Aizen tries to soul crush Jiren...... what happens next ?

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Poll Aizen tries to soul crush Jiren...... what happens next ? (92 votes)

Soul Crush gets no sold and Aizen gets one shotted 84%
Aizen Reiatsu Crushes him without much trouble 16%
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Can Jiren resist ?

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It depends on how you scale Bleach.

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Lmao

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Jiren notices the fodder power and simply glares at bleach verse. Then it goes KABOOOM!!!

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Aizen gets Soul Crushed

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Im not seeing how Jiren doesn't just ignore such a weak force and slap

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@ilyas97 said:

It depends on how you scale wank Bleach.

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Jiren glares the verse

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Why do Aizen like this? -_-

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Jiren reiatsu crushes the verse and then prepares to solo the universal bleach meta

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lol

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It works just fine because I don't equalize ki with Clorox's spiritural energy. If you do equalize them, then Jiren feels nothing.

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@ppsc98 said:

It works just fine because I don't equalize ki with Clorox's spiritural energy. If you do equalize them, then Jiren feels nothing.

Jiren no sells regardless

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@ragegod: If you don't equalize it, then Jiren's spiritual energy would be too low, so he would get soul crushed.

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Jiren shatters the hogyoku with a mean look and makes Yhwach soil himself with his presence. Cute thread though.

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Jiren solos 😭

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#17  Edited By Applekidthethird

Jiren beats up Frieza and accidently erases Aizen's entire bloodline.

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Aizen and anything he attempts to do doesn’t even penetrate through the invisible barrier around Jiren.

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@ppsc98 said:

@ragegod: If you don't equalize it, then Jiren's spiritual energy would be too low, so he would get soul crushed.

Ki = Spirit anyway. As per the Moro arc.

Not that it matters, stats > soul crush.

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Does Jiren have any resistances to soul attacks? If not he dies, if so wow that's new.

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.........

Jiren WTF stomps

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How is this not locked?

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@ragegod said:

Ki = Spirit anyway. As per the Moro arc.

Not that it matters, stats > soul crush.

The fact that people have to use the soul crush meta shows that their character is weaker in stats.

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#27  Edited By TakenStew22
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Does Jiren have any resistances to soul attacks? If not he dies, if so wow that's new.

Base Goku survived hakai and Golden Frieza laughed it off. No reason Jiren can't resist soul destroying attacks, especially considering he's overpowered other hax like time manipulation just by pure raw power. Toppo who's below Jiren also has hakai.

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He obviously no sells, there’s ways to get some level of soul resistance for DBZ characters, please.

People try to use this logic to highlight some NLF logic but in order to do this they have to use an overpowered character like Jiren to do so.

This doesn’t change the fact that if you don’t have the resistance or can’t be argued to have the resistance, you’re going to die to the hax.

Here is a short list of hax from Bleach that can kill Jiren:

  • X-Axis
  • The Balance in the right situation
  • The Antithesis in the right situation
  • The Compulsory

And these characters are at best multi-continental, while Jiren is above universal.

If you’re gonna argue that power >>> hax, name the exact point of power where the hax becomes obsolete, otherwise it’s completely arbitrary and useless in any argument, as any debater worth their salt would tell you

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@takenstew22: got to explain what is hakai cause I only follow teamfourstar db.

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#30  Edited By Wushu59

Nothing in Bleach is killing Jiren. lmao

X-Axis is fodder to Hakai which didn't even kill a much version of Goku.

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@wushu59 said:

Nothing in Bleach is killing Jiren. lmao

X-Axis is fodder to Hakai which didn't even kill a much version of Goku.

See the logic?

’Nothing in Bleach is killing Jiren’

Putting aside the EE argument, as this can go on forever (people forget their are different types of EE -_-)

Explain how this doesn’t kill or fatally wound Jiren leading to inevitable death:

In a scenario where Uryu has been shot in the heart, and is dying, he switches his wounds with Jiren. Same with Haschwalth.

Is Jiren immune to causal events now? If so, what level of power does it take to become immune? Planet level? Star level?

No one beats Jiren in Bleach. Are we clear on this?

I’m saying if he stands there, a dozen characters can kill him in a multitude of ways. He‘s not immune. He’s just got a ridiculous stat advantage that you can’t seem to see past.

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#33  Edited By Wushu59

@ninjarizer:

Anthesis wouldn't do shit to Jiren if the user is killed instantly. There would be nothing to reverse at that point. Good to see you have enough common sense to not compare X-Aix to Universal level Gods of Destruction who use existence erasure.

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@wushu59 said:

@ninjarizer:

Anthesis wouldn't do shit to Jiren if the user is killed instantly. There would be nothing to reverse at that point. Good to see you have enough common sense to not compare X-Aix to Universal level Gods of Destruction who use existence erasure.

You’re not reading what I said.

If the user isn’t killed instantly, can Jiren die? Obviously

You and I already know Jiren and blitz and one shot Uryu, the question is:

Is it possible to kill him? You said nothing in Bleach CAN kill Jiren, which is wrong.

I didn’t want to talk about the X-Axis, but I will.

Hakai is in no way similar to the X-Axis. Jusy because something erases from existence doesn’t mean they are the same ability.

If someone could make the probability of your existence zero, is that the same as Hakai?

If someone could make the concept of your existence null and void, is that the same as Hakai? No.

If a character of country level stats could do so they kill Jiren instantly. Who cares if he’s universal? I argue Midora can kill Jiren and he’s not even solar system level

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Ki is literally just soul energy

@kingogkings777 said:

Does Jiren have any resistances to soul attacks? If not he dies, if so wow that's new.

Base Goku survived hakai and Golden Frieza laughed it off. No reason Jiren can't resist soul destroying attacks, especially considering he's overpowered other hax like time manipulation just by pure raw power. Toppo who's below Jiren also has hakai.

Also he defeated Belmond, who also considers Jiren to be unbeatable. Which he wouldn’t be if he could destroy his existence

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THE HAXES IN BLEACH CAN KILL A UNIVERSAL PLUS CHARACTER WHO HAS KI THAT CAN CRUSH LITERALLY DEITIES( KIAS & GOD)

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#38  Edited By Wushu59

@ninjarizer:

You’re not reading what I said.

If the user isn’t killed instantly, can Jiren die?

There is ZERO possibility of him not dying on the first hit. A character below Saiyan Saga stats is going get turned to mist by a pinky flick coming from Namek tier characters let a lone Jiren.

Is itpossibleto kill him? You said nothing in Bleach CAN kill Jiren, which is wrong.

You have literally brought up zero scenario where Jiren dies to something in Bleach. It's not possible for Jiren to not insta kill.

Hakai is in no way similar to the X-Axis. Jusy because something erases from existence doesn’t mean they are the same ability.

You're right. It's FODDER compared to Hakai. There is something called no limits fallacy.

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@wushu59:

There is ZERO possibility of him not dying on the first hit. A character below Saiyan Saga stats is going get turned to mist by a pinky flick coming from Namek tier characters let a lone Jiren.

I know. That’s not what i’m saying.

You have literally brought up zero scenario where Jiren dies to something in Bleach. It's not possible for Jiren to not insta kill.

I mean it is… there are characters that aren’t universal that weren’t pasted by him in TOP. And that gap is virtually the same from Uryu it’s so big

You're right. It's FODDER compared to Hakai. There is something called no limits fallacy.

Honestly speaking.

It causes more issues applying NLF logic than ignoring it.

I wont bore you with a long explanation, just a short one.

What is the limit then? No one knows the limit for specific hax, unless it can be derived from the manga itself. This becomes even sillier when a hax is supposed to ignore stats and durability…

Now an ability that ignores durability has a durability limit?

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There is no amount of wank that'll justify soul crush doing anything to a post BOG character

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#41  Edited By Wushu59

@ninjarizer:

Look Ninja. I get what you are trying to saying. But in order for Anthesis to work the user has to be alive to cast the reverse damage effects. There is 0 scenerio where Jiren doesn't insta kill Uryu. It's not even possible so it is completely pointless to bring this up in the first place.

Honestly speaking.

It causes more issues applying NLF logic than ignoring it.

I wont bore you with a long explanation, just a short one.

What is the limit then? No one knows the limit for specific hax, unless it can be derived from the manga itself. This becomes even sillier when a hax is supposed to ignore stats and durability…

Now an ability that ignores durability has a durability limit?

Yes. When you have a character that is so far beneath even planet level compared to a character who is massively above already Universal characters that have already survived existence erasure hax of other people who are also Universal then that is a giant no limits fallacy.

You can bring up if you want but it is wishful thinking at best and you can't be surprised if you get laughed at for it.

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Does nothing. Hakai already destroys and erase souls. Jiren scales to goku and Freeza resisting hakai. It also confirmed in DBS lore that Belmod lost to Jiren which mean Jiren most likely survived the attack through their battle.

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Aizen should soul crush him without much difficulty

Jiren is only City Block level

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#44  Edited By Pandalumina

there really shouldn't be an argument here...lol

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#45  Edited By Pandalumina

imagine thinking that Aizen soul crushes someone above Infinite Zamasu in scope

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imagine thinking that Aizen soul crushes someone above Infinite Zamasu in scope

Nah Infinite Zamasu is Angel tier tbh.

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@pandalumina said:

imagine thinking that Aizen soul crushes someone above Infinite Zamasu in scope

Nah Infinite Zamasu is Angel tier tbh.

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@takenstew22 said:
@pandalumina said:

imagine thinking that Aizen soul crushes someone above Infinite Zamasu in scope

Nah Infinite Zamasu is Angel tier tbh.

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I mean he literally became Trunks' entire timeline which contains the 12 universes and he was about to merge with the main one aswell. He's very underrated.

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#49  Edited By Pandalumina
@takenstew22 said:
@pandalumina said:
@takenstew22 said:
@pandalumina said:

imagine thinking that Aizen soul crushes someone above Infinite Zamasu in scope

Nah Infinite Zamasu is Angel tier tbh.

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I mean he literally became Trunks' entire timeline which contains the 12 universes and he was about to merge with the main one aswell. He's very underrated.

yea

most people forget that hakai legit does not work on him

Beerus and Whis could feel his coming presence through timelines

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@pandalumina: Jiren wouldn't have beaten Infinite Zamasu. People take the stronger statement to heart but thats just raw power as in AP wise. Zamasu at that point became a true 4th Dimensional being, had no physical form and was immortal

If you were to completely equalize stats between Bleach Characters and Dragon Ball Charcaters. Jiren would not be a threat wheras Zamasu would still solo the verse