Are DCEU Aquaman, Steppenwolf and Superman now lightning timers?

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And by extension: Zod, Faora, Nam Ek, Batman

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#2  Edited By nn5

They might be. I expect there would be no point in making MCU/DCEU threads without speed equalized in future.

But Batman isn't.

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You forgot Parademons.

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Obviously, why wouldn't they.

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#5  Edited By The_Kidd

Flash, Superman, Steppenwolf & Doomsday might be via scaling. When has Aquaman shown be on WW level regarding speed?

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Sure, other than Batman since he's got no explicit superpowers.

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#7  Edited By Whofartedloud

FLASH AND SUPERMAN BY SCALING.

they clearly can statue mcu thor and the hulk.

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Tf are you stupid or something? Why are you even questioning if Superman's a lightning timer when he's as fast as Flash and even in MoS could zip across the earth in seconds

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There’s no reason to assume Aqua and Stepps have equal speed to Wondie.

Supes and Flash are lightning timers based on their own feats without the need for scaling.

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#11  Edited By rajjarsalt

No.

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the same alter keeps bringing up mcu due to this insecurities ofc

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We don't know the context yet but if the WW84 feat is legit, yes. And Batman would be MFTL.

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@boc:

True and even black manta since he kept up with Aquaman on the submarine..

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@the_hajduk: Steppenwolf consistently kept up with her in the fight so why he doesn't scale? Not sure if the scaling should extend to Aquaman though.

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#16  Edited By deltahuman

Flash doesn't need scaling to be faster than lightning. He is a speedtster in his own right who travels faster than the lightning he generates from his body.

Superman already was high hypersonic in his previous movies. His fight with flash was legit, others like Diana and Arthur being essentially statued while he and flash moved and fought. He probably can travel faster than lightning too if he wishes. It's just that hyperspeed isn't the only thing he can do so outright statuing opponents isn't his first move everytime. But he can do it, like he did it against Steppenwolf.

Diana lightning timed or aim blocked lightning in her solo movie, depending on who you ask. She has consistently been portrayed to have transonic/supersonic speed from how she perceives and deals with bullets. If the feat from the trailer is legit then it probably would be a confirmation that she can at least react to lightning. Her travel speed will still not be hypersonic most probably but she most possibly can react to, dodge or absorb lightning making her essentially immune to small lightning bolts.

I can't speak for Steppenwolf. His feats were too vague. He did essentially catch Mach 1.3 Hellfire missiles fired at him and fought fast enough to deny Diana any speed advantage but I think Steppenwolf's speed should be confined to just transonic level. He needed more independent and consistent feats and relies more on scaling. Diana should be faster than him by virtue of just having more consistency and more feats.

Aquaman most definitively just has Superhuman speed (above Supersoldier level) but not quite as fast as Wolf or Diana.

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@deltahuman:

Ermm...it doesn't work that way my friend. SW was sidestepping Diana easily in their fights so he's even faster than Diana by feat. Aquaman also scales since he did fight SW too and had similar problems as Diana while black manta also scales to AM since he fought Aquaman on the submarine and was tagging him but just couldn't damage him.

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#18 anthp2000  Moderator

Clearly. As is Black Manta.

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Asian Merc is the true speed demon by scaling

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#20  Edited By Juicers

They probably revamped WW which means they shouldn't be scaled to her if that's the case, but let's see.

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Clearly. As is Black Manta.

Also Lois Lane because can keep up with Superman in bed

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@johndeyvido:

I already admitted in my analysis that Wolf was fast enough to deny Diana any speed advantage, didn't I? That is mighty impressive for a character of that size. But it didn't look like Diana utilized superspeed to fight Wolf. They were just dancing around each other, trying to tag each other with their weapons. So I don't think Wolf gets to scale from Diana by default. Scaling is already a tricky thing. By scaling and ABC logic you could even establish that Black Widow can give Thanos a fight. I don't think we should establish power levels by scaling alone. Individual feats should be analysed and given more importance. Steppenwolf just doesn't have a whole lot of them. He mostly relies on scaling so I find it difficult to admit that he has legit Diana tier supersonic reaction speeds or transonic travel speeds.

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#23  Edited By BOC

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True and even black manta since he kept up with Aquaman on the submarine..

Yeah, Orm too.

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#24 anthp2000  Moderator

@anthp2000 said:

Clearly. As is Black Manta.

Also Lois Lane because can keep up with Superman in bed

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#25  Edited By Bayman007

Thor must get a speed boost too... because he was, apparently, always able to tag Clark LOL

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@deltahuman:

But we don't judge combat speed visually on CV since by visual evidence WW never fought anyone "in superspeed" but apparently she has supersonic combat speed by scaling.

So SW is a lightning timer, same as Aquaman, Orm, black manta , mera etc and by implications Supes and Flash are mtfl.

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@nn5: Because people who are slower can keep up in a fight all the time. Having a fight with someone doesn’t make you their exact equal. Especially when Stepps had almost every single other advantage.

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With scaling Superman is. Aquaman, not really. Steppenwolf might be.

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Superman has been a lightning timer since MOS if we go by his travel speed feats, but certainly after JL. Everyone else I would say no.

BUT that doesn’t meant that certain beings of superior stats or skill in certain areas can’t counter it tango with lightning timers even though they themselves might not be.

There is also the fact that not every fight takes place in lightning time, or at supersonic speed for that matter. There is context involved. WW technically isn’t faster than Supes or DD by feats, yet she’s skilled enough (and in addition to this skill, stacked with her own stats) to be able to counter and tango with them. She even blocked a point blank range HV attack from DD and the manual describes HV as red light. Is she light speed? Nah. But she’s apparently ridiculously fast when necessary.

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Steppenwolf already blocked lightning from Zeus. Superman's got feats at or above lightning timing. Don't think Aquaman meets the criteria

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Aquaman no, superman yes, steppenwolf maybe

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@the_hajduk: No doubt Steppenwolf might be slightly slower. But can his greater strength & armor make up for some insane speed difference. Like in the fight WW didn't seem to move faster than him.

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@nn5: Not an insane speed difference but a significant one.

Think about this. The fastest man in the world can perform feats of reflexes and speed way beyond you and me. But we can still fist fight him and it will appear like we have basically even speed.

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@the_hajduk: That's true but thing is Steppenwolf still has to be much faster than e.g. MCU high-tiers. It certainly makes him very OP.

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@nn5: Stepps best speed feat is catching an arrow. I’d say he’s about as fast as Thor, who is also slower than Wondie but still has fantastic feats of laser timing.

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@the_hajduk: Still Steppenwolf can be only slightly slower than her as he would move in slow motion compared to her if she's like twice as fast.

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@nn5: That’s ridiculous. I’m not moving in slow motion compared to the fastest man on earth. But he still has a significant edge over me.

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@the_hajduk: How many times the fastest man can be faster than average?

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@nn5: It doesn’t scale so linearly like that. We’re all fast in different ways. Let me ask you this, do you see Steppenwolf replicating all of Wonder Woman’s bullet deflecting feats?

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@the_hajduk: She was moving slightly faster than the bullets so if he's somewhat slower, then probably not all of those feats.

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Why Aquaman's here?

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#45  Edited By TheVVitchKing

None of them are lightning timers

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@johndeyvido:

What do you mean we don't judge combat speeds visually at CV? There are multiple evidences of Wondy moving at super speed without needing her to scale from anyone. In her solo movie, when she unlocks God mode, she blitzes a bunch of German soldiers like Faora blitzed the soldiers in MoS. In JL, she definitely would've had to move in superspeed to block all the bullets of that assault rifle with supersonic muzzle velocity. She again moves at superspeed to save Aquaman from falling debris. Her reactions are already supersonic from how she perceives bullets in slow motion.

Other characters like Aquaman of Steppnwolf don't have those. They rely mostly on scaling

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@deltahuman:

Yes it is true she did all you have said but blitzing WW1 soldiers doesn't mean she's supersonic since she blitzed normal humans soldiers who were shooting at her and if they can see her and aim correctly at her then she isn't moving at supersonic speeds.

JL- she was slower than the bullets in that scene since she was closer to the targets and had to cover less distance than the bullets had to travel. Fox deadpool could deflect multiple assault riffles from both sides with his blades(better than Diana's feat) and he even casually sliced a bullet mid-air but do you think he has supersonic combat speed? If you say yes then WW has supersonic combat speed but if your answer is no then Wonder Woman doesn't too. She has supersonic reactions which isn't applicable to combat as per CV; where speed is broken into 3- travel, reaction and combat speed. While I admit she can occasionally burst forward but she isn't a speedster like flash, qs or Clark. She also have supersonic reaction feats but she hasn't fought like Clark did vs Flash( which is an example of supersonic combat speed).

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Only adapted kryptonians and gods have this speed

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