Are criticisms of DCEU films having weak/confusing plot really valid in the first place?

but then again there's always someone asking why Zod didn't terraform mars smh

lmao or "why didn't Diana grab the Kryptonite spear?!?!"

In theatrical cut of BvS, the African sequence, which moved the plot forward, was completely cut to pieces so the criticism here was totally legit.

Yeah, the editing of the TC warranted some confusion for sure, but if you've seen the UC and are still confused well.....smh...

Only DCEU movie with weak plot is Justice League. Other DCEU movies' plots come off as confusing to some, though. Suicide Squad's plot was just horrible.

Are the plots confusing? Not really, but then again there's always someone asking why Zod didn't terraform mars smh

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I don't think it's confusing. Nope. And I don't think the criticism is because the DCEU movie plots are confusing. That would be wrong too. People who defend the DCEU, including me need to understand why the DCEU isn't gaining positive recognition as much as say DC's Dark Knight Trilogy did. Before I point out anything further, I don't think earning $1 billion in the box office necessarily represents success. Lot of crap, unwatchable movies like some of the Transformers, Fast and Furious movies have earned $1 billion or more. To get adequate box office returns, you have to build a good franchise first. None of the first 5 MCU movies had earned $1 billion or more before the Avengers arrived and firmly established the MCU as a solid franchise.

That's where mistake number 1 started for the DCEU. They began to compete with an already well established, super popular franchise in terms of box office revenue without building a solid foundation for the franchise first. MoS didn't earn much. BvS went close to $1 billion. DCEU almost did it with their second movie itself. No matter how criticized BvS was, it was building a foundation. And the foundation was solid that agreed to the overall tone of the movie franchise and characters being built. Suicide Squad was an experiment which although critically panned was very successful in the box office. Wonder Woman was a step in the right direction but Justice League was a complete abomination that erased all the franchise building process, all the tonal consistency and the popularity among viewers. All because they tried to compete with a already well established franchise and movie universe with a pathetic half baked attempt and ended up taking ridiculous decisions. It was bound to fail.

So nope, the criticism is not due to the plot. Of course, the movies of the DCEU are not as campy, light hearted and colourful as the MCU ones but it didn't have to be. Two different superhero universes, each with its own unique identity was a perfectly possible and viable option. But JL hampered that a lot. There is a reason that Zack Snyder inspires a rabid fandom despite rejections from critics most of the time. People actually were collecting funds to make the release of an imaginary Snyder Cut possible. The fans were slowly gradually growing. Stuff doesn't happen overnight. The MCU became popular 4-5 years after the franchise was launched and that was at a time where there were no rivals. DCEU was doing fine until Justice League happened and set back progress by a lot.

I'm still ready for a fresh start. Not a reboot but redemption with Aquaman but right now after all the debacles, is it really possible to cultivate expectations. I was very satisfied with MoS and to a large extent by BvS. These movies gave me things I never got from the MCU. The Aesthetics of these two movies are captivating. The cinematography, the colour palette, the way the comic books were brought to life was stunning. The back ground score of both the movies was exhilarating. On an artistic level, the technique, creativity, set design and aesthetics were very different, comicbookish and overall comprehensive. The plot and dialogue had depth. The action sequences and the final acts were a visual spectacle. The plot took creative risks, the stakes were high, the tone was heavy and gritty and the movies didn't feel campy. The DCEU had an unique identity. After JL, you can hardly say that anymore.

When I watched BVS I had no clue what was going on. Parts of it seemed just like a jumbled compilation of random scenes. Like you could put them in any order and they would make no more sense. There was to much going on. I didn't know why at the begenning of the film Batman was floating up a cave with with some bats(this is the moment I gave up) I didn't know why Batman was randomly having these weird dream scenes. I didn't know why Flash popped up to say something about Lois. If I'm recalling correctly I didn't know why Batman was randomly chasing down these goons in cars and murdering everyone. I thought that the whole Batman vs Superman fight was incredibly dumb(I also started to feel some of the CG at the end).

I could talk about the film for a while. It was horrible. It's not the worst film I ever saw. However due to the fact that I care about DC and I love Batman it is my most hated film ever. It is likely the worst experience I've had watching a film.

I don't think it's confusing. Nope. And I don't think the criticism is because the DCEU movie plots are confusing. That would be wrong too. People who defend the DCEU, including me need to understand why the DCEU isn't gaining positive recognition as much as say DC's Dark Knight Trilogy did. Before I point out anything further, I don't think earning $1 billion in the box office necessarily represents success. Lot of crap, unwatchable movies like some of the Transformers, Fast and Furious movies have earned $1 billion or more. To get adequate box office returns, you have to build a good franchise first. None of the first 5 MCU movies had earned $1 billion or more before the Avengers arrived and firmly established the MCU as a solid franchise.

That's where mistake number 1 started for the DCEU. They began to compete with an already well established, super popular franchise in terms of box office revenue without building a solid foundation for the franchise first. MoS didn't earn much. BvS went close to $1 billion. DCEU almost did it with their second movie itself. No matter how criticized BvS was, it was building a foundation. And the foundation was solid that agreed to the overall tone of the movie franchise and characters being built. Suicide Squad was an experiment which although critically panned was very successful in the box office. Wonder Woman was a step in the right direction but Justice League was a complete abomination that erased all the franchise building process, all the tonal consistency and the popularity among viewers. All because they tried to compete with a already well established franchise and movie universe with a pathetic half baked attempt and ended up taking ridiculous decisions. It was bound to fail.

So nope, the criticism is not due to the plot. Of course, the movies of the DCEU are not as campy, light hearted and colourful as the MCU ones but it didn't have to be. Two different superhero universes, each with its own unique identity was a perfectly possible and viable option. But JL hampered that a lot. There is a reason that Zack Snyder inspires a rabid fandom despite rejections from critics most of the time. People actually were collecting funds to make the release of an imaginary Snyder Cut possible. The fans were slowly gradually growing. Stuff doesn't happen overnight. The MCU became popular 4-5 years after the franchise was launched and that was at a time where there were no rivals. DCEU was doing fine until Justice League happened and set back progress by a lot.

I'm still ready for a fresh start. Not a reboot but redemption with Aquaman but right now after all the debacles, is it really possible to cultivate expectations. I was very satisfied with MoS and to a large extent by BvS. These movies gave me things I never got from the MCU. The Aesthetics of these two movies are captivating. The cinematography, the colour palette, the way the comic books were brought to life was stunning. The back ground score of both the movies was exhilarating. On an artistic level, the technique, creativity, set design and aesthetics were very different, comicbookish and overall comprehensive. The plot and dialogue had depth. The action sequences and the final acts were a visual spectacle. The plot took creative risks, the stakes were high, the tone was heavy and gritty and the movies didn't feel campy. The DCEU had an unique identity. After JL, you can hardly say that anymore.

I don't think it's confusing. Nope. And I don't think the criticism is because the DCEU movie plots are confusing. That would be wrong too. People who defend the DCEU, including me need to understand why the DCEU isn't gaining positive recognition as much as say DC's Dark Knight Trilogy did. Before I point out anything further, I don't think earning $1 billion in the box office necessarily represents success. Lot of crap, unwatchable movies like some of the Transformers, Fast and Furious movies have earned $1 billion or more. To get adequate box office returns, you have to build a good franchise first. None of the first 5 MCU movies had earned $1 billion or more before the Avengers arrived and firmly established the MCU as a solid franchise.

That's where mistake number 1 started for the DCEU. They began to compete with an already well established, super popular franchise in terms of box office revenue without building a solid foundation for the franchise first. MoS didn't earn much. BvS went close to $1 billion. DCEU almost did it with their second movie itself. No matter how criticized BvS was, it was building a foundation. And the foundation was solid that agreed to the overall tone of the movie franchise and characters being built. Suicide Squad was an experiment which although critically panned was very successful in the box office. Wonder Woman was a step in the right direction but Justice League was a complete abomination that erased all the franchise building process, all the tonal consistency and the popularity among viewers. All because they tried to compete with a already well established franchise and movie universe with a pathetic half baked attempt and ended up taking ridiculous decisions. It was bound to fail.

So nope, the criticism is not due to the plot. Of course, the movies of the DCEU are not as campy, light hearted and colourful as the MCU ones but it didn't have to be. Two different superhero universes, each with its own unique identity was a perfectly possible and viable option. But JL hampered that a lot. There is a reason that Zack Snyder inspires a rabid fandom despite rejections from critics most of the time. People actually were collecting funds to make the release of an imaginary Snyder Cut possible. The fans were slowly gradually growing. Stuff doesn't happen overnight. The MCU became popular 4-5 years after the franchise was launched and that was at a time where there were no rivals. DCEU was doing fine until Justice League happened and set back progress by a lot.

I'm still ready for a fresh start. Not a reboot but redemption with Aquaman but right now after all the debacles, is it really possible to cultivate expectations. I was very satisfied with MoS and to a large extent by BvS. These movies gave me things I never got from the MCU. The Aesthetics of these two movies are captivating. The cinematography, the colour palette, the way the comic books were brought to life was stunning. The back ground score of both the movies was exhilarating. On an artistic level, the technique, creativity, set design and aesthetics were very different, comicbookish and overall comprehensive. The plot and dialogue had depth. The action sequences and the final acts were a visual spectacle. The plot took creative risks, the stakes were high, the tone was heavy and gritty and the movies didn't feel campy. The DCEU had an unique identity. After JL, you can hardly say that anymore.

Yes, the plot for BvS was confusing and dumb, the plot for JL was generic and boring. The plot for WW was ok, but its pretty much a reiteration of the first avenger,and suicide squad jad potential to be an insanely good film, but again, generic plot, generic villian = Borefest.

Man of steel = decent plot, decent action, a bit boring but its probably the best dceu film

lmao or "why didn't Diana grab the Kryptonite spear?!?!"

In theatrical cut of BvS, the African sequence, which moved the plot forward, was completely cut to pieces so the criticism here was totally legit.

Of course it's confusing. Some people still can't figure out why superman didn't cover zod's eyes with his hands even though the movie showed what happens when heat vision hits kryptonians (see smallville fight). Or why superman didn't take zod to the desert to fight him, like this is dragon ball z.

Or why batman didn't throw the spear at doomsday

When you need to release a 180-minute Ultimate Extended Edition just to make your plot more cohesive....when all your movies are plagued with deleted scenes and cries for "director cuts"....when Snyder keeps releasing snippets of unused footage on his Twitter as if to argue that he could've made a superior Justice League movie....

Yeah, that criticism might be valid.

I don't think it's confusing. Nope. And I don't think the criticism is because the DCEU movie plots are confusing. That would be wrong too. People who defend the DCEU, including me need to understand why the DCEU isn't gaining positive recognition as much as say DC's Dark Knight Trilogy did. Before I point out anything further, I don't think earning $1 billion in the box office necessarily represents success. Lot of crap, unwatchable movies like some of the Transformers, Fast and Furious movies have earned $1 billion or more. To get adequate box office returns, you have to build a good franchise first. None of the first 5 MCU movies had earned $1 billion or more before the Avengers arrived and firmly established the MCU as a solid franchise.

That's where mistake number 1 started for the DCEU. They began to compete with an already well established, super popular franchise in terms of box office revenue without building a solid foundation for the franchise first. MoS didn't earn much. BvS went close to $1 billion. DCEU almost did it with their second movie itself. No matter how criticized BvS was, it was building a foundation. And the foundation was solid that agreed to the overall tone of the movie franchise and characters being built. Suicide Squad was an experiment which although critically panned was very successful in the box office. Wonder Woman was a step in the right direction but Justice League was a complete abomination that erased all the franchise building process, all the tonal consistency and the popularity among viewers. All because they tried to compete with a already well established franchise and movie universe with a pathetic half baked attempt and ended up taking ridiculous decisions. It was bound to fail.

So nope, the criticism is not due to the plot. Of course, the movies of the DCEU are not as campy, light hearted and colourful as the MCU ones but it didn't have to be. Two different superhero universes, each with its own unique identity was a perfectly possible and viable option. But JL hampered that a lot. There is a reason that Zack Snyder inspires a rabid fandom despite rejections from critics most of the time. People actually were collecting funds to make the release of an imaginary Snyder Cut possible. The fans were slowly gradually growing. Stuff doesn't happen overnight. The MCU became popular 4-5 years after the franchise was launched and that was at a time where there were no rivals. DCEU was doing fine until Justice League happened and set back progress by a lot.

I'm still ready for a fresh start. Not a reboot but redemption with Aquaman but right now after all the debacles, is it really possible to cultivate expectations. I was very satisfied with MoS and to a large extent by BvS. These movies gave me things I never got from the MCU. The Aesthetics of these two movies are captivating. The cinematography, the colour palette, the way the comic books were brought to life was stunning. The back ground score of both the movies was exhilarating. On an artistic level, the technique, creativity, set design and aesthetics were very different, comicbookish and overall comprehensive. The plot and dialogue had depth. The action sequences and the final acts were a visual spectacle. The plot took creative risks, the stakes were high, the tone was heavy and gritty and the movies didn't feel campy. The DCEU had an unique identity. After JL, you can hardly say that anymore.

I don't find their plots confusing. To me it is more of an issue of being poorly edited, rushing movies, lack of character development (at least for BvS as I have not seen JL yet) people were still used to Dark Knight Batman so Batfleck was a bit of a jolt for the general audience that are not comic book fans, and trying too hard to be smart like a guy at a bar hitting on a woman and says his job is a "custodial engineer"