Attack Potency (AP) and Destructive Capacity (DC) are NOT the same thing.

There is a problem / lack of education I've been noticing about battles on comicvine.

Destructive Capacity is simply the capacity of a character to cause destruction

Attack Potency is the term used to determine the amount of damage a character can produce.

Flashier DC feats does NOT automatically = More Powerful.

Here, I've give an example....

Picture 1..

Pyskos Continent Slicer

Picture 2

A single punch from Vegeta

Which of the two looks visually more devastating and is more destructive to the environment?

Obviously, Pyskos

Which of the attack actually has more AP / raw power behind it?

Vegeta. Not even close.

I'll will give more examples of this.

@wushu59: What if someones DC is greater than their AP..?

Example 2

Piccolo's Moon Vaping Blast

Reccome's Island Vaping Eraser Gun

Which attack has more Destructive Capacity?

Piccolo's.

Which attack has more Attack Potency?

Reccome's. By 1000s of times, in fact.

Edit: 100's of times.

I don't think that is possible.

It's possible for their AP to be several times higher then DC like the examples I've shown though...

Generally the more concreted the attack is, the more powerful it will be

I can cause more visual damage to a tree with an axe

But a 9m bullet has more power behind it.

^

I'm trying to eliminate common misconceptions about this

Blow more stuff up does not automatically = stronger

What do you guys thinks of this?

Just to get a conversation going.

@zaelleaz@kasya_carey@bink_69@orangecrush81

@takenstew22@blazeking22

Ive always seen the difference between AP and DC as something like this:

If I took an axe and split a tree in half, that’s obviously more destructive

But a bullet packs more power and is more potent despite not being as destructive

@bink_69:

Exactly!

Most people people don't.

This is why many series that are more oriented towards AP then DC are so heavily underrated.

Bleach and Yu Yu Hakusho are examples of this

@ovy7@faradaysloth@dothetwist_@hydratedfubuki6@victoryz

One Piece is underrated as well

I'll show so more examples

Feel free to post your own examples guys

We can use this page as a reference point for vs battles in debates.

@wushu59: I feel like your attacking One punch man fans on vine

@haxmode:

I'm not attacking anything.

I'm just explaining why you shouldn't view everything from a surface level

It wasn't to single out OPM or anything like that

AP is a product of DC.

@cocacolaman:

Which has more AP?

A punch from Superman that only makes a small crater

or a Mountain Vaping Bijuu Bomb from Kurama?

The answer is a punch from Superman

Kurama's Bijuu Bomb has more DC and AOE (area of effect) then the punch

But not AP (Attack Potency)

This thread is nothing more than a way for people to get out of posting legitimate feats. Attack potency cant be quantified unless its stated or shown via DC therefore it's nothing but a guesstimation if it's not based off an on panel feat.

It's ironic that you mention bleach as well because their lacking feats in both areas whereas that's certainly not the case for YYH which has an abundance of showings in both regards.

Is Vegeta continental in his physical attacks at that point?

No.....its not, Kuramas BB's consistently erase hundreds if not thousands of miles of landmass instantly, Clark's punches on average arent even of mountain caliber more so closer to building to city level but can range to moon level.

You see this is the problem with this thread, you cant just assume a character is more powerful without anything to base it off of nor can you assume one attack is more powerful than another just because it was performed by a certain person that way of thinking is incredibly flawed.

@decaf_kage:

He's like beyond Solar System Level (Cell) at this point even in physical strikes when going all out.

Though, he obviously isn't using for full force in the picture

But you need an attack with at least Planetary+ amount of force to knock out a Super Sayian like Goten

I'm not posting this to this to wank Dragon ball or anything

It's just the first thing I could think of to use as an example

@wushu59: well I now his Energy attacks are and some people would argue his Energy=Physical I was just wondering if he actually had a physical continental feat.

Yup, Dragon Ball characters consistency fought long drawn out battles where they tank each others full power ki blast.

The characters at this point are so ridiculously above continental in durability that it's not even funny

Their physical strikes would have to be relative to there stats.

You have examples such as Namek Goku one shooting Ginyu Force who have above planetary durability and things like that

AP not being possible to quantify or calc is so laughably untrue that I can think of five real-world instances where it debunks that notion.

• Meteors that can destroy something island to large island actually pack continental to multi-continental worth energy (in joules)
• On average hurricanes produce over 12 gigatons of energy in a day. Yet cities are rarely leveled unlike a 21 kiloton bomb
• A .45 Colt bullet can carry hundreds of joules, a baseball can produce 162 joules, which is putting a bigger hole in the wall?
• Like hurricanes, earthquakes can produce country levels worth of energy with seismic moment energy, but yet still, nuclear bombs may be more "destructive"
• Just the concepts of stuff like pressure/psi

AP exists and it's about damn time we retire the whole gist of this site with "flashy feats first" since it's absolutely bullshit, the bias against AP only exists as a person knows that even with flashy DC feats, their fav character cannot contend with a fighter that's proven with canon+science to be the superior fighter.

@decaf_kage:

Here is more context to what I was saying in case you don't belive me or didn't understand.

This is Saiyan Saga Vegeta surviving a planetary ki clash.

(Vegeta was going to wipe out Earth with his Galic Gun)

And this a much stronger version of Goku on shotting a a Ginyu Force member with strikes.

This Ginyu Force member is much superior to Saiyan Saga Vegeta in every stat,

I could also argue that like things like Kakashi's Lightning Blade are much more potent then Part 1 Valley of End Sasuke's Fire Ball Jutsu.

Despite not having have as much DC or Area of effect

It was able to pierce Kakuzu, who was implied to have tanked a Two Tails Bijuu Bomb.

Yeah, AP =/= DC is something very true

Agreed. Always funny seeing people cap stuff like a TBB vaping a mountain at just “mountain level”. As if breaking a rock & turning it into another form of matter is the same thing.

THANK YOU

MY GOD

I HATE that a lot of people don't seem to realize this

DC is just the AOE of your AP

But they don't always correlate

You can have freaking WALL LVL DC but your AP can be fu*king Universal or even OUTERVERSAL

People need to stop only thinking, "Big Boom matters only"

Yeah, good post

I was explaining this a couple of days ago with Younger Toguro

He only has like Town Level DC but bare minimum Multi-Island in Attack Potency

A punch from Superman still have more DC than Bijuu bomb..

@byondeon:

If Superman punches the ground and only a crater is caused, that isn't more DC then a Bijuu Bomb.

I thought this was common knowledge.

Yes, as the punch still have the DC far greater than the bomb.

@byondeon:

Do you even know what DC means?

Yes. I know the difference. What I said is still correct..

@byondeon:

You obviously don't know the difference if you think causing a crater is more DC then vaping a mountain

DC = Destructive Capacity (damage to the environment)

AP = Attack Potency (How much the damage the attack actually causes)

AP is basically DC but focused on a single objective.

This thread is perfect. I'd only highlight one thing. Hopefully a trap isn't being set where people think that the AP "must" equal at minimum the DC shown. The idea DC can't be greater than the AP makes sense. But that's compared to the "actual" AP.. not the "perceived" AP. As animefreak said.. DC is the "AOE" of the AP. That's 100% correct. If you take a mountain sized "AOE" attack that destroys a mountain of rock. People say the DC is mountain level. People "also" say the AP "must" at least be mountain level. It's not true. Just as how mass is a "multiplier" in force. It's a dividend to AP as once again.. for you to factor the AOE of something you are "necessarily" so, "spreading" the force.. DIVIDING the force/potency "across" the AOE. So take that mountain sized AOE blast that destroyed the mountain of rock. Is it mountain level DC? Yes. Is it mountain level AP. We don't know. There are other qualifiers and it "could" be as little as simply base rock level depending on where it blew up for it to take out the mountain amount of rock. Mathematically we could look at is as:

DC = amount of matter destroyed

AP = the amount of matter destroyed and to what degree the matter is destroyed (ie.vaporized, pulverized, etc.) "divided" by AOE of the attack

Now, this factors in 0 scaling so none of this means the AP "must" be this level but speaking in terms of what feats "show" here's some examples using above.

DC = mountain. Mountain = value of 100

AP = (mountain amount of matter destroyed) 100 "divided" by (Mountain AOE) 100 and without factoring in the degree of destruction for simplicity and that is a feat that "shows" an AP of 1% of the "TOTAL" DC. So the "total" AP as a value may be as high as the DC but is "spread" across the AOE such that the AP acting on any given thing is but 1%.

In contrast. Lets say someone busts the same sized mountain with a human sized fist. Hulk's is bigger but a feat like that.

DC "still" = mountain = 100

AP = (mountain amount of matter destroyed) 100 "divided" by (Hand AOE) .00000001 (made up value). This feat "shows" AP that is at least 10,000,000,000 times more "potent" than it's DC.

This is what it means to separate AP from DC and we have supporting feats and scaling to get it right.

@wushu59: Thank you for making this thread. My god, it's been hard explaining this very thing to so many people. People here are saying it's common knowledge. I wish it was common.

This is common knowledge

See you would think that but dudes act like this is new earth shattering info 💀

Cool.

Well yes but many people around here will argue diferenctly.

For example for wbh to destroy a planet withou even touching and vaporising people many times stronger than base hulk he would have to be veeeeeery far away from most heroes combined

I just want make note

I am not the guy that drew the smiley face on the first picture

@gaoron@alextheboss@mass@gangorca@eredin12@rengoku

Join in on the conversation : D

Can't say anything that hasn't already been said. People have a tough time separating DC from AP.

@wushu59: I agree with the concept, but Vegeta's punch on an off guard Gotenks doesn't automatically have more potency.

Also Recoome's attack isn't thousands of times more potent. His power level was only about 100x Piccolo's.