Granola Wish Misconception

In this thread I'll be going a little in depth on the wish that Granola makes to the dragon, and why it in no way implies that Beerus is above everyone due to it (at least not above MUI Goku).

First, lets look at the scan in question and the actual words that were said:

Granola states his wish as wanting to be the most powerful warrior in the universe. Notice the wording in which he states that he wants to be the most powerful "warrior". Gods are not considered warriors in the manga and the distinction is always made between the two whenever the comparison is made. The dragon then restates Granola's wish (Something that everyone wish dragon does). He does not make his own comment regarding his power and the gods. He just reiterates the wish that Granola wants.

Granola: I wish to become the most powerful/greatest warrior in the universe.

Dragon: Ok, so you wish to become the greatest "life-form" apart from deities.

Granola: Yes

Another reason why this context makes sense is due to the fact that Granola was below the Kais before the wish was made. It would be a clear contradiction on the dragon's part if he was saying that he wouldn't be stronger than the gods.

Reason #2: If the wish was made in U11, then Granola would be above Jiren, which would make him above Belmod by default. This would go in line with the dragon restating that he wants to be the most powerful life-form instead of making him weaker than the gods.

Reason #3: UI Goku is superior to Beerus. We have multiple statements in regards to UI being above Beerus, as well as Beerus alluding to ot being above him. Moro Arc UI is also above Jiren and comparable in power to Merus (Angel Moro).

This explanation makes more sense and follows the narrative that has already been established. There is no imaginary retcon or Beerus's power as some keep stating. If he really was still a bar, then Whis wouldn't have given him a new one with a new ultimate goal.

Let me know your thoughts

@jonathancarlton: exactly my thoughts

@jonathancarlton: even naruto verse got better feats then tree level Granola and Ui Goku 🤡

The fact that people still need to try and use their headcanon on something that blatantly stated so clearly that a baby can understand is pathetic

Whis> Beerus > Granola

That's who it goes

Accept it and move on

@jaakor: As soon as you're able to actually formulate an argument against it with facts and feats, then we'll move on.

Pretty accurate.

Jiren is complete fodder from two arcs ago.

Beerus is unsurpassed and states that he can make Vegeta surpass Perfected UI Goku with ONE of his techniques lmao.

Even Current Vegeta should be above Moro-73 who's much more powerful than Jiren.

Beerus is far above Current MUI Goku as stated by Toyotaro in an interview - https://dragon-ball-official.com/movie/01_393.html

See 12:30.

As if we needed proof to debunk this joke of a thread, the latest interview pretty much does it.

This can be locked now

@dbzfan44: You can keep riding Toyopedro if you want, but even he himself admits that big decisions as far as the story and characters come from Toriyama. Considering they're setting Goku up to be above Whis and even the GP, whatever Toyo says in passing will mean nothing.

Eventually Beerus will be forgotten like the others.

To it simply, the dude's the strongest mortal (non-deity) in U7. What's interesting about that he doesn't even have UI and still bested UI Goku like what Jiren did back during the T.o. P .

@jonathancarlton said:

Greatest Warrior Granolah defeated Perfected Ultra Instinct Goku in a fight with a single finger poke. Perfected Ultra Instinct Goku defeated Earth Moro in a fight who was already stronger than Merus by simply copying him, let alone merging with the Earth. Merus maybe a trainee, but he is still an Angel; therefore by default he should be stronger than Beerus who is only a God of Destruction. Beerus wankers are the worst.

Agreed.