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#1 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

There is a lot of people who do not want Goku to be the one to win the tournament. Idk why.

DBZ is about Goku, it's always been about Goku.

Why are so many people for Gohan, or 17, or someone to be the main character? It's never made sense.

Goku will be the final universe 7 warrior and idk how that isn't obvious.

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#2 Posted by SeaGod (4695 posts) - - Show Bio

Not against but would rather see their favorites win. Goku is sort of like Medaka from Medaka Box. In all honesty he isn't a good character but the supporting characters are much more fleshed out and enjoyable. So it isn't about hating Goku just enjoying different characters.

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#3 Posted by Thedarkpaladin (22886 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he's a loser.

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#4 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@seagod: fair point. But some also say Goku always wins when he actually barely wins lol. He loses more than he wins so I don't get how he always is the main hero

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#5 Edited by zackisme (374 posts) - - Show Bio

I got a feeling that Jiren will hand Goku his a**.

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#6 Posted by LpnQ (3954 posts) - - Show Bio

It's comicvine norm to hate goku.

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#7 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@zackisme: at first I agree.

But Goku will limit break to even it up.

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#8 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@lpnq: but even other places are against it. Reddit for example wants Gohan to take the lead, even though it's been shown before Gohan just can't carry the show himself

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#9 Posted by IceDemonKing (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

I've always wondered this too. It might just be me but I've never seen a main character get as much hate as Goku does for beating the villain or just being the one doing the best against the villain. Usually all I see is "Why isn't vegeta getting the kill? Why does Vegeta always have to lose to Goku?Why is Goku the main character, Vegeta should be the main character." and blah blah blah and all this other crap. Its like this all the time.

I'm not saying other characters shouldn't get a chance in the spotlight but come on this is Goku's series. The MC usually gets the win.

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#10 Posted by SeaGod (4695 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaycool2: it's mostly cause Toriyama is bad at letting other characters have any spotlight. Other series the supporting cast gets moments to be a badass however in DBZ unless you are Goku you are fodder or those that they do beat are so usless that it's laughable to even use that to let the character shine.

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#11 Edited by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@seagod: Vegeta got a huge moment to shine by stomping black. Gohan got a big win in the exhibition match.

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#12 Posted by Elpizo (218 posts) - - Show Bio

@scotchbear: false, DBZ has always been about Gohan and there are several indications of it.

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#13 Edited by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@elpizo: like when Gohan beat frieza? Or when Gohan kill Buu? Hmmmm.

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#14 Posted by SeaGod (4695 posts) - - Show Bio

@scotchbear: those are hollow wins in the grand scheme of things. It's practically like saying Yamcha beating a Saibaman was a big deal.

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#15 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (2802 posts) - - Show Bio

There is a lot of people who do not want Goku to be the one to win the tournament. Idk why.

DBZ is about Goku, it's always been about Goku.

Why are so many people for Gohan, or 17, or someone to be the main character? It's never made sense.

Goku will be the final universe 7 warrior and idk how that isn't obvious.

DBS has been anything but obvious or predictable in that regard.

Anyway;

Jiren the Goat gone be the one to win the tournament. He's going to be handing out L's harder than a social security hack.

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#16 Posted by Elpizo (218 posts) - - Show Bio

@scotchbear: Or like when he was depicted the whole serious as being the strongest nonfused character and one of the only characters to get developed, and for the cake, why Goku dies or disappears at the end of each arc

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#17 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@seagod: yamchas W over a saibaman is top 5 most important victory in dbz

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#18 Edited by SeaGod (4695 posts) - - Show Bio

@scotchbear: yeah cause it was the start of the Yamcha sucks joke.

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#19 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@elpizo: then why does Goku reappear. Oh ya. Main character. The show is about him.

Vegito is the strongest character in DBZ, does that mean DBZ is about him? Being the strongest doesn't make the show about you.

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#20 Posted by Elpizo (218 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Shonen Jump kept making him continue the product. I think you missed the point of nonfused character and then the whole we have to make them defuse because of plot.

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#21 Posted by MajinBlackheart (9468 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't care who wins I just hope it's good.

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#22 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@elpizo: where did being the strongest non fused character get him? Stomped by buutenks. GOKU had to show up and save him. GOKU was the one who fought the final battle with buu.

It also blows my mind how against ass pulls for Goku people are.

Gohan and 17 multiply their power by 100s if not 1000s of times in an episode, makes sense.

Goku uses kk x10, awful ass pull makes no sense.

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#23 Posted by Elpizo (218 posts) - - Show Bio

Um, you know Goku would have got stomped worse right? You know Goku couldn't even beat Super Buu? You know if Gohan was there to fight Kid Buu, Kid Buu gets stomped hard...

It makes more sense for Gohan than anyone else because we have seen him show multiple times show untapped potential

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#24 Edited by AkshSarpanch (3573 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku is my fav. protagonist of all time.

But I'm rooting for Hit in the tournament cuz he is badass af.

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#25 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@elpizo: but Gohan didn't fight kid Buu. He got foddered by him with the earth.

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#26 Edited by Elpizo (218 posts) - - Show Bio

@scotchbear: Because it would make no sense to have him fight Kid Buu because Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu, hence PLOT

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#27 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@elpizo: because Goku is the main character and was going to get the win. Hell Vegeta is more important than Gohan.

The tournament will have Goku vs jiren as the finale. Goku will limit break and it'll be epic and about Goku like it should be.

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#28 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (2802 posts) - - Show Bio

@elpizo: because Goku is the main character and was going to get the win. Hell Vegeta is more important than Gohan.

The tournament will have Goku vs jiren as the finale. Goku will limit break and it'll be epic and about Goku like it should be.

Jiren going to give him that handmade L

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#29 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@elpizo: they could have made kid Buu stronger, why didn't they?

Because the show is about Goku and they wanted Goku to win.

That's what I mean.

I'm not denying gohan wasn't stronger, I'm saying he isn't the main character, no one wanted him to be.

The show is about Goku, so I don't know why people get mad and surprised when the show revolves around him.

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#30 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT: that would be boring and predictable. Goku always loses in super.

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#31 Posted by zoldycklogic (1094 posts) - - Show Bio

@seagod:

  • Piccolo killed raditz
  • Trunks killed Frieza
  • Gohan killed cell
  • Vegeta was a badass fighting the cyborgs and semi perfect cell
  • Goten and Trunks ( Gotenks ) fighting Buu evenly
  • Mystic Gohan was the best character in the Buu arc stomping super Buu
  • Vegeta achievement of SSB was much more impressive than Goku's
  • Vegeta stomping Black

PS: Goku participated in 5 Tournaments up until now and only got to win one of them if i remember correctly.

I personally want goku to win this tournament and that his next transformation will be exclusive for him. but i believe that neither will happen cuz toriyama want's Vegeta and Goku to be almost on the same level for ever.

Korin is the oldest character on the show, he is 730 Y.O ..... then there is Roshi's turtle: 543 Y.O ... then Roshi himself is 350 Y.O

Just sayin

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#32 Edited by LeonardoTMNT (2802 posts) - - Show Bio

@scotchbear said:

@elpizo: they could have made kid Buu stronger, why didn't they?

Because the show is about Goku and they wanted Goku to win.

That's what I mean.

I'm not denying gohan wasn't stronger, I'm saying he isn't the main character, no one wanted him to be.

The show is about Goku, so I don't know why people get mad and surprised when the show revolves around him.

No one is mad about Goku being the main character, it is expected. With DBS, it almost feels as if everyone is irrelevant in comparison to Goku. This was not the case in Z. For me personally, I'd like to see others at least show they're useful. Take Vegeta for example, for how strong he is it seems he get's clowned on every single arc to prop up the new baddie. Which is always followed up by Goku beating the 'baddie' in question. Gohan and the rest have been basically fodder.

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#33 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@zoldycklogic: don't worry I think Goku will bring the w home this time.

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#34 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (2802 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT: that would be boring and predictable. Goku always loses in super.

Goku winning is just as predictable, if not more since he is the main character and all.

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#35 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (2802 posts) - - Show Bio

@seagod:

  • Piccolo killed raditz
  • Trunks killed Frieza
  • Gohan killed cell
  • Vegeta was a badass fighting the cyborgs and semi perfect cell
  • Goten and Trunks ( Gotenks ) fighting Buu evenly
  • Mystic Gohan was the best character in the Buu arc stomping super Buu
  • Vegeta achievement of SSB was much more impressive than Goku's
  • Vegeta stomping Black

PS: Goku participated in 5 Tournaments up until now and only got to win one of them if i remember correctly.

I personally want goku to win this tournament and that his next transformation will be exclusive for him. but i believe that neither will happen cuz toriyama want's Vegeta and Goku to be almost on the same level for ever.

Korin is the oldest character on the show, he is 730 Y.O ..... then there is Roshi's turtle: 543 Y.O ... then Roshi himself is 350 Y.O

Just sayin

He won against Tien and Piccolo in two separate tournaments.

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#36 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT: Goku winning would actually be a holy crap Goku actually won moment. If they have his new form be epic it'll all just be amazing.

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#37 Posted by SeaGod (4695 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT: Actually Goku lost to Tien in the finals but beat him in the next tournament.

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#38 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (2802 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT: Goku winning would actually be a holy crap Goku actually won moment. If they have his new form be epic it'll all just be amazing.

It would be nice for Goku to win. But far from a 'Holy Crap!' moment. Now if Frieza, or even Vegeta won the tournament for U7 that would catch everyone by surprise.

Everyone is expecting Goku or Jiren to win, based on the intro. No big surprise if either does in fact take home the gold.

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#39 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT: I think it'll be epic because I honestly think we are closer to the end of DBS than I want to admit.

Goku's limit break will set him up to fight the mortal that's stronger than their GoD.

If that isn't the final arc then one final arc with frieza or something will be it.

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#40 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (2802 posts) - - Show Bio

@seagod said:

@LeonardoTMNT: Actually Goku lost to Tien in the finals but beat him in the next tournament.

Thanks for the correction

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#41 Posted by SeaGod (4695 posts) - - Show Bio
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#42 Edited by RukelnikovFTW (6142 posts) - - Show Bio

Krillin is my fav character, but it wouldn't make sense for him to beat Jiren, I just expect a good showing from him, and maybe I do have a lil hope that Gohan gets another of his moments since along with Piccolo they are some of my most liked characters.

However, it would be cool that things don't work in Goku's favor for once, if only to bring "suspense" to the series again. Super is sorely lacking in stakes, and has been since its beginning. This arc should've been the direst moment of the franchise, and yet... it doesn't inspire that feeling of dread, as the saiyans, Frieza or others have along the series. Goku failing to win the tournament would be a "shit just got real" moment, and that would be cool.

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#43 Posted by Clamps (389 posts) - - Show Bio

Because its predictable writing to have him come out on top of the tournament and not learning anything or having any repercussions.

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#44 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio

@clamps: how is it predictable? He barely wins.

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#45 Posted by deactivated-5a2b0053414c5 (8165 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally don't want him to win because that would mean he somehow beat Jiren... which shouldn't be allowed if Jiren is truly as strong/stronger than a GoD. In addition, I'd rather see someone else in the spotlight

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#46 Posted by Clamps (389 posts) - - Show Bio

@clamps: how is it predictable? He barely wins.

"Oh look protagonist XYZ overcomes a problem he helped create and is indifferent about again, lets have him win instead of having the person we hyped up to win actually defeat him. We can keep his character development or any potentially new feedback from this arc at bay by having him win".

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#47 Posted by Scotchbear (2231 posts) - - Show Bio
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#48 Edited by kyrees (13547 posts) - - Show Bio

it effectively halts the story if goku magically beats someone stronger than a GoD because there is no one else that is going to be a threat unless you want goku to defeat zeno.

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#49 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18103 posts) - - Show Bio

I want Frieza to win. #makefreizathehero

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#50 Posted by MajinBlackheart (9468 posts) - - Show Bio

I want Frieza to win. #makefreizathehero

I can't agree with the hashtag, but I just watched episode 95 and I wouldn't mind that outcome.

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