Addressing the Arceus downplay (yeah this need to stop)

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Okay so of course to answer this some people should first probably know how big the Pokémon Multiverse is (since obviously some people and especially Pokémon downplayers probably doesn't know anything about how big the Pokémon multiverse is) so for starters :

The pokemon multiverse is an infinite Multiversal cosmology , which has a metafictional detail which says that game sold is a different "universe". In addition, every game has countless universes by the ultraumbrals, and some others paralell dimensions. This will be explained below :

About The Metafictional Detail

Well, so many people says that the metafictional detail is just wank, but, nevertheless, this is backed by multiples NPCs and texts in game.

Pokemon Black and White

In this games, there are probably the most important feats regarding this `metafictional detail´: the Entralink.

What´s the entralink? The entralink is a place where you can travel to the world/universe of another game, as you can see here.

"This is an island called the Entralink. It´s located in the center of the Unova region. The entralink is a mysterious place where you can connect with someone´s world" 

A synonimous of world is universe, even if we don´t take this into account, the `world´ of that "someone" is another created created by arceus, with its legendarys and the same cosmology as the `original´ (since, after all, it is also another pokemon game, isn´t it?). This place appears in the manga too:

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Also, by the entralink you can catch pokemon from thedream world

Pokemon ROZA

In ROZA, there are some other feats about this metafictional detail. First: The Game Link Cable.

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The Link Cable is thought to be what was going to be used to send the meteor to the alternate Hoenn. The Devon Corporation was also already working on one, meaning that Link Cables are canon as a concept to Pokemon.

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Here, you can see that the pokemon travell across space and time to reach `you´

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GameGuides obtained a Time Travel Award for his base.

Pokemon USUM

In pokemon SM/USUM, we obtained another feat about the metafictional detail: the Festival Plaza.

But, why do I mention this? Just see that

"This is a secret place where you can come to play using communication features. We´re holding a festival where trainers can interact right now" 

That confirm too about the metafictional detail... but, isn´t that a game mechanic? Well, if you played the USUM´s postgame, you saw that. In the postgame, the Team Rocket interact with the festival place.

Conclusion

Yes, every game sold is a different 'universe'. But... what does this imply?

Pokemon has 340 million units solds as March 2019 and more than 6 millions pokemon SwSh sold on 21, November, 2019. This implies a minimum of 346+ millions universes for pokemon. A high level in the Multiverse cosmology , but, that´s not all

Another dimensions

In addition to the main dimension in every game there are other dimensions such us:

It implies a world where the ultimate weapon was never even built, a world where the Mega Evolution is unknown: a different world, in other words.

Another worlds where the villians fulfilled their duties (that can be include inside the Ultra wormholes worlds)

At least 13 other worlds (probably there is probably more, in that case, it would be an inaccurate amount)

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Hunter´s/Gengar´s dimension

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Dialga talks about the future world as a 'new world' (even when he has the control of 'this world' in a bygone era'), as 'the world from darkness'.

He uses 'world' and 'planet' as different concepts (world = universe; planet = The Earth)

Bronzong´s another world

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Ghost World (Probably the spirit world that appears in the dusknoir´s pokedex)

Dreamworld

Interdream Zone

Reverse world

Dialga, Palkia, Giratina and Arceus´s space

Ultra Wormholes

That´s so easy, as you can see here, there are countless warp holes to different worlds. This worlds should be as big as the original world (as we can see in the reverse world and in the guzzlord ultra ruin world (if you speaks and read the dialogues of the different objects, you can check that this world is a post apocalyptic world, this scene happens in Hauoli City)

Conclusion

The Pokémon Multiverse has at the very least countless amount of universes at bare minimum

Who Scales?

Dialga, he created the time (and is omnipresent in the time) in all this universes. Also he distort the timeand bring the destruction of all things. He can doan attackAble to destroy all the world with palkia

Palkia, he created the space (and is omnipresent in the space) in all universes. Also can distort the spaceand bring the destruction of all things. He can doan attackAble to destroy all the world with Dialga

TheLakeTrio. They can resist an attack from dialga, also, if they work together, they are as powerful as palkia or dialga

Giratinahe is as powerful as palkia and dialga, he helps toshape the world.

Arceus. he is omnipresent across the time and space, the creation trio is just part of arceus, also the lake trio, confirmed here. He can destroy the existence across multiple dimensions

There is the fact that Pilikia ans Dialga were destroying the entire space-time contenum and Arceus scale above them all :http://imgur.com/33vTfc6

Those are clear cut multiversal feats and there is even more :

So this Clearly proves that Arceus is Multiversal and Omnipresent across all space and time due to him embodying the entire multiverse there is also the fact that Arceus true form is basically the Whole Pokémon multiverse but I'm going to explain this later I'm just gonna give you an idea about why they embody the entire world (the Pokémon verse) :

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There are much more evidence but this should be enough but anyway the conclusion is that Arceus, Pilikia, Dialga are only avatars (and this includes Arceus from the movie and manga and game) and theire true forms embody the whole Pokémon world so killing theire avatars is useless if it doesn't affect theire true form

Debunking the Meteor feat

1) as shown above Arceus multiversal feats are clear as a day bringing a single PIS feat and some game mechanics from the games to downplay Arceus isn't an argument

2)on top of that many people take the Meteor feat out of context, the reason why Arceus died was because the Meteor explosion removed all of Arceus life plates which made him very weak and then he lost his consciousness because of that, so he didn't die because the Meteor itself

3)like I explained even if we assume that Arceus got killed by the Metor this would scale only to Arceus avatar and not his true form who embody the whole Pokémon verse to the point that he exists across all space and time due to his big size

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The whole plot in Jewel of Life was that Arceus was weakened during the time anyway. So the meteor feat is meaningless for his regular strength

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The whole plot in Jewel of Life was that Arceus was weakened during the time anyway. So the meteor feat is meaningless for his regular strength

I know I adressed all of that in the OP

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@gelato_exotic: also this wasn't just made to adresse the meteor feat, it was also meant to address the size of cosmology (since many people think that the Pokémon verse does only have a single universe) and to adresse Arceus, Pilikia Dialga Multiversal feats

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there are also a ton of universal feats for there avatars that people love ignoring

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#7  Edited By Omega7373663

@tdht said:

there are also a ton of universal feats for there avatars that people love ignoring

I know but I decided to bring some of them because they are more then enough proof for a multiversal Arceus

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Honestly I always thought Pokemon verse had more than one universe since the creation trio has their own universes. Imagine making a Roblox or Minecraft verse lmao,pure nightmare.

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Honestly I always thought Pokemon verse had more than one universe since the creation trio has their own universes. Imagine making a Roblox or Minecraft verse lmao,pure nightmare.

There are literally countless amounts of universes

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Masterball still solos.

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Well he is the god of Pokemon, I don't see how you could downplay god.

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lol, all pokemon are simply as strong or weak as the plot demands at the time, you cant scale characters from different medias as one and expect consistency when they're all written by different people with different ideas on how powerful pokemon should be. If the writers need Pikachu to beat the devil with one attack he will, it's as simple as that.

You're putting far more effort into its than game freak does.

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Masterball still solos.

LMAO, imagine using Game Mechanics.

Hmm, Let's see, the Manga?

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Yah this statement needs to be stopped.

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#17  Edited By Omega7373663

@reaperthegrim said:

lol, all pokemon are simply as strong or weak as the plot demands at the time, you cant scale characters from different medias as one and expect consistency when they're all written by different people with different ideas on how powerful pokemon should be. If the writers need Pikachu to beat the devil with one attack he will, it's as simple as that.

You're putting far more effort into its than game freak does.

Did you like even read the OP? I literally proved why those games are related and Canon to each other

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@reaperthegrim: You can apply this same idea to comic book characters.

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Still nearly died to a meteor and quicksilver, and was hurt by Pikachu's thunderbolt.

:>

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Still nearly died to a meteor and quicksilver, and was hurt by Pikachu's thunderbolt.

:>

"Stfu it's PIS!!1!!😡😡😡😡😡"

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LOL.

Didn't know this was a thing

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Ok

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Still nearly died to a meteor and quicksilver, and was hurt by Pikachu's thunderbolt.

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Still I debunked the meteor feat.......

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@omega7373663: Show me where I said the games were unrelated to each other or non-cannon.

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@orangevegeta: vs debates would become a lot more streamlined if this concept was applied to every franchise.

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#27  Edited By Omega7373663

@reaperthegrim said:

@omega7373663: Show me where I said the games were unrelated to each other or non-cannon.

In your previous post I thought you were arguing about the games being non canon if you didn't meant that ..... My apologies then

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@amonfire1776 said:

Masterball still solos.

LMAO, imagine using Game Mechanics.

Hmm, Let's see, the Manga?

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Yah this statement needs to be stopped.

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Pokémon jobber when shulk demands it

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people wank kratos using this same kind of bs

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@userthatisme: That isn't a masterball...anyways the fact that pokemon had to avoid them is laughable.

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An ability to create is by no means equal to power...

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#34  Edited By Omega7373663

@amonfire1776 said:

An ability to create is by no means equal to power...

Creation aren't their only feats, Pokémons like Dialga and Pilikia were shown to have this ability to destroy an entire space-time contenum with theire physical strength alone : http://imgur.com/33vTfc6

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If I can beat it with a Rattata it's warranted ;)

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@amonfire1776 said:

An ability to create is by no means equal to power...

Creation aren't their only feats, Pokémons like Dialga and Pilikia were shown to have this ability to destroy an entire space-time contenum with theire physical strength alone : http://imgur.com/33vTfc6

is the rise of darkrai movie adapted from this manga? or its a different story. Also Manga name pls

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is the rise of darkrai movie adapted from this manga? or its a different story. Also Manga name pls

I believe it's a different story yes. The name of the Manga is : Pokémon Adventures

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still dies to thing

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