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Zaheer just doesn't have the skill, or power of the others. He has enough study of air bending to achieve flight, but it doesn't really translate to over all skill. Comparing zaheer to any of the ones left is like Hermione Granger to Severus Snape. One of is well studied and knowledgeable, but the others just have more experience, skill, and power.

Zaheer can’t keep up. Bye bye

Zaheer, then Korra, then Tenzin, then Aang

Couldn't have said it better myself. He is a knowledgeable fighter, and that's why he does so well in fights, but the others are just more powerful and skillful with airbending than he is.

Korra. Zaheer is better than her.

Tenzin. Korra is a better airbender, and flight puts Zaheer above him.

Zaheer goes. Korra follows. Tenzin leaves later.

Zaheers only real improvement after losing to tenzin was flight and while it makes the match up closer, Tenzin won too decisively before for me to think flight gives Zaheer the win.

Aang > Korra > Tenzin > Zaheer.. Tho Jinora should have been above Tenzin and Zaheer but Zaheer get overrate to all hell thanks to flight..

I really can't see any reason as to why Korra > Tenzin

@zr2011: @bigdreamer48: @viking1205: @geekryan:Can korra with air only take on flight zaheer?, his advantages are being dismissed here.

Zaheer was moving almost comet-firejet speed in the final battle with korra lol, and was evading large AOE attacks only Ozai had shown also delivering precise and accurate airblasts.

With flight, he can keep up with almost all the top tiers in the verse that I don't see korra doing.

He's above her both in combat and aptitude, she should be the one going TBH, her charged airblast against the colo-mech is not enough to place her above him

With flight for Zaheer and Korra being restricted to airbending only, she probably can't win.

@geekryan: Exactly!!, I don't know why no one is seeing it.

You also voted him right??

I voted Zaheer but then looked at his feats again, and Korra's, and changed my mind. Can't change my vote though lol.

@aystarr: u should try to be impartial instead of pushing everyone to vote your way

Korra has more power and is actually trained. Her technique, while unorthodox, is incredibly effective. She was so comfortable with airbending that it became her dominant element. Zaheer can fly but he’s a worse air bender in every other way

Then rewatch season 2 forward.. And you will see. Also, read the comics.

I have read the comics. Outside of the AS, Korra has no feats to put her above Tenzin.

Lol, like as if that's gonna happen, I do vote and make arguments also just like everyone else, me being the op doesn't mean I can tilt anything to my favor , for example, this, you can clearly see zaheer is on the losing edge which I'm not for, and it has happened alot in others also, I'm just making a case like everyone else does, I hope that's clear .

The only way I can be impartial is if I don't participate, and I shouldn't participate unless I'm a judge or something like that, but the votes are shown and I don't decide anything and even though I'm op, I'm still a participant, lol.

Korra power is the only advantage she has and it's not even that much, she doesnt make up for the sheer aptitude and mastery zaheer has for the element.

- her mobility with air is below his, her airspout was struggling in speed with DA unalaq, zaheer was outspeeding AS korra, far better mobility and speed than hers, korra has no AOE attack (with air) that zaheer cannot evade, he also has a faster attack speed and also precise/accurate attacks, he can easily nigh-spam her with attacks like he did with AS korra and she'll get overwhelmed.

Her best bet is her slightly superior power but still it would be effortless as zaheer has resisted power attacks (air) that's above hers.

@geekryan said:

This, she has more feats but not ones that are above tenzin's

But also, I was conversing about this with @mialthefencer: the other day, and he did show comparable power and potency feat between korra and tenzin, and I think it's common knowledge that she has the better physicals,

My opinion could change if I see more skilled/precise air attacks from korra, that's what holding her back IMO, if she has that then she should be able to replicate most if not all of tenzins feat, but she tends to rely on raw power Most of the time which doesnt stack up overall.

@zr2011:

If you're talking about this then I wasn't trying to push the vote my way, I was just asking since they contradicted themselves in two comments.

She HAS feats that put him to shame.. He is more precise with his airbending, however Korra's power and skill in fighting is above Tenzin..

@aystarr:

My opinion could change if I see more skilled/precise air attacks from korra, that's what holding her back IMO, if she has that then she should be able to replicate most if not all of tenzins feat, but she tends to rely on raw power Most of the time which doesnt stack up overall.

This is pretty skilled and precise:

Individualized and passively maintained, even when Asami leaves and she has to fight Tokuga. Tenzin had to actively maintain a single group bubble in a similar situation when in the Equalist police station.

And then there's this, where she's creating a vacuum with airbending. The only other person to do this is Zaheer, and his is much slower and not nearly as large.

And her airspout feats are much better then Tenzin's as well.

Korra, then Zaheer, then Tenzin, then Aang

@aystarr: Flight really only gives Zaheer more mobility and speed. I personally think it's overrated. It gives him a range advantage against most people, and gives him the option to run away, but Korra can actually win fights against other faster benders, and has better defense (blocked an explosion) than Zaheer does. While Zaheer may be able to beat her in a fight, I think she has more technique when it comes to airbending itself because Zaheer kind of just blasts people when it's convenient. Mial posted a lot of feats that have convinced me of Korra's airbending capabilities, and although Zaheer is quite good for a rookie airbender, I don't think he's a master of the element itself, more so a master fighter instead, which Korra is too by EoS and Comics).

@mialthefencer:

for the first scan , I don't know if you're talking about the first feat or the second

But in the first one,Tokuga was distracted and the attack was charged

While the second feat is impressive, it's still not combat related ,this could be compared to katara's feat of creating water umbrella or bending soup, while they do showcase some form of mastery, they are not applicable in combat settings or even most settings and can't be used as a decisive factor .

- korra's asphyxiation attack was also charged as shown in the full scan, this won't be applicable against tenzin who is also a powerful airbender and anyone with relatively high speed, her asphyxiation is also not as impressive as Zaheer's, zaheer's technique is much more accurate/precise and controlled as he creates a more detailed vacuum and also draws air from their lungs literally taking their breath away as shown when air leaves his victim's mouth, korra created a charged aoe vacuum which is good but not as skillful as zaheers.

- in conclusion, after seeing her best feats, like I said before, she doesn't have battle applicable skill and precision and definitely not one that can begin to compare with tenzin's, her comparable power gap in relation to tenzin's doesnt make up for his combat skill/ precision and battle feats over her.

First of all, I don't think it's confirmed that korra is a master or zaheer is not one by EOS/comics

- I do agree that korra has more showing of techniques than zaheer, but zaheer has had her beat in any similar technique they possess and also has the better aptitude. And most importantly,

Even though she has more, Zaheer's techniques/ skillset is more useful against her and in any combat scenario generally,

The mobility and speed that flights gives him is superior to hers, most of her techniques would be useless in a battle against him, is she gonna use an airshield against someone who wouldn't even play with close range combat?, or what AOE attack is she gonna send to him that he doesn't have feat of dodging/resisting?, let's not forget he has his own advantages like superior attack speed and accuracy, even with the very longe range he was able to land an attack on a moving AS korra . Also, air korra against other benders (top tier) is going to strrugle more than zaheer because she's going to have to factor more of her skillset and techniques in the battle to even pull a win compared to his easier long range position with nigh-spammable attacks which would be aided by his already top tier offensive advantage.

@aystarr: That's fair. I found it implied that she became a master since she stopped training with Tenzin, but you're right. It is not confirmed. A fight against Zaheer is going to be long lasting because of his mobility, I think we can both agree on that. I'm just not sure if he'll be able to put people down as fast as Korra might if he's keeping his distance and focusing on evading. I have been ranking these by how well the user works with the element itself with technique, and how they fight, not how they would fare in a fight against each other, because when it comes to 1 vs. 1, it is hard to determine who is the most powerful because some characters would do better against other characters in certain circumstances. Like I said, Korra has more technique, so I feel like she has a better overall mastery, but Zaheer is a better fighter than Korra with just air because of the mobility his flight gives him. Still voted for Zaheer because of the first reasoning that I agreed with.

I want to correct myself, we have seen Tenzin doing the airball but that was in season 1 and only once. Korra have done it several times and shown she is better at it.

@aystarr:

for the first scan , I don't know if you're talking about the first feat or the second

Sorry, I was talking about the air bubbles around her and Asami's head. It's a really good feat because she's maintaining them passively, even when Asami leaves and she starts fighting. Tenzin, by comparison, had to actively maintain his bubble at the police station during the Equalist attack.

It's not combat related, but she's already done almost everything he has and more besides in terms of combat, so I'm showing it as a demonstration of general mastery.

korra's asphyxiation attack was also charged as shown in the full scan, this won't be applicable against tenzin who is also a powerful airbender and anyone with relatively high speed,

It's charged, but it's perfectly combat applicable against benders as formidable as brainwashed Mako and Bolin, who are capable of putting Kuvira on the run. I doubt it would work on another airbender, but it seems incredibly useful against anyone else (especially firebenders... no firebending in a vacuum). And Mako and Bolin are fast; not as fast as the fastest characters in the verse, but still capable of keeping up with them,.

her asphyxiation is also not as impressive as Zaheer's, zaheer's technique is much more accurate/precise and controlled as he creates a more detailed vacuum and also draws air from their lungs literally taking their breath away as shown when air leaves his victim's mouth, korra created a charged aoe vacuum which is good but not as skillful as zaheers.

It may not be as skillful, but it's a lot more combat applicable.

- in conclusion, after seeing her best feats, like I said before, she doesn't have battle applicable skill and precision and definitely not one that can begin to compare with tenzin's, her comparable power gap in relation to tenzin's doesnt make up for his combat skill/ precision and battle feats over her.

My question is what battle applicable skills does Tenzin have that Korra doesn't? The main reason I could see putting Tenzin above Korra pre-comics is that he actually fought at a high level with airbending alone, while Korra never did, but Korra one shotting Mako and Bolin removes that argument from play. Now he's faced with someone who's got a lot more feats, better physicals, more raw power, comparable overall skill, and an even better combat record with the element.

Really don't see how Korra is considered better than Zaheer as an airbender. I probably missed something.

You did miss something.

@mialthefencer said:

@aystarr:

My question is what battle applicable skills does Tenzin have that Korra doesn't? The main reason I could see putting Tenzin above Korra pre-comics is that he actually fought at a high level with airbending alone, while Korra never did, but Korra one shotting Mako and Bolin removes that argument from play. Now he's faced with someone who's got a lot more feats, better physicals, more raw power, comparable overall skill, and an even better combat record with the element.

Tenzin doesn't really have any feats that Korra can't replicate. The only ones I can think of is these (and Korra should be able to do them, but she never showed doing anything like this):

Korra could do these, but have not really displayed any of these. So can't attribute them to her. But these are combat applicable and Korra have done nothing of them

Here are some feats fighting from Tenzin, wouldn't put these above Korra, but still impressive:

Tenzin is a badass not gonna lie

All GiF's are from here:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/avatar-respect-thread-tenzin-1873666/

Don't want to take credit when I didn't create them. Not sure where the RT user got them, if he made them himself but that is where I got them from at least.

Damn. When you put it that way, how could I possibly disagree.

It's impossible to disagree when I put it that way..

Truly. I think...I've now seen the light.

I always help people see the light. It's my gift to the world..

@byondeon:

All GiF's are from here:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/avatar-respect-thread-tenzin-1873666/

Don't want to take credit when I didn't create them. Not sure where the RT user got them, if he made them himself but that is where I got them from at least.

I made that RT lol. I made some of the gifs and found some others in Tenzin threads.

@mialthefencer: Lol, was a deactivated acc so was unsure exactly who made it. But gotta give credit where it's due.

Would you say those are above or below Korra's top feats?

@mialthefencer: Korra have one of the best Airbending feat in the show, tho it was in AS so doesn't count here:

@byondeon: @mialthefencer: well, since most of the scans have been shown, I wouldn't be using any.

- with these, I think what I said before plays here, Tenzin has more and better battlefeats than korra and her being able to replicate them is big time speculation when She hasn't shown most of these at all like twisters, airwheel and detailed airslices and the one she has shown has tenzin being superior like his nigh-psychic minispouts and his easier drawn airspouts, not to talk of battle application.

- Tenzin also has better skill and control in general as he is more refined and has displayed locomotive airbending.

@byondeon:

-The second feat(asphyxation) is clearly charged, it took 2-3 panels for the attack to form In the OG, read it again.

- tenzin has done the Airscooter before

- Kind of like Toph and Lin's seismicsense (not sure if these can be attributed to airbending, but I would bet on it). Then he use the fact he got tagged by the bolas and airspout them in the air and throw them away. All the while dodging a kick

- I think the term you're looking for is hypersensitivity and yes, it's attributed to airbending giving him better reflexes in and out of combat.( another thing korra hasn't shown)

If you're familiar with Korra's airbending catalogue than you should know she has already done everything Tenzin has and things he has never done.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/tenzin-vs-korra-air-fire-and-earth-2034851/?page=2

Furthermore Tenzin admitted at the end of S2 he had nothing else to teach her, so it's bizarre to suggest she isn't a master when he has her training new students in S3, unless of course you disagree with Tenzin's own opinion.

@byondeon:

Would you say those are above or below Korra's top feats?

I'd say they're below Korra's top feats (Colossus air blast, airspout against Unalaq, bomb-blocking, and asphyxiation are all better IMO).

@aystarr:

well, since most of the scans have been shown, I wouldn't be using any.

- with these, I think what I said before plays here, Tenzin has more and better battlefeats than korra

He definitely doesn't have more feats, and I don't think his feats are better either. Restricting feats purely to feats from fights with significant other benders removes some of Korra's best feats (Colossus airblast, bomb blocking) and all of Tenzin's best feats (airspout against chi-blockers, mecha-tank blast, opener against the Red Lotus). Korra still has her airspout against Unalaq and her asphyxiation as high-end combat feats, and her basic air amped agility and blasts are as good or better than Tenzin's.

and her being able to replicate them is big time speculation when She hasn't shown most of these at all like twisters,

If you mean the air cocoon he was in when he got blasted by P'li, you're right, but I don't see why that matters. Korra's airspout proved far better mobility:

airwheel and

Again, Korra's airspout is far superior.

detailed airslices

I'm not sure what this means, but it's not like Korra can't use detailed airblasts or air slices:

and the one she has shown has tenzin being superior like his nigh-psychic minispouts and his easier drawn airspouts,

Korra's air spout is far better in terms of speed and maneuverability:

not to talk of battle application.

Korra's used airbending effectively against Dark Avatar Unalaq and Kuvira, and outright one-shotted brainwashed Mako and Bolin. By comparison, it took Tenzin over four minutes to beat pre-Void Zaheer. Beating Zaheer and briefly standing up to the Red Lotus are good, but I just don't see them as better than (or even as good as) Korra's feats, let alone better by a such a margin as to outweigh Korra's physicals, power, mobility and technique advantages.

- Tenzin also has better skill and control in general as he is more refined and has displayed locomotive airbending.

I disagree that Tenzin's shown better control. Korra's breathing bubbles in the comic scan I posted as well as her vacuum creation is more control then Tenzin has shown. I'm not sure what locomotive airbending means, but Korra's air amped mobility is far beyond Tenzin's thanks to her spout.

I think the term you're looking for is hypersensitivity and yes, it's attributed to airbending giving him better reflexes in and out of combat.( another thing korra hasn't shown)

Hypersensitivity is very basic (Daw showed it after a week or so of training), so I think Korra probably has it just because of that. Korra's reflex feats are outright better than Tenzin's, so even if she doesn't have it, it doesn't make her slower in any way then he is.

@byondeon:

- As I said, some of themf are not applicable to Korra seeing as she has not performed some of the moves. But then again, I also THINK that she COULD do it if she DECIDES to learn it. She has shown most feats Tenzin have tho. He has not shown anything superior in terms of Airbending, besides the ones shown that she has not performed.

- Think,could,decide, all these are still speculations and headcanons, she hasn't shown any of these and doesnt have any similar/relatable feats that shows she can, which are facts and all that matters.

It's like saying since Kai hasn't learn flight yet, but you think he could If he decides to learn it so because of that he's better than zaheer. Which would be invalid in any measurement of prowess or battle.

This is not the case. Korra have better controll of the things they can both do. Korra have better airscooter, she have better spouts, she have better offensive attacks and not to mention her defense I would argue is above Aang.

-False!, this is the case as control is an important factor of bending prowess under any condition, korra does not have better control, her airscooter is comparable to tenzin's children own which is also comparable to tenzin's own, there is no feat or showing that suggests that.

Korra does not have a better spout than tenzin, while korra has used it for mobility more than him, tenzin has created minispouts with almost zero movements and factored them into battles , and has also created large spouts with less effort than korra even under harder conditions, he has more variation in this than korra

Korra doesn't have better offensive attacks, tenzin outclasses her in this as well, clearly, tenzin has feats using air slices, Air waves, spout blasts, airblasts and constructed air or several occasions, this has more showings of precision and variation than korra's airblast and spoutblast which are her base attacks

I think you might be referring to her offense power in this, which she doesn't still have above tenzin as they are comparable, her largest and best subbending power feat was the one against the colossus which was a very charged attack, her base attacks still doesn't/ at most does compare to tenzin's Own of pushing mecha tanks back or sending them flying in the air with just one gesture, none of her base air attacks even stacks up to that but based On Comparison, They can be put on the same level in that aspect, not much difference for it to be a decisive factor for any of them.

What asphyxiation? You mean Bolin/Mako one? Yes that one was, not the airbubble on her and Asami tho. Neither the actual you know, thing that knocked Tokuga out when she entered the Airship, which he quickly got up from.

I didn't say the airbubble was charged , I said the asphyxiation was which is clearly right, and the spoutblast was but I stand corrected on that, I have been thinking the transition panel was an attack formation all along. It Still doesn't help her anyways.

- I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking at that last part but if it's korra's fight with DA unalaq, the only impressive thing I can thing I can think of is her airspout which tenzin has shown (but with no mobility tho) and her offense power which is nothing impressive compared to tenzin's own.

@mialthefencer:

I'm currently on Other things rn And I'm quite exhausted so I may not go in on everything but You Can check the comment above.

- we're still walking over the same points which is that korra has impressive feats but are mostly powerbased which won't matter when she's facing someone of roughly comparable power level. If we use an All feat Comparison to each other, it would end in inconclusive. There is a measurable power level to work on which would stand as the basis in this segment and the point is they're equals in this. Unless you think korra has a Very Large power advantage over tenzin .

If you mean the air cocoon he was in when he got blasted by P'li, you're right, but I don't see why that matters. Korra's airspout proved far better mobility:

Again, Korra's airspout is far superior

- All the moves I mentioned her was to shown tenzins superior precision and variation, korra's airspout isn't the answer to everything and if that's the only variation she has shown, it says a lot about her bending prowess In air compared to tenzin's.

Korra's air spout is far better in terms of speed and maneuverability:

Which I've admitted, you keep taking my statement out of context , how does her better mobility on airspout gives her superior skill over tenzin who has also created airspout Under more unfavorable conditions and Used different variations at that?.

-Korra's used airbending effectively against Dark Avatar Unalaq and Kuvira, and outright one-shotted brainwashed Mako and Bolin. By comparison, it took Tenzin over four minutes to beat pre-Void Zaheer. Beating Zaheer and briefly standing up to the Red Lotus are good, but I just don't see them as better than (or even as good as) Korra's feats, let alone better by a such a margin as to outweigh Korra's physicals, power, mobility and technique advantages.

I was talking To the user about the tendency of korra being able To replicate some feats she hasn't shown or seem to know, in a battle. Once again, it's been taken out of context, I didn't dismiss korra's own battlefeat. Also, you canNOT Use the time of the video as the time tenzins battle against zaheer was especially when it's filled with cutscenes, that's a reach and is invalid .

I disagree that Tenzin's shown better control. Korra's breathing bubbles in the comic scan I posted as well as her vacuum creation is more control then Tenzin has shown. I'm not sure what locomotive airbending means, but Korra's air amped mobility is far beyond Tenzin's thanks to her spout.

I meant mid-motion bending, and korra air bubble doesn't dismiss tenzins other feats of nigh-psychic bending and easier draw speed he has With body gestures.

Hypersensitivity is very basic (Daw showed it after a week or so of training), so I think Korra probably has it just because of that. Korra's reflex feats are outright better than Tenzin's, so even if she doesn't have it, it doesn't make her slower in any way then he is.

"probably" is speculation, that's invalid, basic or not, the fact is she doesn't have it and he does and it improves he's reflexes, tenzin already has top tier physical prowess, and hypersensitivity aids him, so it's still an advantage to him not only against her but in combat generally .