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TOTALLY AWESOME HULK #10

(W) Greg Pak (A) Mahmud A. Asrar (CA) Terry Dodson

CIVIL WAR II TIE-INS!

TOTALLY AWESOME T'CHALLA!

• Still reeling from a blindsiding loss, Amadeus Cho might be in over his head when the one and only Black Panther comes calling...

Rated T

In Shops: Sep 28, 2016SRP: $3.99

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#1 Posted by SEGENIS (164 posts) - - Show Bio

Boooy that art is thic

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#2 Posted by GreenScar1990 (1755 posts) - - Show Bio

Good art. 'Tis a shame it is, much like Greg Pak's talent, being used/wasted on Amadeus Cho instead of Dr. Bruce Banner/The Hulk. Then again, it's the likes of Brian Bendis, Axel Alonso and Gerry Duggan who have and still seek to defile & insult the legacy of Banner/Hulk.

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#3 Posted by Supi (185 posts) - - Show Bio

Even that I want the original Hulk back I really enjoyed this title!

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#4 Posted by shinobi62676 (147 posts) - - Show Bio

Good art. 'Tis a shame it is, much like Greg Pak's talent, being used/wasted on Amadeus Cho instead of Dr. Bruce Banner/The Hulk. Then again, it's the likes of Brian Bendis, Axel Alonso and Gerry Duggan who have and still seek to defile & insult the legacy of Banner/Hulk.

OMG, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HATE TO THE DOC GREEN RUN, THAT SHIT WAS AWESOME AS HELL AND DESERVES TO HAVE A MORE PROPER CONCLUSION!

Sorry for the all caps, guess I was "triggered" or whatever.

Look I thought the run was epic as hell because it had what I like most about the Hulk, his more nefarious and intriguing personalities running rampant like they did during the legendary Peter David years. And for real, my only real problem is how they didn't tell us how they took care of the rogue Banner A.I. copy, for all we know he's still running wild out there like it's nothing, and them not even acknowledging that makes it real hard to get into this new Cho Hulk run. Well that and the fact that the Cho design isn't as interesting or as over-the-top as it should be. If was really Totally Awesome then he could IDK, manipulate the mutation to give himself attributes you wouldn't normally associate with Banner Hulk like grow Harpy wings and claws or A-Bomb skin or something, cause Totally Awesome to me is supposed to be stupid cool.

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#5 Posted by Mooty_Pass (9257 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm Interesting....Interesting.

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#6 Edited by deactivated-5b3ffc872a35d (289 posts) - - Show Bio

Are they going to change the title to "He-Hulk" now?

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#7 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope Cho Hulk gets killed by Maestro.

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#8 Posted by VenomMelendez (430 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenscar1990:

You realize that Greg Pak created Amadeus Cho, right? It seems like you don't aND it seems like you don't realize that Pak enjoys writing Cho.

So since he obviously doesn't think he's wasting his talents, who are you to judge?

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#9 Posted by Jeremy1989 (1804 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn, his sister is annoying as f*ck.

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#10 Posted by GreenScar1990 (1755 posts) - - Show Bio

@venommelendez:

I'm quite aware that Pak created Amadeus as I've read the character since his creation about a decade ago & was a immediate fan/follower/reader of Incredible Hercules. And he was a good character then without the need of becoming a Hulk! Sure, Pak enjoys writing Amadeus, but that doesn't mean anything to readers/fans of Bruce Banner/The Hulk, who are not interested in following the adventures of Amadeus Cho. In fact, besides issues 5, 7,8 and 9... Totally Awesome Hulk has been pretty lackluster.

@shinobi62676:

Despite the numerous plot-holes the Omega Hulk arch had, which there were many, and the mediocre ending/finale? Or are you unaware of them?

Plus, Doc Green may have had potential at first, but he turned out to be a total pansy as the series progressed. I mean, needing the aid of Deadpool and a special bullet to beat Red Hulk? Really? Hell, Hulk has beaten Red Hulk without aid, both in Savage Hulk & later nearly effortlessly Green Scar personas (their last previous conflict at the end of World War Hulks when Red Hulk was amped by the power of Galactus Cosmic Hulk Robot and even attempted to drain Green Scar only to fail & get his ass handed to him).

And let's not forget the total unnecessary depowering of Skaar, Red Hulk, Red She-Hulk and A-Bomb and how they were totally mischaracterized. Yet Jen & Lyra get spared?! And the whole teasing of the Maestro went nowhere, along with what the nanites within the suppressed/depowered Hulks are capable of and the A.I. Gammon.

If anything, Omega Hulk was underwhelming at best. It had a lot of potential, but failed on so many levels. And Duggan must still want to utterly defile Hulk/Banner's legacy, judging by the upcoming Uncanny Avengers issues with a Zombie Hulk resurrected by the Hand!

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#11 Posted by SlimeBeherit (188 posts) - - Show Bio

I was wondering where Mahmud Asrar would end up now that he's off Avengers, and this is actually a really good fit for him. I hope he stays on the book for the rest of the series.

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#12 Posted by Mooty_Pass (9257 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder why would the Panther be chasing after Hulk?

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#13 Edited by shinobi62676 (147 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenscar1990: You brought this super long rant onto yourself.

Jesus Christ O'Mighty, I could just literally answer most of the shtick you coming at me with by saying: CAUSE THE RUN WASN'T PROPERLY FINISHED!!!

Let me put it this way: there was a rumor going on awhile back that Rick Remender was going to takeover the X-Men comics after Secret Wars, not Jeff Lemire. Now of course that didn't happen and frankly because it was a rumor we probably shouldn't buy into it much, buuuuut, looking at what he had done before leaving Marvel Comics, be it the Magneto Quicksilver Scarlet Witch retcon, making Havok inverted, creating PymTron (or UltraPym), and God knows what else he may have done with the Uncanny Avengers book (I heard it described as "epic"), I think it's safe to say he had some major stories planned that either are being addressed (the recent Uncanny Avengers storyline showing PymTron returning), or will be addressed, or will just fall by the wayside cause new writers just don't want to deal with it.

That's what most likely happened with the Gerry Duggan Doc Green run! I find it very hard to believe that what we saw in issue Hulk Vol 3 issue 16 was all that was being planned considering what the series had shown beforehand. What was the true endgame for depowering all the other Hulks besides She-Hulk? Don't know because we didn't get a proper ending! What was the deal with all the Maestro hype? Don't know because we didn't get a proper ending! What about the rogue A.I. and nanites? Don't know because we didn't get a proper ending! Are you seeing the pattern I'm seeing?

Now of course there is also the possibility that the Maestro teasing was just to tangentially hype people for Secret Wars Future Imperfect and Contest of Champions and that the depowereing of all the other Hulks was because Marvel, for some reason said "F*** it, too many Hulks, let's do some culling" but I highly doubt that since the A.I. thing still hasn't even gotten a proper mention on what happened to it.

So, I think there is a lot of reason to believe that the previous run was going somewhere but the ANAD Marvel status changes got in the way of that. Why? My best guess is cause Marvel is pretty arrogant right now when you consider the current direction of the company despite the fan backlash and noticeable drops in sales rankings (only three Marvel titles in the top 30 of August 2016, that's insane considering what it was like last year). Although it is understandable when they got Disney money now.

And as for the depiction of Doc Green's level of power, uh IIRC I believe it was said that he wasn't sleeping so he can keep the other personalities from taking over. I can easily see that affecting his performance, along with the fact that I don't think every Hulk personality has the same level of strength (for instance I don't think Joe Fixit is as strong as Savage). Also, I prefer characters using more than just raw strength in their battles anyways. I want to see a display of wit and resourcefulness and if that involves a shameless (yet still funny) "plug" of Deadpool in the story? I'm all game.

In terms of how consistent this was to previous depictions of the characters, not gonna lie, I usually don't stick too closely too that stuff when it involves different writers otherwise I'd go nuts (i.e. emotional Michael Caine in Scott Snyder's Batman vs sassy smart-mouth Alfred in Tom King's Batman). I will say though they definitely did the Gamma Corps a disservice (then again that's nothing new). Cause it looked like they confused Gray and Mr Gideon. After Doc Green dehulked the Gamma Corps it looks like Brian Talbot when dehulked is a black guy, but that doesn't make any sense considering what I know and have seen of the character. So that was the only thing that bugged me.

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#14 Edited by Inglewoodian (102 posts) - - Show Bio

Whoever made up this bs needs to be publicly flogged....nice artwork tho. I can't believe this crap has lasted this long. I also hate that Marvel loves to consistently remind me ever so often that they let some shithead ruin the greatest POC marriage in comic history, Black Panther & Storm for a dumb ass reason that could have easily been worked out. If Reed & Susan can work thru all the bs they've dealt with why can't exclusively POC couples do it? Just stop...

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#15 Posted by jim158 (290 posts) - - Show Bio

The Storm and Black Panther cover is awesome!

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#16 Posted by GreenScar1990 (1755 posts) - - Show Bio

@shinobi62676:

So you're big excuse for all the plot-holes, mischaracterization of the Hulks, and numerous other flaws that have taken place in the 12 issue storyline is that it didn't get a proper ending?

Seriously? That's all you got to back you up?

I could have done a better story with 12 issues and given it a proper ending better than Gerry Duggan did with his whole Omega Hulk arch!

All you have given is a whole lot of assumptions and theories on the whole Omega Hulk arch and claiming that Duggan did not or was not allowed to give it a proper ending. Nothing more, nothing less.

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#17 Posted by Thedailybagel (12438 posts) - - Show Bio

Can we have a fight please, just one actual fight? We're 10 issues into a hulk book and there hasn't been a single decent fight.

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#18 Edited by shinobi62676 (147 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenscar1990: You damn right that's my "big excuse"! And it's a solid one too when you consider: A) in case you ain't notice, Marvel made a lot of ridiculous goddamn changes to their Post Secret Wars books, not just to just to the Hulk one, B) I don't buy your shit when it comes to "plot-holes" (due to my issues with the ending) and "mischaracterization" (because what you said ain't convincing in the slightest), and C) admittedly personal opinion, but to me a Hulk that brings a level of wit to his adventures will always be a more interesting lead character than a savage.

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#19 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

Good job Marvel. You managed to make me despise Cho when he could've been a decent character given time

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#20 Posted by GreenScar1990 (1755 posts) - - Show Bio

@shinobi62676:

Whatever.

If you don't believe me, why don't you ask some of the other long-time Hulk fans and readers like @atheistknowledge & @theacidskull? They know exactly what I'm talking about in terms to the mischaracterization and plot-holes that the whole Omega Hulk arch has. I mean, it's obvious that Axel Alonso and Marvel make a lot of changes, but so do the writers. They can do their own stories and end them how they want, so the blame is 50/50 on whether a series is good or not.

To be honest, I don't care, neither about you, or your theories/assumptions/opinions.

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#22 Edited by Stahlflamme (5406 posts) - - Show Bio

Since when is T'Challa the one and only Black Panther?

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#23 Posted by bonifidehustla (256 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder why would the Panther be chasing after Hulk?

Exactly its a pointless conflict. It makes no sense Chulk is no threat to his country.

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#24 Posted by Mooty_Pass (9257 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormphoenix said:

I wonder why would the Panther be chasing after Hulk?

Exactly its a pointless conflict. It makes no sense Chulk is no threat to his country.

Why COULD guess that Ulyssess told Carol a vision and Carol told T'Challa that Chulk is going to break something in his country or something random.

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#25 Edited by bonifidehustla (256 posts) - - Show Bio

@bonifidehustla said:
@stormphoenix said:

I wonder why would the Panther be chasing after Hulk?

Exactly its a pointless conflict. It makes no sense Chulk is no threat to his country.

Why COULD guess that Ulyssess told Carol a vision and Carol told T'Challa that Chulk is going to break something in his country or something random.

I guess since I'm not keeping up with Civil War 2 and that horrible Carol.

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#27 Posted by shinobi62676 (147 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenscar1990: Seriously? The "I don't care about you" line? Must've struck a nerve there I guess. I hope your buddies @atheistknowledge & @theacidskull do respond to me. Hopefully they can give me better reasons as to why there are "mischaracterizations" in the Duggan run. Cause you sure as hell ain't making a good job of it.

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#28 Posted by Schwarz (583 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with greenscar.

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#29 Posted by theacidskull (21936 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenscar1990: Seriously? The "I don't care about you" line? Must've struck a nerve there I guess. I hope your buddies @atheistknowledge & @theacidskull do respond to me. Hopefully they can give me better reasons as to why there are "mischaracterizations" in the Duggan run. Cause you sure as hell ain't making a good job of it.

Well mischaracterization is the wrong term for it. Doc Green was a separate incarnation so for a new hulk he was perfectly fine. It's more to do with the fact that Duggan couldn't descide what path he was taking with the Hulk. Doc Green jumped from rationalist to murderous psycho in a matter of seconds throughout the arc, but in the end the whole "the smarter hulk gets the more inhumane he becomes!" never really paid off. We had some Maestro foreshadowing but that was never capitilized on. It was a fun arc with a lot of cool fights, but nothing that would leave an important mark on hulks character.Furthermore, it's that a lot of character, such a Skaar, Lyra were de-powered and wasted even though they had an important role in the Hulk Mythos as Hulks. They were far more worthy of being hulks than Ross and Betty ever really were (even though they were very well developed by Pak and Jeff Parker.)

So basically Duggans run was fun but full of empty promises and disappointment. And guys take it down an notch, no need to get salty over comic characters.

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#30 Edited by shinobi62676 (147 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: Yo, uh, yeah, this is weird, so uh even though a lot of time has passed I still wanna say "Thank You!". Like for real you gave a much better explanation regarding the strife folks have with the Duggan run and I appreciate that. Why'd it take take almost a year and a half to respond? I don't know. I mean Tony G leaving and the lack of news story updates for one didn't help but I guess it's just one of those you things you want to get around to doing but never actually do. I especially have that problem with socialization (fucked me up quite a bit over the years). And your not even the only one either, I just responded to a bunch of other dudes on another old ass thing

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/comic-book-preview-1988/preview-nova-1-1845103/#js-message-17811668

Anyways I don't know if you'll ever see this considering it's been so long but I just wanted to tell you I'm thankful for your response.