Analysis: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) and Empire Strikes Back (1980) are very similar

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Poll Analysis: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) and Empire Strikes Back (1980) are very similar (21 votes)

I believe that Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) will get better audience/critic reception in the future 14%
No 86%

Audience/critic reception sometimes do evolve with the times.

There are films that wasn't well-received during their times but on future viewings get better reception.

For the Star Wars franchise, Empire Strikes Back (1980) film is a good example of this. It was not very well received back then when it was released, but today it is regarded one of the best films and was actually selected for preservation in the United States' National Film Registry for being "culturally, historically, and aesthetically significant".

Think about it, both Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) and Empire Strikes Back (1980) are pretty similar:

ComparisonBatman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Film reception at time of releaseNot very well-receivedMixed reception
Budding romance sideplotSuperman w/ Lois LaneHan Solo w/ Leia Organa
New supporting character not seen in previous films aiding the main charactersWonder WomanLando Calrissian
New antagonist not seen in previous filmsLex Luthor, Doomsday, KGBeastBoba Fett
Mercenaries hired to hinder the protagonistsKGBeast hired to kill people to trigger Batman and Superman, and kidnapped Superman's foster motherBoba Fett hired to track down Han Solo
Antagonist baiting the main charactersLex Luthor smuggled a bomb to kill everyone during a congressional hearing, triggering Batman to take action and Superman to go on an exile.On the orders of Darth Vader and Lando Calrissian captured Han Solo and Leia Organa so as to setup a trap for Luke Skywalker.
Setup for future filmsRobin's joker-vandalized costume was shown, and there are cameos for Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman

Obi Wan: That boy was our last hope

Yoda: No, there is another (Revelation of Leia as Luke's sister)

Main character receiving visionsBatman gets a vision of a dark future involving SupermanLuke Skywalker gets a vision of Obi-Wan asking him to seek Yoda
Main character goes against good adviceAlfred Pennyworth criticized Batman's decision to fight Superman, but Batman continues to train for the big momentAgainst the wishes of Obi Wan and Yoda, Luke Skywalker abandons his training to rescue his friends
Epic confrontationBatman vs SupermanLuke Skywalker vs Darth Vader
Epic confrontation abruptly stoppedBatman stops fighting after being reminded of his dead motherLuke Skywalker was disarmed and forced back by Darth Vader
Shocking twist at the end of the filmSuperman was killed offDarth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father

Do you think Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) is in the same situation as that of Empire Strikes Back (1980)?

If yes, explain why. If no, explain why too.

Preferably do discuss specifically comparing the scenes between Empire Strikes Back (1980) and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) and explain why the characterization, story, film-making quality should/should not be comparable.

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Don’t insult Empire with that trash.

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#2  Edited By Lone_Wolf_and_Cub

Wow you’ve reached a new low.

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Uh...

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This is one of the worst comparisons I've ever read. Some of these "similarities" really stretch the meaning.

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How did we end up here?

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If any mods are there can I please drop the F bomb without a warning.

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This is sacrilege.

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Chew at it again...

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Don’t insult Empire with that trash.

This is sacrilege.

Honestly... Arguably the best Star Wars film compared to arguably the worst DCEU film.

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Can't you just wank Wonder Woman and Aquaman now. BvS is an antique at this point.

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#16  Edited By Havenless

UNCLE OWEN!!! Why did you say that name?????

The shocking twist at the end of BvS was that it sucked.

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This is getting annoying. The film is bad. Get over it and move on.

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This is one of the worst comparisons I've ever read. Some of these "similarities" really stretch the meaning.

Not to mention that we knew how BvS is going to end long before the start of the movie. No shocking twists there.

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#19  Edited By darthjhawk  Moderator

The reason ESB received mixed reviews or the reception it did, at least in my opinion was because it did something almost no story or sequel had done before. That being taking its heroes to a darker place and showing that no, the heroes do not always win in the end. People may not have been ready for that, but as we can all see, time has done nothing but bolster its reputation and showed how we can appreciate a darker and more mature story, maybe perhaps even a more realistic one in terms of tone and themes.

However BvS did not do those same things. It failed and at its core was the product of a rushed job for DC to catch up to Marvel. And while I do not bash the movie or find it as bad as others do, there is no denying that it failed at what it was supposed to do. It is a bit too reactionary, with too much editorial influence, as well as suffering from a clear lack of vision, foundation, and perspective. Not saying the MCU always did or was perfect, but BvS was not solid step in the right direction. The fact that there is this much controversy over a movie with arguably the two most popular characters in fiction is not a good sign.

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Reading threads like these will make you lose brain cells... wow

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Um what?

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Sometime something valuable is mistaken for trash until people realized its worth. But for the most part what looks like trash, is indeed trash.

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