jet was closing in and sliding to grab a Dai Li agent by the leg and trip him. Other than that, he has not done anything that would put him near a Dai Lo agent.

He has some good showings, but those are mainly while he has been in his element, a forest. He has acrobatic skills, but his skills are mostly where his swords is useful. In the forest, he has high mobility thanks to his swords being able to grab the tree branches and he can swing while also using the backside of his swords to climb.

His fighting skill is mostly beating some fire nation fodder with 0 skills.

I don't know what make Mako and Bolin weak, when even Amon has stated that Mako was a talented Bender. Also What make probending not "real" combat. Sure it's a sport, but They are still going up against tough opponent, that's like saying a cage fighter doesn't have real combat experience.

As for Jet taking down the Dai li, He took out one agent, while Mako and Bolin was fighting three Dai li at once with one being the leader.

And when you talk about Asami being help less against a metal bender are you talking about on the train. Cause there was nothing she could do or any other non bender could. The setting was not set up in her favor.

@byondeon:

@mrgetmebodied said:

@byondeon said:

@aystarr: You honestly say that Jet and Mai are better than Asami?

Mai is useless without her throwing weapons and Jet have no real good feats. He couldn't even beat Zuko, who at the time was not even close to a master martial artist, and Zuko was literally dancing around him.

Here are some nice feats from Asami:

She is hillariously underrated...

Totally agree with this. For asami

First, Read the rules, they have their base gears and apart from that, Mai has also showed strength and manhandled soldiers without her bending before, Mai was the one that was actually underrated!, I never said jet was better than her, I said jet has better showings against benders than she does , jet was keeping up with aang's evasion and combat speed, he stalemate zuko who is >> than any nonbender Asami fought, he was beating dai like agents that were able to capture book 2 Zuko even with his bending, I dont want to say this is canon but it was very obvious that the lieutenant had no idea how good asami was when he proceeded to attack her, I personally think he would have done better against her. I used to hold Asami very high before but after rewatching lok again and comparing her feats to the ladies of tla, they were quite subpar.

@aystarr: You replied to the wrong person I think

I said book 1 mako and bolin, they weren't weak in terms of talent and power, they were weak in terms of real battle experience like book 1 katara, still strictly sticking with their probending match style, that's why lieutenant was able to give them trouble,

-Probending had rules they had to follow, yeah the battle was 3 on 3, mako Bolin Kai Vs the agents, jet still took his agent out faster than the brothers could, and the dai li maintained a consistent power scale throughout the franchise so the feat cant be reduced to pis.

And when you talk about Asami being help less against a metal bender are you talking about on the train. Cause there was nothing she could do or any other non bender could. The setting was not set up in her favor.

-No, there was, Mai won after being surrounded by FN soldiers, same for tylee with earth soldiers., she just couldn't figure one out.

I can't wait for the later rankings...

@aystarr:

First, Read the rules, they have their base gears and apart from that, Mai has also showed strength and manhandled soldiers without her bending before, Mai was the one that was actually underrated!

Mai is not underrated. She is skilled with throwing weapons and can actually handle herself well. But she lacks in actual marital arts skills and can get taken down by Katara, who at the time had not shown to be even close to a master. She lacks speed and skill in other areas than throwing weapons to make her a contender for top 5.

I never said jet was better than her, I said jet has better showings against benders than she does , jet was keeping up with aang's evasion and combat speed,

He can keep up in terms of speed but he was literally being toyed with (Aang was not going even 5% of what he could do) the first time they had a fight. Not to mention that Jet literally had an advantage in that they were in a forest with giant trees, where Jet's sword works the best. He was also WAY more familiar with the area and Aang was trying not to fight him. Katara literally stomped him though.

he stalemate zuko who is >> than any nonbender Asami fought,

This is just straight up lies. Zuko in terms of skill would most likely be close to an Equalist, AFTER EoS

he was beating dai like agents that were able to capture book 2 Zuko even with his bending,

He was not, he was literally just destroying their projectiles. They are not hard to avoid or destroy.

I dont want to say this is canon but it was very obvious that the lieutenant had no idea how good asami was when he proceeded to attack her,

He had literally intimate knowledge of Hiroshi's family. She was known to be a good fighter even before you saw her skills in the show.

I personally think he would have done better against her.

Definitely not. Asami would kick his ass anytime. She would kick Zuko's ass anytime as well if Zuko couldn't firebend.

I used to hold Asami very high before but after rewatching lok again and comparing her feats to the ladies of tla, they were quite subpar.

She doesn't have the most feats, clearly. But all her feats are above that of most fighters in the verse. She would literally school everyone here besides Ty Lee and Suki. I could see scenarios where Suki would most likely go down as well.

In terms of physical strength, I would say she isn't above half here, but her skill, speed and her agility makes up for that rather nicely.

@mrgetmebodied said:

@aystarr said:

@byondeon: while all these are impressive, they are really palebin comparison to the people she's being compared to, and i was talking about their fights against Benders anyway, book 1 mako and bolin were very weak and lacked real combat experience outside probending, jet took down dai li agents faster than book 3 mako and bolin who had more combat experience could, she was faster than the first metalbender but when one was finally able to launch an attack, she was completely helpless, her and the lieutenant should be goin next imo.

I don't know what make Mako and Bolin weak, when even Amon has stated that Mako was a talented Bender. Also What make probending not "real" combat. Sure it's a sport, but They are still going up against tough opponent, that's like saying a cage fighter doesn't have real combat experience.

Bolin was actually an amazing bender, this feat is fooking fantastic:

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Bolin while in the air, counterattacks with 2 disks. Note this was an off balance Bolin.

Claiming that Bolin and Mako wasn't skilled in season one is just ridonculous. Also, this is Bolin in book 1:

I don't know why people downplay them so much. They were very skilled in season 1, though there are ofc better benders out there, but they are seriously some of the most impressive Earth and fire benders in the shows.

As for Jet taking down the Dai li, He took out one agent, while Mako and Bolin was fighting three Dai li at once with one being the leader.

He also blocked several gauntlet projectiles coming his way, however we have seen people dodge/destroy them before with ease so it's not really that hard.

And when you talk about Asami being help less against a metal bender are you talking about on the train. Cause there was nothing she could do or any other non bender could. The setting was not set up in her favor.

Asami was literally attacked by the second metalbender AFTER she had just taken out one. She was on a narrow path (on the train) while doing so. The first one she was fast enough to beat, not allowing him to attack, the second one iirc, was taking her out before she had stepped back from the attack, taking her off balance.

The Krew (team Avatar) get's downplayed a lot even though they are some of the most impressive benders in the universe. I would say that in terms of skill for example, Mako is above Zuko, but lacks the power to contend. While Bolin might not be the most skilled Earthbender but he is top 4 most powerful Earthbenders in the verse.

@aystarr: Oh, and btw, do you mind us plugging threads in these or are you against that?

Don't want to do that if you are not ok with it.

@aystarr: You’re tripping dude. Asami defeated Chi Blockers relatively effortlessly. The same chi blockers that outskilled Korra and Mako. Chi Blockers are therefore not featless....yet the boiling rock prison guards are as a matter of fact featless

Suki’s best feat is not getting destroyed by Ty Lee in seconds like most other people. I’ll agree Suki can probably beat Asami after Ty Lee trained them all in chi blocking, but before that they are probably about equal.

Also seriously you said “a guy was metal bending at her and she couldn’t do anything”. Yes of course she couldn’t lol they were on a train and he uplifted the ground, no non bender that isn’t Ty Lee would have been able to escape that situation.

@byondeon: Nice feat for Bolin, forgot all about it.

With these ranks is it more about skill, or power overall, cause with Asami's electric glove I can see her beating Suki, cause Suki has metal weapon's and armor.

@mrgetmebodied: This is what @aystarr clarified for me in another thread (the waterbending one) Please correct me if I'm wrong!:

"It's actually about who is the least effective when against/compared the others."

Your point is still important to consider though. W/o her gauntlet, Asami is less effective, although still pretty impressive. Basically, their overall competence.

Edit: Standard gear is included, so Asami has her glove.

But literally Asami would beat them all with her Gauntlet. And since it's standard gear, the gauntlet IS her standard gear. It's like Sokka's boomerang and club and sword.. She has it on her at all time (not literally).

And she would be able to easily dodge and weave her way through these players without the gauntlet. Honestly, the Gauntlet is mostly used by her as a finishing move.

@byondeon: Never said it wasn't in her standard gear, and never said she wouldn't beat any of the others. I was just answering the other person's question by saying that had Asami's gauntlet not been included, she would likely be a bit lower.

I agree she should definitely be higher than some people are suggesting, and she is really skilled, but I don't want to put her first because of her gauntlet. I think that Ty Lee is overall more skilled in H2H and agility, and Mai could incapacitate her if they start from a distance. She should be top 4-ish for sure (depending on where Piandao is placed).

@bigdreamer48: She wouldn't be lower. She is still above most in terms of skill and acrobatics. The only thing would be she wouldn't beat them as fast. My point was the even without the gauntlet, she would still be top 3.

I can't see her beating Ty Lee and Suki I see she can actually 50/50.

I don't think Mai is actually going to be a problem, unless Mai attack her when she is unaware.

There was someone in the previous poll where someone posted a feat for Piandao taking out 100 Fire Nation soldiers on his own (not sure if benders or not) but don't know if the OP allowed that feat or not. That would honestly put him above most I think.

@byondeon:

I said likely be a bit lower since Asami would have less of a KO mechanism when fighting others without her gauntlet. Mai without knives would be much lower, but you're right that even without it, it doesn't any skill she actually has away at all. I think she should at leastbe in the top 5 whether she has her gauntlet or not, but some people might consider no weapons a bigger factor (which does not apply her, or what I was trying to tell that person I responded to first).

IDK how people are deciding how to vote, but the person I was responding to said Asami might be able to beat Suki with the Gauntlet, so I said that gear something for consideration, then edited that Asami does have her gauntlet.

I agree that she does not beat Ty Lee or Suki, but Mai is a huge problem. She has dead accuracy, and literally almost no one (except Comics Azula) was able to dodge her knives. They can be blocked, but Asami's gauntlet won't do as well against that.

Piandao fought off 100 soldiers, but I don't know if it was benders or not. But since everything is being taken into consideration, including status and hype, so I think it's allowed (unless Aystarr says no). I personally think (except maybe for Ty Lee) that he has the most skill, but maybe would not fare well against some others due to the specific style of swordsmanship, like Lieutenant and Asami (because of their tech), so that would put him a bit lower.

Lol, literally no WTH are you even saying, she can't beat almost no one here without her gear, all her best feats are with her gloves, without them she can't one-shot anyone like she does regularly in combat, you're overrating her big time.

Yes.

The FN prison guards are still FN nation soldiers, they don't have onscreen feats but they have implied ones, we literally see capable benders( not top tier ) being afraid or getting captured by FN soldiers multiple times.

She defeated them with oneshots (doesn't matter but that should be pointed out)

Suki was bent/bended at with no gear in an enclosed space but still worked her way through it, I'm not holding that feat against her, just pointing out that the others have done well in similar situations. Mai and Tylee found a way also. Her tech/weapon of choice has always been a pass for her but when things comes down to abilities, she isn't at the top and definitely not the best with and without it.

WTH, I never said that she one-shots them. She outskill them. She has the strength to actually KO them while she has the acrobatics and martial arts skills to beat them.

She one-shots them with her Gauntlet when she get in close. But she WILL get in close to them, as her skills is above most here.

@aystarr: And is it OK to plug a fight here or is it not OK (have to do with LoK but not really non-benders)?

I won't do it if you are against it, as I want to respect your wishes..

@byondeon:

WTH, I never said that she one-shots them. She outskill them

That's my point, she one-shots her opponents to win them, she's never fought someone above fodder level with her superior skill, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that she outskills the people here from when they've shown more than she has in that aspect.

And is it OK to plug a fight here or is it not OK (have to do with LoK but not really non-benders)?

I won't do it if you are against it, as I want to respect your wishes..

I don't exactly understand what you want to do but since im deleting the thread anyways, okay I guess.

Mako is above Zuko, but lacks the power to contend. While Bolin might not be the most skilled Earthbender but he is top 4 most powerful Earthbenders in the verse.

I really wonder how you come to these conclusions sometimes

how is mako above Zuko, Zuko is literally better than him in all aspects of pure firebending, and physicals , the only thing mako has above him is lightning which isn't even powerful when coming from him. I can see bolin being top 4 Considering that he probably became better than ghazan at lava.

@aystarr:

That's my point, she one-shots her opponents to win them, she's never fought someone above fodder level with her superior skill, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that she outskills the people here from when they've shown more than she has in that aspect.

She has literally not shown to ever be outskilled by anyone so far in the show. She has shown physically able to contend with those here as well. She have not as much feats as some here but she definitely have the skill and power behind her to beat them. If you see the actual fights she has, she just use her glove as a finisher, because it's faster. She also usually wait for an opening to use her glove.

I really wonder how you come to these conclusions sometimes

how is mako above Zuko, Zuko is literally better than him in all aspects of pure firebending, and physicals , the only thing mako has above him is lightning which isn't even powerful when coming from him. I can see bolin being top 4 Considering that he probably became better than ghazan at lava.

Ok so what I mean is that Mako, while he is definitely not as powerful, he has shown to be more skilled in terms of the way he utilize the element.

The difference between them would be that Zuko more often than not rely on his superior power over his opponents (Zuko have skill no doubt but this is not something that he really display compared to the more technical fire benders such as Azula and Mako). While Mako rely more on skill than power (he has power but that is not what he rely on when fighting). He incorporate more martial arts into his fights than Zuko does and he is more precise in his attacks but does not use as powerful attacks.

He dodge and counterattacks more so than Zuko who usually go on the offensive off the bat and relying on overwhelm his opponents.

Zuko would beat Mako in a fight though as his power would be too much for Mako in the end, though Mako would definitely put up a good fight.

At the end of season 4, sure Bolin was probably better than Ghazan in lavabending though Ghazan probably have some of the best feats in terms of power. Bolin is underrated to all hell tbh...

Beating Mako and Bolin in season 1 is not something that Jet would do.

I would honestly say that Tokuga is better with the Jet swords than Jet was. But that might be my bias towards Tokuga.

This may be a bit off Topic, but I think Mako can beat Zuko. HIs lighting is actually very powerful and he has the most skills with it as well, He has reacted to explosions faster than Zuko, can use Jet propulsion, And has fire power that can compete with Zuko.

I would say that yes, Mako CAN win. However Zuko would take more wins than him. Not only is there a difference in power, but Mako's superior skill and mobility will be overwhelmed by Zuko's sheer power. Not to mention that Zuko can redirect lightning, which tbf, Mako can as well. But Lightning would not really be useful as Zuko can simply deal with it.

However the speed and skill bridge the gap between the 2.

Are you saying Mako is faster?