UI Goku and Jiren is Stronger than Beerus

In the video below Whis states that Belmond is stronger than Beerus and it is already confirmed that Jiren is stronger than Belomond. If we combine this with the manga fight between the GoDs, then wouldn't that put Jiren over Beerus as well as the other GoDs?

The level of Beerus is not fully defined, so my answer is: I'm not sure.

If Goku or Jiren are stronger than Beerus I’d be disappointed TBH.

Vegeta or Frieza need to be the first to beat Beerus so they can become the new God of destruction. Goku is getting boring.

The manga is different, there's no point in mixing.

I am pretty sure that Jiren is not stronger than hakaishins when he is suppressed. Only when he is using his full power or so...

So yes Jiren is stronger than Beerus probably. But we still haven't seen enough from Goku to put him at Jiren's level. For all we know Goku was having a hard fight with a suppressed Jiren.

Or instead of making a thread that covers a topic that has been done, you could simply wait for you know... actual feats.

It's crazy how due to poor powerscaling by fans and the show. The gods keep getting more powerful without any actual feats

@jashugan: Two god can destroy each other's universe. Meaning that both of them are universal beings.

@gokuandsuperman: I feel like you missed the point of my comment

Wasn't Whis talking about Universe 4 not Universe 11?

Jiren himself is a confirmed above Hakaishin level being. For UI Goku, we will have to wait but he is up there.

The last few manga chapters have next to confirmed that beerus is still above jiren and MUI goku from the TOP.

@gideongarner01: how

Nothing was proven. Unless you wanna make the dumb argument of Beerus' blank expression meaning he's > MUI Goku and Moro lmao.

@takenstew22: wait then what is he on about?

Have no idea. Probably the thing I just mentioned. He thinks his opinion is above everyone else and insults them for it lol.

In the anime no doubt. I have Beerus > Omen ToP Goku though but MUI ToP Goku > Beerus.

Manga Beerus is a different matter, not sure to which extent.

Beerus may be stronger than Full power Jiren, but he's not stronger than Limit Breaker Jiren or UI Goku. Not in the manga or anime.