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#1 Edited by THORSON (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Are there any other black comic fans that disagree with the race changes?

Even if you are not black what is your opinion on race changes and the fact that sue storm and johnny are going to be black?

I think its stupid and shouldn't happen and I guess depending on the character.Since human torch and the invisible women has a major and in depth role, race changes should not be done.

This is just making it okay for characters like black panther to be white. Would I be okay with a black THOR? probably not. And I am black.

I just think that since they were white for over 30+ years , why bother change it?

That's just my opinion.

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#2 Posted by Emequious_Swerve (1302 posts) - - Show Bio

I am Puerto Rican and I personally think its dumb that they change the race of a character for what seems like PC reasons. They should be more worried about having a good story, but hey, you can only count on Hollywood for so much.

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#3 Posted by Maximus_Newcastle (2410 posts) - - Show Bio

It's 'dumb', in the way they shouldn't change the race of iconic characters just to appeal to another demographic. Any black comic geek knows theres not many of us (this thread right here is evidence)

But it's good, in the way it'll give the general public an idea of what leading role black actors would be like as super heroes characters. This move can show a lot of potential for paving the way to other black characters movies; Black Panther, Jon Stewart, Luke Cage, Black Lightning, and maybe even Static Shock. Theres an entire list of untapped black characters that need to break that media race barrier and this would be putting a nice crack in that barrier.

Not just for black characters but even Asian and Hispanic ones.

If your any race other than white and are mad that your favorite FF characters got race flipped, think of it more of an investment in the future for non-white characters, writers, all that, later down the road.

Go see it, buy the dvd, give it good reviews. It's a business and the only way we'll see more black or non white-characters on screen is if we financially support the idea of those characters in films, let the companies know it's stable ground to build on.

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#4 Posted by Farkam (9564 posts) - - Show Bio

It's Hollywood. It's a business. They are trying to appeal to the African-American demographic to make as much profit as they can from their products. I'm sick and tired of seeing "PC" being thrown around. It has nothing to do with that, it is all about the money.

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#5 Posted by cameron83 (8546 posts) - - Show Bio

JFC not this again.

No I do not think it is okay. It's just a way of exploitation,and they're s*itty version of diversity and open-mindedness is just the opposite and an insult to the character and the group that has the "benefit" of the representation. It's a s*itty cover up.

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#6 Edited by Farkam (9564 posts) - - Show Bio

The "diversity" excuse is just a cover-up for their exploitation. If diversity didn't bring in a little extra dough Hollywood wouldn't give a monkey's uncle about diversity.

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#7 Posted by GrenadeFlow (2140 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm black and I hate race changes just use black characters. I don't really care about Nick Fury since they used the ultimate version. A black Johnny Storm is something I hope doesn't happen because I'm not looking forward to the shit storm after the announcement like when they cast Sam Jackson etc

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#8 Posted by cameron83 (8546 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam said:

The "diversity" excuse is just a cover-up for their exploitation. If diversity didn't bring in a little extra dough Hollywood wouldn't give a monkey's uncle about diversity.

truth.

Not that this is diversity anyway. More like a slap to the character AND the group...

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#9 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (6537 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm black and I'm also against this race change for Johnny and Sue because the comic book universe already have enough black characters (Black Panther, Storm, Cyborg, Jon Stewart) and they should use these characters on the big screen. To me, changing the race of a character is not really going to make that character stand out as their own character. For example, if there was a movie about Storm, then she would be able to stand out as her own character and not as a different version of another character.

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#10 Posted by longbowhunter (9425 posts) - - Show Bio

I never mind when it's a supporting character. I thought Idris Elba was great as Heimdal. Lawrence Fishburn was ok as Perry White. When its a main character it takes me out of the story a bit though.

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#11 Posted by SideburnGuru (1371 posts) - - Show Bio

It's an awful idea to make them black. I'm white. Know what? I'd say the same thing if a black character was made white. It doesn't need to happen.

There are plenty of good white actors to play The Human Torch, and The Invincible Woman. There's no reason to change. And all my black friends, who go see these comic movies would also feel insulted.

We're past the dark age of slavery. We have a black man in office. There's really no need to have to cater to a demographic by making a confirmed white character black.

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#12 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4673 posts) - - Show Bio

@thorson said:

Are there any other black comic fans that disagree with the race changes?

Even if you are not black what is your opinion on race changes and the fact that sue storm and johnny are going to be black?

I think its stupid and shouldn't happen and I guess depending on the character.Since human torch and the invisible women has a major and in depth role, race changes should not be done.

This is just making it okay for characters like black panther to be white. Would I be okay with a black THOR? probably not. And I am black.

I just think that since they were white for over 30+ years , why bother change it?

That's just my opinion.

I'm black and I think it's weird to have a black Human Torch and Sue Storm! I agree with what you said!

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#13 Posted by Wolverine008 (50975 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm cool with it. I don't care much about race with comic characters in movies unless race is an important part to the character (Black Panther and Luke Cage come to mind.)

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#15 Posted by Mega_spidey01 (3080 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm cool with it. I don't care much about race with comic characters in movies unless race is an important part to the character (Black Panther and Luke Cage come to mind.)

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#16 Posted by flameboy298 (2805 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: How would you feel if Wolverine was changed to a Asian man?

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#17 Posted by Captain13 (4756 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm cool with it. I don't care much about race with comic characters in movies unless race is an important part to the character (Black Panther and Luke Cage come to mind.)

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#18 Posted by Black_Claw (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm black and I REALLY hope Michael B. Jordan isn't playing Human Torch because I simply just can't picture Johnny as African American. He'll always be the cocky white guy to me.

Like others have said, just give some existing black characters like Static or Black Panther their own movies instead of changing the race of already establised white ones such as Human Torch.

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#19 Posted by deaditegonzo (4168 posts) - - Show Bio

As long as theyre still brother and sister. At first, I had heard that only Johnny would be black, and I was like, well what about Sue?! So, anyway, this doesnt bother me.

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#21 Posted by patrat18 (11637 posts) - - Show Bio

If Johnny is black i don't mind. Just take it one character at a time. Make Sue an adopted sister.

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#22 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (8331 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting. Most change's are just being done for publicity or promotion. But I don't have any gripes about it as long as the story is good. It really doesn't bother me.

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#23 Edited by Joygirl (21036 posts) - - Show Bio

A good 40% of CV is black I think....

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#24 Edited by Yung ANcient One (5308 posts) - - Show Bio

I rather see T'Challa in the FF movie than Johnny suddenly be black. They better make a clone out of him in the ultimate universe or something.

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#25 Posted by OutlawRenegade (1394 posts) - - Show Bio

I rather see T'Challa in the FF movie than Johnny suddenly be black. They better make a clone out of him in the ultimate universe or something.

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Fox does not gave the rights to Black Panther. The only Black characters they have are X-Men.

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#26 Edited by OutlawRenegade (1394 posts) - - Show Bio

I cannot wait.

I Love It!
I Love It!

Plus, why complain when he has already signed on for the role?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1502712/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1

How does Johnny Storm being adopted affect the story at all?

Now we just need Kit Harington or Richard Madden for Reed, Margot Robbie for Sue, and Alan Ritchson for Ben. Ultimate Fantastic Four is the best version of the team IMHO. I'm happy it's being adapted.

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#27 Edited by Floopay (10573 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope, not a single one.... :P

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

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#28 Posted by captnmcdeadpool (1003 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it's ridiculous.

If Marvel really wanted to address diversity in comics, they could've done so with an already existing Black character. To me, Blue Marvel would've been a no-brainer.

Sheesh. Want to know what's cool about Spawn? He's a Black character for no other reason than.....sometimes people are Black.

How about that for a novel idea. *rolls eyes*

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#29 Posted by JeanRalphio (1886 posts) - - Show Bio

It's an awful idea to make them black. I'm white. Know what? I'd say the same thing if a black character was made white. It doesn't need to happen.

There are plenty of good white actors to play The Human Torch, and The Invincible Woman. There's no reason to change. And all my black friends, who go see these comic movies would also feel insulted.

We're past the dark age of slavery. We have a black man in office. There's really no need to have to cater to a demographic by making a confirmed white character black.

Invisible,of course "your black friends" will feel "insulted"and Obama is not black.

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#30 Posted by tupiaz (2259 posts) - - Show Bio

I can stop thinking that if happened to a character that was not white and was change to white where race isn't that important (for instance War Machine or blade). It would be so wrong and racism but when you allow white characters to change the colour haven't you then just given the white character another benefit versus being a coloured character? The white character is this way more human and more a representation of everybody and the black characters only represent the blacks. If there is no real purpose in changing the colour/ethnicity then why do it? If it doesn't change who the character is then I see no reason for it. Sometimes a coloured actor fit the role very good like Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin - even though I have spoke against this because I think the Kingpin represent a white mafia like organisation. But as an actor he did a great job and his size was perfect for the role. Changing it for the sake of changing it just seem to get good PR and there is no real value behind it. Instead of making all kind of white characters coloured DC and Marvel should do more effort to push book with black characters like John Stewart, Blade, War Machine and Luke Cage.