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#1 Posted by flameboy298 (2805 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone else think people over-rate The Dark knight too much?I mean Yes it was a great film,but some people act like its the greatest Super-hero film to ever hit theaters and no other superhero film is capable of being better than it.

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#2 Posted by Mediocregeist (727 posts) - - Show Bio

"flameboy298"

What a fitting name

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#3 Posted by flameboy298 (2805 posts) - - Show Bio
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#4 Edited by jayc1324 (26431 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope. A superhero movie CAN be better than it, there just hasn't been one yet IMO. I think Iron Man was the closest. IMO

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#5 Posted by Rebel_Leader1 (636 posts) - - Show Bio

@flameboy298: The Dark Knight is actually considered by many people to be the best and their favorite comic book film of all time. My personal favorite is the Avengers but people have different tastes and opinions that's why film is subjective.

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#6 Posted by flameboy298 (2805 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Posted by rogueshadow (29367 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope, Godfather level film.

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#11 Posted by Rebel_Leader1 (636 posts) - - Show Bio
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#12 Edited by FearTheLiving (8837 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally don't rank TDK as my favorite comic book movie, but can see why people do. What I don't get is the people that are in love with TDKR.

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#13 Edited by Rebel_Leader1 (636 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally don't rank TDK as my favorite comic book movie, but can see why people do. What I don't get is the people that are in love with TDKR.

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#14 Posted by rogueshadow (29367 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally don't rank TDK as my favorite comic book movie, but can see why people do. What I don't get is the people that are in love with TDKR.

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TDKR SUCKS!

COME AT ME NGG*S!

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#15 Posted by Mediocregeist (727 posts) - - Show Bio

@black_arrow: I did that intentionally... so no, I don't get it

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#16 Posted by Black_Arrow (10281 posts) - - Show Bio
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#17 Edited by Mediocregeist (727 posts) - - Show Bio

@mediocregeist said:

@black_arrow: I did that intentionally... so no, I don't get it

he burned you and he is flameboy.

oooooOOOOOH!

On a separate note, I looked up ooooooh on google images and got a lot of nudity.

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#18 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (9130 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayc1324: This though I think Cap 2 came closest.

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#19 Posted by CF12793 (3084 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think people overrate it because its earned its stripes. It's just a solid film throughout with very few flaws. Its sequel on the other hand........yeah, people overrate the **** out of that.

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#20 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (7222 posts) - - Show Bio

A little, I found Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight Rises to be infinitely superior movies.

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#21 Edited by reaverlation (25881 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought you meant The Winter Soldier (Cocks Gun)...come at me...

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#22 Posted by Ryagan (5193 posts) - - Show Bio

I can understand the high amounts of praise for the film, and I can also understand people saying it's overrated. I personally enjoy it, but I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea. That said, I think Heath Ledger's Joker gets ridiculously overhyped sometimes.

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#23 Posted by lesterlawton (1203 posts) - - Show Bio

I enjoyed Avengers & Watchmen much more than TDK. Heath was decent, but listening to Bale growl through a movie is annoying.

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#24 Posted by youknowwhattodo (2196 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it's a great movie, I have it in my top 3 superhero films of all time. I think that TDKR is the overrated one.

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#25 Posted by HaterGeist (5 posts) - - Show Bio

YES! I Hate IT!

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#26 Posted by HaterGeist (5 posts) - - Show Bio

@black_arrow said:

@mediocregeist said:

@black_arrow: I did that intentionally... so no, I don't get it

he burned you and he is flameboy.

oooooOOOOOH!

On a separate note, I looked up ooooooh on google images and got a lot of nudity.

HATE NUDITY!

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#27 Posted by ShenKuei (1612 posts) - - Show Bio

Not for me.

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#28 Edited by kgb725 (19217 posts) - - Show Bio

If Heath ledger wouldn't have died it would not be as big

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#29 Posted by DarthAznable (16928 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a little overrated. When it first came out I liked it because Batman. After watching it again, even when hype was going on. I didn't like it so much. It's honestly one of my least favorite comic book movies.

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#30 Posted by Fallschirmjager (23432 posts) - - Show Bio

Frankly it seems like its cool to hate on it nowadays, especially on this forum.

So I'd say its underrated.

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#31 Posted by Frozen (21133 posts) - - Show Bio

Frankly it seems like its cool to hate on it nowadays, especially on this forum.

So I'd say its underrated.

Ironic because the scores have went up --- last year it was #7 on the IMDb top 250 and is now #4. TDKR also jumped up atleast 10 spaces to #49 (?, something like that).

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#32 Edited by AllStarSuperman (43242 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman Begins and Kick-Ass are both better.

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#33 Posted by Frozen (21133 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman Begins and Kick-Ass are both better.

Kick Ass is weak for Millar (and genuinely a movie). If you want a Millar masterpiece, read Red Son.

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#34 Edited by entropy_aegis (20865 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes,everything popular is overrated to an extent.

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#35 Edited by AllStarSuperman (43242 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@allstarsuperman said:

Batman Begins and Kick-Ass are both better.

Kick Ass is weak for Millar (and genuinely a movie). If you want a Millar masterpiece, read Red Son.

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Millar didn't make Kick-Ass great, Matthew Vaughn did.

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#36 Posted by Frozen (21133 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: I wouldn't really call Kick Ass ''great'' either --- just good fun. Though the sequel was bad and has probably thrawted the possibility of a threequel.

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#37 Posted by AllStarSuperman (43242 posts) - - Show Bio

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@allstarsuperman: I wouldn't really call Kick Ass ''great'' either --- just good fun. Though the sequel was bad and has probably thrawted the possibility of a threequel.

Kick-Ass was perfect, it's my favorite movie, and honestly its a masterpiece. Yes, the sequel wasn't great, it was nowheres as good, but that's because Jeff Waldow directed rather than Matthew Vaughn. If Vaughn made the 2nd I am 127% sure that it would have been amazing as well.

Also keep in mind I think Batman Begins and Kick-Ass are better movies, cause they are. I also think TDKR, Man of Steel and Captain America 2 are more enjoyable than TDK, that doesn't mean there are better crafted movies.

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#38 Posted by ARMIV2 (10074 posts) - - Show Bio

Sometimes, yeah, I think people blow it up too much. Do I think it is a good movie? Yes. Do I think it is the best comic-book (or in some cases, "greater than comic-book") movie of all time? Not at all.

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#39 Posted by Frozen (21133 posts) - - Show Bio

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@allstarsuperman: I wouldn't really call Kick Ass ''great'' either --- just good fun. Though the sequel was bad and has probably thrawted the possibility of a threequel.

Kick-Ass was perfect, it's my favorite movie, and honestly its a masterpiece. Yes, the sequel wasn't great, it was nowheres as good, but that's because Jeff Waldow directed rather than Matthew Vaughn. If Vaughn made the 2nd I am 127% sure that it would have been amazing as well.

Also keep in mind I think Batman Begins and Kick-Ass are better movies, cause they are. I also think TDKR, Man of Steel and Captain America 2 are more enjoyable than TDK, that doesn't mean there are better crafted movies.

Okay, I just can't agree with Kick Ass being a masterpiece but that's my opinion. My problem is that the heroes are too nerfed and just doesn't really come across as compelling as TDK is. The second was a chance at expanding the franchise but honestly, he ruined it.

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#40 Posted by Jokerpoker (3144 posts) - - Show Bio

Not at all.

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#41 Posted by SavageSick97 (203 posts) - - Show Bio

Indeed.

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#42 Posted by SimonM7 (108 posts) - - Show Bio

"Overrated" is such a fundamentally flawed moniker to use in this context. It wouldn't be so highly regarded if it lacked the appropriate merits. It did a remarkable job of making a legitimate crime epic out of what's widely regarded as a pretty silly premise, and the themes are impressively weighty for a movie regardless of origin.

Do you have to love it because of that? Of course not. If the question is whether someone loves it as much as everyone seems to, I think that answer is less obvious.

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#43 Posted by thecowwasdelirious (1585 posts) - - Show Bio

no.

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#44 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (7657 posts) - - Show Bio

It was a good, borderline great movie and easily the best of the trilogy. I don't see how people say its like the F'n Godfather but its a very good movie. Of course the DC fanboys will boost it up.

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#45 Edited by AllStarSuperman (43242 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@allstarsuperman said:

@frozen said:

@allstarsuperman: I wouldn't really call Kick Ass ''great'' either --- just good fun. Though the sequel was bad and has probably thrawted the possibility of a threequel.

Kick-Ass was perfect, it's my favorite movie, and honestly its a masterpiece. Yes, the sequel wasn't great, it was nowheres as good, but that's because Jeff Waldow directed rather than Matthew Vaughn. If Vaughn made the 2nd I am 127% sure that it would have been amazing as well.

Also keep in mind I think Batman Begins and Kick-Ass are better movies, cause they are. I also think TDKR, Man of Steel and Captain America 2 are more enjoyable than TDK, that doesn't mean there are better crafted movies.

Okay, I just can't agree with Kick Ass being a masterpiece but that's my opinion. My problem is that the heroes are too nerfed and just doesn't really come across as compelling as TDK is. The second was a chance at expanding the franchise but honestly, he ruined it.

They Kick-Ass characters are more relatable, I know "big deal", but it helps some. I'll just list some of the stuff I love.

  • Relatable. A nerd who suits up cause he is bored is a lot more realistic than most Superhero movies.
  • Narration. I love the past tense narration used in the film, it gets you used to the character a lot more. I especially love it when he breaks fourth wall and tells us to not be so sure of ourselves, it was great.
  • An amazing bad guy, everybody knows Mark Strong rocks every role. He was seriously intimidating and badass.
  • Hot girlfriend.
  • Funny best friends.
  • Music/Score, seriously amazing. Matthew Vaughn and Henry somthing redid the music for the film multiple times until it was just perfect.
  • Emotion. Big-Daddy's death, nuff said. And sort of Red Mist's betrayal.
  • Awesome Fight Scenes. Seriously amazing, again Matthew Vaughn's brain came up with most of everything you see in this film.
  • Makes you smile. For me at least, seeing Hit-Girl in trouble and Kick-Ass freaking flying a jetpack with machine guns to the battle hymn is great. Seeing Hit-Girl get beat to crap and almost die from Kick-Ass to blow the guy up with a bazooka at the last second is amazing.
  • Happy ending where they are literally on top of the world.

There's more as well, but I could probably do that all day.

For me it's way more compelling than TDK. See the list above TDK has barely any of those things. I might say it has good music/score, some emotion, ehh the fights weren't as good as the other Batman movies. Nothing in it makes you smile, and the ending is the farthest thing from happy in the world.

Also Vaughn better be back if a 3rd is gonna happen, but honestly they changed the ending so much from the comic I don't even know what would happen.

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#46 Edited by movieartman (1886 posts) - - Show Bio

my personal rating system is the following

6 of 6 - THE ABSOLUTE / ACT OF GOD

5 of 6 - AMAZING / SUPURB (can not ask for better than this)

4 of 6 - GREAT

3 of 6 - GOOD

2 of 6 - OK / MEH

1 of 6 - BAD

0 of 6 - HORRIBLE

the dark knight (2008) is the SINGLE film i have EVER given a 6 to.

i am not a dc fanboy i like cap and thor a shit ton more than batman, but....

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#47 Posted by Frozen (21133 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: Most of what you said could be found in many similar movies. I don't think it's relatable either, it took the generic Hollywood nerd and applied it to the scenario. 'Hot girlfriend' can be found in many movies and the villain wasn't memorable.

  • TDK has a much better villain, an Oscar worthy performance which gained acclaim but stayed true to the roots of the character
  • Chilling suspense. The tone resembles Heat and The Joker's unpredictability creates suspense
  • Acting. The trilogy has a list of quality actors
  • Themes. The themes of anarchy, symbolism, and the power of symbolism, escalation
  • Brilliant soundtrack
  • It's not meant to be 'happy' either - it was perhaps the darksest point in Batman's career
  • Tone. The film can actually be taken seriously

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#48 Posted by AllStarSuperman (43242 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@allstarsuperman: Most of what you said could be found in many similar movies. I don't think it's relatable either, it took the generic Hollywood nerd and applied it to the scenario. 'Hot girlfriend' can be found in many movies and the villain wasn't memorable.

  • TDK has a much better villain, an Oscar worthy performance which gained acclaim but stayed true to the roots of the character
  • Chilling suspense. The tone resembles Heat and The Joker's unpredictability creates suspense
  • Acting. The trilogy has a list of quality actors
  • Themes. The themes of anarchy, symbolism, and the power of symbolism, escalation
  • Brilliant soundtrack
  • It's not meant to be 'happy' either - it was perhaps the darksest point in Batman's career
  • Tone. The film can actually be taken seriously

  • I like Frank more, but I can agree that Joker is amazing villain. I must have forgot to mention that above. Joker may have stayed true to the roots (in your opinion)but Mark Strong pretty much invented Frank as he was barely in a comic by the time of filming.
  • I guess it has more suspense.
  • Kick-Ass has Nicolas Cage.
  • Being a hero? Standing up for whats right? It's themes are good as well.
  • Better soundtrack. lol
  • True, but I do want to enjoy a movie and its quite hard when its dark and moopy.
  • So can Kick-Ass past the first half.

We are going off topic though.

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#49 Posted by lesterlawton (1203 posts) - - Show Bio

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If Heath ledger wouldn't have died it would not be as big

It would have been just as popular amongst comic fans, but it wouldn't have done nearly as well in the money department. I know quite a few people who went just because of the way the media connected the death to the film.

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#50 Posted by entropy_aegis (20865 posts) - - Show Bio

@kgb725 said:

If Heath ledger wouldn't have died it would not be as big

It would have been just as popular amongst comic fans, but it wouldn't have done nearly as well in the money department. I know quite a few people who went just because of the way the media connected the death to the film.

If that were the case then how did TDKR make almost 1.1 billion and would've made more if it weren't for you know what.