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AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #23

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(W) Dan Slott, Christos N. Gage (A) Giuseppe Camuncoli (CA) Alex Ross

A CLONE CONSPIRACY TIE-IN!

• Gwen Stacy is back in the land of the living and in league with The Jackal.

• But why? She's not evil. She's not being mind-controlled. What would push the one of the most beloved characters in Marvel history to join one of Spider-Man's worst villains?!

Rated T

NOV160827 In Shops: Jan 18, 2017 SRP: $3.99

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#1 Posted by g2_ (11403 posts) - - Show Bio

It doesn't look bad.

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#2 Posted by jayskee (4840 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh my god. They actually did it. They actually brought back Gwen Stacy. Well, I'm glad I don't read Spider-Man anymore.

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#3 Posted by thatguywithheadphones (19859 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter: "Well since you remember every part, you mind telling me what the hell was going on with Norman and you?"

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#4 Posted by Bl00dwerK (957 posts) - - Show Bio

What is with the Gwen Stacy obsession, anyway?

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#7 Posted by El_tio_este (33 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter: "Well since you remember every part, you mind telling me what the hell was going on with Norman and you?"

LOOOOOOL I would give a lot of money fort that comic if marvel actually put that.

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#8 Posted by g2_ (11403 posts) - - Show Bio

@thatguywithheadphones said:

Peter: "Well since you remember every part, you mind telling me what the hell was going on with Norman and you?"

LOOOOOOL I would give a lot of money fort that comic if marvel actually put that.

Same.

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#9 Posted by TrueMarvel (578 posts) - - Show Bio

This is what happens when you destroy a characters reputation after death. She has no moral high ground. She cheated on him

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#10 Edited by Zackboom (28 posts) - - Show Bio
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#11 Posted by BJParks (592 posts) - - Show Bio

So....spoilers?

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#12 Posted by Farkam (12025 posts) - - Show Bio

3 Jokers and 3 Gwens

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#13 Posted by Aros001 (3643 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter: "Well since you remember every part, you mind telling me what the hell was going on with Norman and you?"

I actually kind of like that story and this still made me laugh.

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#14 Posted by Mark_Stephen (2616 posts) - - Show Bio

What is with the Gwen Stacy obsession, anyway?

That's something you'd have to ask the writer.

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#15 Posted by Druzzie (562 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd laugh if this Gwen, who's from the 70 is racist and is not cool with Spider Gwen kissing Miles.

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#16 Edited by Druzzie (562 posts) - - Show Bio

@g2_: Obviously, that Gwen was a clone. Norman being the rich BJORKER that he is, bought one form the jackal. Real Gwen turn him down thus he killed her. Or pehaps, he never killed her at all. There too many Gwen Clone running around, the original source must be somwhere.

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#17 Posted by g2_ (11403 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by RabumAlal (4968 posts) - - Show Bio

Really don't like what I'm seeing here. And Camuncoli art is shit.

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#19 Posted by The_Kidd (11967 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter used the clone verison of "I have black friends". Lol.

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#20 Posted by Renchamp (7770 posts) - - Show Bio

@druzzie: Watch the language. The f-word is not allowed.

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#21 Posted by Jestersmiles (9826 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by Heatblaze (10399 posts) - - Show Bio

What on earth is going on?

@the_kidd said:

Peter used the clone verison of "I have black friends". Lol.

lol!

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#23 Posted by Wowlock (907 posts) - - Show Bio

This whole thing devalues all the legacy of these characters, considering we know how it will end. I mean either they turn into zombies or they because those pills won't be coming forever.

Btw, doesn't Marvel universe have the concept of spirits ? What, Jackal's reanimation can bring back the souls to their bodies ? What kind of BS is that ?

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#24 Posted by comicace3 (12434 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter: "Well since you remember every part, you mind telling me what the hell was going on with Norman and you?"

Damn straight.

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#25 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18322 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayskee said:

Oh my god. They actually did it. They actually brought back Gwen Stacy. Well, I'm glad I don't read Spider-Man anymore.

They brought her back before in the 80s.Nothing is special or terrible about them doing this here.

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#26 Posted by Mister_X_1 (1386 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayskee said:

Oh my god. They actually did it. They actually brought back Gwen Stacy. Well, I'm glad I don't read Spider-Man anymore.

Could be a clone. Remember when 3 guys claimed they were the real Peter Parker ?

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#27 Posted by Mister_X_1 (1386 posts) - - Show Bio
@druzzie said:

@g2_: Obviously, that Gwen was a clone. Norman being the rich BJORKER that he is, bought one form the jackal. Real Gwen turn him down thus he killed her. Or pehaps, he never killed her at all. There too many Gwen Clone running around, the original source must be somwhere.

You might have something going on there man.

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#28 Posted by Mister_X_1 (1386 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter: "Well since you remember every part, you mind telling me what the hell was going on with Norman and you?"

And I thought I was the only one who was upset about that.

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#30 Edited by ShadowPro (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@zackboom: not the writer, the edito quesada, JMS wanted them to be peter's children, but quesada said no, make them osborn's

am pretty sure they're gonna kill her again

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I'd laugh if this Gwen, who's from the 70 is racist and is not cool with Spider Gwen kissing Miles.

right, because being from the 70s mean everyone, GWEN out of all people, is racist

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Peter: "Well since you remember every part, you mind telling me what the hell was going on with Norman and you?"

pretty sure that's something she rathers forget

@bl00dwerk said:

What is with the Gwen Stacy obsession, anyway?

she's simply the best part of peter's life and much better than mj in every way

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@g2_: Obviously, that Gwen was a clone. Norman being the rich BJORKER that he is, bought one form the jackal. Real Gwen turn him down thus he killed her. Or pehaps, he never killed her at all. There too many Gwen Clone running around, the original source must be somwhere.

SPOILER ALERT ! That os the next story arc for sure

@rabumalal:what would you prefer something like ramos?

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#31 Posted by kiba (3724 posts) - - Show Bio

Dear Gwen,

We liked you better when you were dead.

That is all.

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#32 Edited by cosmoman (314 posts) - - Show Bio

Cool story, but they're probably going to kill her off again, and with all the Stacy's and Spidey themed people running around it's sure to be less of a big deal than it should be.

We'll see..

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#34 Posted by Bob_Belafat (38 posts) - - Show Bio

This could be a really intriguing comic to read. The philosophical debate about whether or not she really is Gwen returned from the dead, because she's a clone with all of the memories intact. That's an incredibly interesting question. It'd be interesting to see if they discuss the idea of a soul or spirit; or if they reduce the whole of what makes an individual a person to the physical body plus memories.

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#35 Posted by BlueHope (2681 posts) - - Show Bio

This could be a really intriguing comic to read. The philosophical debate about whether or not she really is Gwen returned from the dead, because she's a clone with all of the memories intact. That's an incredibly interesting question. It'd be interesting to see if they discuss the idea of a soul or spirit; or if they reduce the whole of what makes an individual a person to the physical body plus memories.

That clone identity crisis is already overdone in spiderman even ultimate spiderman already had this exact same story.

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#36 Posted by Bob_Belafat (38 posts) - - Show Bio

@druzzie: I always preferred the explanation that the children were simply clones made from a mixture of Gwen's and Osborne's DNA and the one night stand was a made-up story to screw with Peter.

But your explanation is also really good. It makes Osborne even more horrible.

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#37 Posted by Bob_Belafat (38 posts) - - Show Bio

@bluehope: That could be. I can't remember a comic taking on this philosophical discussion about clone's identity as the person. That's the part that I find intriguing. And even if it was tackled already; the question is interesting enough to be discussed again (in my opinion).

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#40 Posted by SeedSentry (21 posts) - - Show Bio

Peter: "Well since you remember every part, you mind telling me what the hell was going on with Norman and you?"

2017 Gwen: What are u saying? You're a fuc'king sexist! I have sex'ual liberty, you cispig

~~~SHILLING INTENSIFIES~~

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#41 Edited by thatguywithheadphones (19859 posts) - - Show Bio

@bob_belafat said:

@druzzie: I always preferred the explanation that the children were simply clones made from a mixture of Gwen's and Osborne's DNA and the one night stand was a made-up story to screw with Peter.

But your explanation is also really good. It makes Osborne even more horrible.

Nah, I'd like to ignore Sins Past like everyone else, but that one doesn't work.Osborn wasn't the one who told Peter about it; Gwen directly told MJ who told Peter. It was sex, she got pregnant. . . Just like I got to accept that Reed went on along with Stark plans in Civil War, Spider-Man fans have to accept Gwen Stacy's first time was with The Green Goblin.

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#42 Posted by Druzzie (562 posts) - - Show Bio

@bob_belafat said:

@druzzie: I always preferred the explanation that the children were simply clones made from a mixture of Gwen's and Osborne's DNA and the one night stand was a made-up story to screw with Peter.

But your explanation is also really good. It makes Osborne even more horrible.

Nah, I'd like to ignore Sins Past like everyone else, but that one doesn't work.Osborn wasn't the one who told Peter about it; Gwen directly told MJ who told Peter. It was sex, she got pregnant. . . Just like I got to accept that Reed went on along with Stark plans in Civil War, Spider-Man fans have to accept Gwen Stacy's first time was with The Green Goblin.

Or, Gwen been a clone this whole time since Warren met her. Thus retconning a lot of the relationship between Gwen and Peter. Perhaps even give them a real chance!

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#43 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12469 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayskee said:

Oh my god. They actually did it. They actually brought back Gwen Stacy. Well, I'm glad I don't read Spider-Man anymore.

This.

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#44 Posted by lxlGiftedlxl (2443 posts) - - Show Bio

Every time i check in on Spidey I'm disappointed.

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#45 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

Gwen Stacy is back!!!

Slott your a slut

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#46 Edited by ShadowPro (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

the lyrics of this ain't a love song from legendary bon jovi comes to mind

@trust_this_786 said:

Gwen Stacy is back!!!

Slott your a slut

maybe, but he is the only one who undid marvel's greatest mistake ever

n @thatguywithheadphones said:
@bob_belafat said:

@druzzie: I always preferred the explanation that the children were simply clones made from a mixture of Gwen's and Osborne's DNA and the one night stand was a made-up story to screw with Peter.

But your explanation is also really good. It makes Osborne even more horrible.

Nah, I'd like to ignore Sins Past like everyone else, but that one doesn't work.Osborn wasn't the one who told Peter about it; Gwen directly told MJ who told Peter. It was sex, she got pregnant. . . Just like I got to accept that Reed went on along with Stark plans in Civil War, Spider-Man fans have to accept Gwen Stacy's first time was with The Green Goblin.

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anyhow, I want to believbe that awful bit of history and the twins are gone from continuity thnks to the universe being born again

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#47 Posted by TheAmazingSpidey (17571 posts) - - Show Bio

I need to get caught up with Spider-Man comics.

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#49 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

the lyrics of this ain't a love song from legendary bon jovi comes to mind

@trust_this_786 said:

Gwen Stacy is back!!!

Slott your a slut

maybe, but he is the only one who undid marvel's greatest mistake ever

n @thatguywithheadphones said:
@bob_belafat said:

@druzzie: I always preferred the explanation that the children were simply clones made from a mixture of Gwen's and Osborne's DNA and the one night stand was a made-up story to screw with Peter.

But your explanation is also really good. It makes Osborne even more horrible.

Nah, I'd like to ignore Sins Past like everyone else, but that one doesn't work.Osborn wasn't the one who told Peter about it; Gwen directly told MJ who told Peter. It was sex, she got pregnant. . . Just like I got to accept that Reed went on along with Stark plans in Civil War, Spider-Man fans have to accept Gwen Stacy's first time was with The Green Goblin.

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anyhow, I want to believbe that awful bit of history and the twins are gone from continuity thnks to the universe being born again

how is killing Gwen a mistake

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#50 Posted by DanMarshall (606 posts) - - Show Bio

The only reason Gwen has importance is because of the love triangle stuff with MJ and Peter and that she died. Her not liking Spider-Man was nothing new Betty Brant hated Spider-Man too when she was a love interest for Pete, so she really wasn't that interesting to begin with. She should have stayed dead especially since the defining thing about her whenever she gets brought up is her death at the bridge.