Age of Ultron Butterfly Effect Theories *Spoilers*

In this thread talk about what you think might be some of the effects in Age of Ultron from altering the past.

• If Hank Pym was killed he never made Ultron so there would be no Vision... duh.
• If there was no vision then Wanda would have never gotten pregnant and would have never had the miscarriage that lead to her break down resulting in the death of a handful of Avengers and Dissemble.
• If there was no break down then there would never have been House of M... so the mutants would have never lost their powers.
• Which would mean there would be no reason for Utopia or the Phoenix to come to earth in AvX meaning there would be no AvX or Schism. Which would also probably mean Professor X would be alive and crippled.
• Without M-Day there would be way to many mutants to try and push through the registration act so there would have been no Cival war.
• Now if the was never Disassemble or M-Day the Skrulls would have never made their move and would probably still be hiding among the earthlings.
• Hank Pym was one of their biggest players in their invasion plan. Sense Pym wasn't around they would need to replace someone else. Like Maybe Tony Stark.
• Also not sure how it would effect things but there would be no Young Vision(I kinda get why they killed him off last year now) or Victor Mancha.
• Young Vision did play a role in Kang's youth when he was Iron Lad so the lack of Young Vision could be significant.

Pretty crazy when you think about it. Anyone else think of any other big changes that might occur if they cut Hank from the past?

It looks like Janet becomes Captain Marvel somehow:

Could be someone else though.

... So pretty much all of the major events that caused some of the greatest destruction and instability in the heroic community would never happen now that Hank Pym's dead?

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STAB HIM S'MORE, WOLVERINE. NUKE 'EM FROM ORBIT, IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE.

But is this Age of Ultron even canon? I mean, it's happening or it's going to happen? Or it's another reality? I would like Bendis & co. to be clear on that. So far AU it has been really average and making clear if it's canon or not would be important.

That's not really fair. Like you said, Wolverine's smart. He's been through wars. He knows how to win them. He knows when they're lost. Here's the Avenger's plan:

Go into the future, where Ultron has absolute control, and is thus directing present events from there in how to ensure that control. In this future, Ultron has mechanized the planet. There are most likely NO remaining rebels, the entire world is watched by his Ultron drones. The Avengers are weaker than they've ever been, and Ultron is far more powerful. They are charging into enemy territory with no possibility of retreat, and no back up forthcoming. It is LITERALLY do or die, and the enemy has superior numbers, resources, and the ability to constantly make more.

It is the very DEFINITION of a suicide mission. It's a plan of desperation, nothing more.

Wolverine, instead, is going BACK to stop Pym from building Ultron in the first place. He knows that if he told Pym what happened, Pym would just be more determined to build it right. Killing him's the only way to stop him. And if it causes the AU timeline to cease to exist, him included, it's not like they're losing a whole lot.

It's not great, but it DOES make sense. It's not as cut and dry as "STAB HIM."

I am not reading this book because I still have no clear concept of what it means -- evidently it "is" happening, currently, but where or why or what that means has not been clarified in the slightest, and won't be at least until after the final issue.

However if these implications are true, and it is canon, I would not want to be the person with the nightmare task of figuring out how any of the myriad characters created during or by all these events figure into the "new" continuity in which those events never happened.

To use just one example: Hope Summers.

Not Necessarily It's easier to find the positive effects but a lot harder to see the negative ones. I mean Hank helped take down a ton of major threats. Who's to say how any of them played out without him being there? Don't forget Hank was part of all the Infinity sagas and helped talk down Kovac, so there could still be huge negative repercussions. Who's to say with Hank gone Tony didn't build an even worse version of Ultron. You'd also need to consider all of the good Vision has done over the years as well. Hell I'm not ever sure Wanda would have been crazy enough to bring back Wonder Man from the dead, and we was the Avengers power house for most of the 80's things could have gone very differently without him.

@ludo said:

Marvel has stated quite a few times this even is meant to be cannon.

I don't think it's cannon! Maybe it is, but in the next issue they form a new Marvel Universe meaning Age of Ultron won't happen and they outsmart him, or something.

@theacidskull: It wasn't that Hank couldn't break free it was that Logan has a knife to his neck.

Wolverine openly states, and is agreed with by others, that if they went back and tried to convince Pym NOT to make Ultron, that it does horrible things, he'll take it as a challenge and build Ultron anyway in an attempt to build it RIGHT. They all know Pym, and what he's like. As for Pym not breaking the hold, Wolverine had him by the side of his mouth, and was only being held back by Susan. Pym knows Sue's fields are held by her concentration. If he made a sudden move against Wolverine, Wolverine might tear a decent chunk out of his face with the hand in his mouth, or the distraction might be enough to make Sue drop the fields and let Wolverine stab him.

Hank Pym, an underrated comic book character, is unintentionally responsible for so much devastation in the Marvel universe. Who would have expected that?

I wonder if any of the time travel stuff from Avenger's Academy will have any kind of role in this. Specifically the part where they showed Pym ruling the future.

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It's simple, we kill the Ant-Man.

@v_scarlotte_rose said:

It looks like Janet becomes Captain Marvel somehow:

Could be someone else though.

Wait..... Is Deathstroke Captain America now? :P

I'm starting to wonder if AoU is going to turn into Marvel's Flashpoint. :o

Honestly I'm not surprised by how the majority of comments are all "Kill Hank!!" No killing Hank won't solve anything if anything it will only cause greater problems for events to come. Far greater cataclysms than the previous timeline, after Vision, Hank, and Jocasta all played important roles from events of past. Probably saving millions in certain events because of a simple deed or from saving teammate where that teammate would save lives. Take for instance Nefaria, when he stole the powers of other villains to make him a super powered being the Avengers were being throttled now lets say without Vision to deliver the finisher Beast could have died and without him the High Evolutionary would have succeeded in his plan to force evolution upon the human race thus the Universe being rebooted. Thanks Wolverine!! Jerk

Pym can't catch a break I swear.