Who would win??
Whis cant use Time Travel is the only rule.
Whis supermegauberslaughtercurbstomps with casual ease
we can't be sure about that yet...because for all we know is he could of supassed whis
@mrx1122: the fact he only caused a beerus tier pain with regular UI means Perfected UI better be a MASSIVE amp, because SSG BOG goku was a 6 while Beerus is a 10, and we know that beerus was using nowhere near 1% of his power, otherwise RoF SSB Goku would be as strong or stronger than Beerus, and Beerus can arguably beat Jiren. And whis was a fifteen, so the difference between him and beerus is more massive than Beerus and BoG SSG goku.
@drpepperman: The 6,10, and 15 scale isn’t cannon anymore.
@omega_kai: even if it's not, beerus was using alot less than his full power against Goku and we know that Whis would curb him.
Whis can rewind time, Goku can't, not to mention Whis is like trillions of times faster than light.
read rules lol
Ah... Still Whis, I don't think UI Goku will be able to dodge punches from someone who is tremendously faster than him, Whis has UI too, probably more power also.
Featless lmao
Whis blitzes and one shots like he did to Beerus BY FEATS.
On point lmao, Whis travels the Universe like it's a stroll in the Park and one chops someone who casually one punches Planets. He is featless tho.
@zokologue3: Whis isn't featless. He destroyed a planet with a tap from the staff, rewinded time, one-shot Beerus and displayed matter manip.
Although he does need more feats.
OT: Idk, i see UI Goku at Beerus level, so Whis.
@zokologue3: Whis isn't featless. He destroyed a planet with a tap from the staff, rewinded time, one-shot Beerus and displayed matter manip.
Although he does need more feats.
OT: Idk, i see UI Goku at Beerus level, so Whis.
PERFECT UI is above Beerus level and Beerus is the strongest god of destruction. He doesnt mastered UI yet.
Whis featless ?. The man one shot a god of destruction who is universal level and travel across to Whis location from different galaxy within a 1-2 minutes. MUI Goku is probably the only person that can fight the angels, but he would still get curbstomp.
Even asuming Jiren >= Beerus, Whis has one-shotted Beerus on several occasions, so, unless MUI Goku OHKOs Jiren, or is close to that, it would be really hard to make a case for him.
@rukelnikovftw: No. Goku isn't gonna be jumping that high in power ?. That right there would be way to aspulling. He was what under 50 percent of a god and now is god of destruction or above that tier. Now jumping from that to close to Angel tier. Goku only deserves be angel tier or above that in the next shows ending if we get one. People said Goku isn't gonna reach Beerus, but that went downhill fast. So yea not surprised if we get Goku turning to some god like being.
@gokuandsuperman: Beerus stomps the power between him and a full powered ssj blue is like a leave compared to a asteral tree and also if a ssj full powered trained for a million he still wouldn't reach Beerus. Both manga and anime confirm this and ui isn't even that far from ssj blue full powered.
Mastered Ultra Instinct is at best above Beerus in a good fight. Whis could stomp Beerus. Whis should win this fight with ease, but I dont see it anywhere near a yolo stomp. I am nit even sure he flat out stomps either.
@rukelnikovftw: No. Goku isn't gonna be jumping that high in power ?. That right there would be way to aspulling. He was what under 50 percent of a god and now is god of destruction or above that tier. Now jumping from that to close to Angel tier. Goku only deserves be angel tier or above that in the next shows ending if we get one. People said Goku isn't gonna reach Beerus, but that went downhill fast. So yea not surprised if we get Goku turning to some god like being.
I agree, I was explaining why I don't think MUI Goku can compete with Whis... and tbh, I can't argue this, but I still think Beerus would beat UI Goku, we'll see if MUI changes my opinion.
We have no confirmation that Goku or Jiren have surpassed even Beerus. Lol what a stretch. MUI Vegito would be more fair though. Whis is not just above GOD level where Goku has just gotten to. Whis is so far ahead of the GOD it isn’t funny. In his supressed state he can one shot possibly the strongest GOD in Beerus. Whis stomps.
@gaoron: He used time machine or time ring?
@raxxx: Why do people keep saying Beerus has been surpassed with no confirmation yet. First it was Jiren > Beerus then UI > Beerus. Now it’s MUI > Beerus. The show has given no indication of him truly being surpassed. Not at all. He’s never once compared himself in power to goku vegeta or Jiren, nor has whis mentioned that they have surpassed him. If it’s going to happen it’d probably be this new MUI though if I were to bet. This is the final few episodes so I could see them making Goku surpass him. Just because Jiren has surpassed his own GOD doesn’t mean he’s stronger than EVERY GOD. Beerus is definitely stronger than Jiren to me and everyone else shown in this tournament including Royal Blue Vegeta and unmastered UI. MUI could have the nod though.
Beerus had to go serious to take down in one shot Vegeta. Plus UI is big freaking difference bro. SSB X20 Goku got curbstomp and spirit bomb got blink away to be destroyed. Plus manga characters are weaker. So obviously Jiren performed the same thing like what Beerus did to Vegeta in manga and Jiren didn't even power up at all. Beerus power up to smash Vegeta body into the ground which cause big as hole. While Jiren punch Goku hard in the stomach and sent his as across the ring out. Even SSBKK X20 which is probably same, stronger, or little weaker than MSSB got curb stomp easily. Even then Jiren blinking the spirit bomb with no struggle and standing still is more impressive than what Beerus did to Vegeta.
@raxxx: Why do people keep saying Beerus has been surpassed with no confirmation yet. First it was Jiren > Beerus then UI > Beerus. Now it’s MUI > Beerus. The show has given no indication of him truly being surpassed. Not at all. He’s never once compared himself in power to goku vegeta or Jiren, nor has whis mentioned that they have surpassed him. If it’s going to happen it’d probably be this new MUI though if I were to bet. This is the final few episodes so I could see them making Goku surpass him. Just because Jiren has surpassed his own GOD doesn’t mean he’s stronger than EVERY GOD. Beerus is definitely stronger than Jiren to me and everyone else shown in this tournament including Royal Blue Vegeta and unmastered UI. MUI could have the nod though.
man it's easy to understand: Whis always said Beerus had unmastered UI then MUI > Unmastered UI = MUI Goku > Beruus
@raxxx: Your agreeing with me then. Re read what I said. I agree this will probably be the form to finally surpass beerus. As for unmastered UI and Jiren, beerus is still more powerful. MUI Goku > Beerus > Jiren >=< Future Trunks arc Vegito Blue > UI Goku
@raxxx: Your agreeing with me then. Re read what I said. I agree this will probably be the form to finally surpass beerus. As for unmastered UI and Jiren, beerus is still more powerful. MUI Goku > Beerus > Jiren >=< Future Trunks arc Vegito Blue > UI Goku
yeah i agree with you then, now I want know if MUI = Angels or no. Maybe MUI is angel's level, it's weird MUI form have white hair as angels also...
@omega_kai: it can be canon if those numbers are exponential, lol
@shenron007: none of it
@gaoron: evidence i am sure it wasn't shown how trunks and Whis went to the future.
I don't think the angels or Zen-Oh are characters Goku is meant to surpass and defeat. They aren't obstacles but rather sources of knowledge to help Goku surpass the gods. Beerus is the main goal of Super, and I imagine Super will end when Goku finally stands on equal footing with him or surpasses him. But going after the angels? It wouldn't make for all that interesting of a story. The angels are just servants. They exist to serve their god of destruction and seem to be a part of the multiverse as a whole rather than individuals who rose to the position. Angels don't have any agency of their own, really. Whis just keeps Beerus in check and ensures that Beerus stays strong, while at the same time training possible candidates to replace him.
So even if Goku fully masters UI and becomes stronger than Beerus I doubt he'll ever be a threat to Whis.
Whis should stomp .
Although both have UI , Whis has presumably been using it for like millions of years . Goku , on the other hand , has just mastered it.
+ Whis should have more hax and ultra powerful techniques . Not to mention that his stats should be far above Goku's.
Both are a mixture of speculation, fan theories and hype. Let's actually wai...oh who I am I kidding.
@metaljimmor: 40's years old and still has 40 years left in his prime. People said Beerus wouldn't be surpass, but look at this now. Toriyama isn't gonna have his poster boy be underneath 18 characters.
To be fair, people said that because Toriyama himself said he wasn't planning on it. Beerus was set up to be the goal that Goku will aspire toward. Whis isn't a goal. The angels aren't warriors, they are teachers and servants. From a story perspective there isn't much reason for him to surpass them in power.
It's always possible of course. They could have the Grand Priest go rogue, but we've already had a celestial being turn evil and try to rule everything in Zamasu. What would the Grand Priest really bring to the table as a villain that hasn't been done? More than that, Zen-Oh's ability to just appear and win any struggle Goku faces kills any future villains that might arise, and Zen-Oh isn't a martial artist, so him being Goku's next foe wouldn't make much sense.
@metaljimmor: They are still fighters. They aren't some jabronis with some high as power. The Angels had to be trained and used their powers. End of the day the Angels are fighters themselves. Just that they are doing their jobs.
Let's at least wait and see what he's capable of.
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