@ecstaticgrace: Just one correction Jean wasn't amped by the Phoenix at the time she encountered Binary she just used the codename Phoenix but it's still a impressive feat considering Jean at the time was one of the most powerful telepaths in the Marvel universe.Anyways this is a great respect thread for one of my favourites heroes of all time
Binary: Respect Thread
@purplehairedni1: I’m aware I named her Phoenix in response to her code name not suggesting she was amped. If I was I would of put (Jean amped by Phoenix) or something along the lines. I appreciate the feedback though and I’m glad you like the thread. It’s a bit unfinished right now, but I’m trying to put some respek on Binary’s name who gets lowballed way too much on battle forums 😅
Edit: I rephrased it though to avoid confusion. I could see how it would come off as suggesting it was a Jean as the host of Phoenix version of her.
@ecstaticgrace: very nice respect thread, I don't understand how people think Carol is a simple high tier, when she quite clearly contends with most herald level characters. Based on this respect thread and on what I've read she could one shot rogue.
@olorun: I won’t get into the Rogue thing since I don’t read much on her. The last I have I think she was operating with Wonder Man’s powers but definitely agree on the fact Carol as Binary at the very least operates at Herald levels if honestly not somewhere higher.
being able to manipulate black holes, create white holes to the point you create a star, or indirectly destroy a planet is above just being a high tier in my personal opinion. Her abilities should make her on par with Surfer in terms of versatility, her raw power could honestly be greater off scaling.
@ecstaticgrace: Is it really that much of a heated debate(Carol vs rogue)???
Yh I thinks she's quite a mid-to-top herald tier character and her feats are quite up there, the Carol hate both here and on YouTube just irks me.
Yh in terms of energy versatility she's contending with the surfer and if she does end up learning magic she might reach norrin's level(since he can control energies from the stuff like the crunch and even molecule man). If he was 100 she would be a solid 92.
Raw power is more debatable imo since writers don't like to write Carol in binary since it would be like a cheat code, and since norrin has had time to amass crazy dumb feats like creating hole stars like nothing, having the power output to rival thanos, making knull bleeding and if I remember correctly from the same comic you posted(unlimited X-men 12/13/14) he destroyed a being powerful enough to control rogue from galaxies away and the explosion of norrin destroying the being was super powerful( it's been years since I've read the comic so I don't know exactly)
@olorun: I wasn’t even aware of those feats for Norrin that’s insane I always assumed power wise he wouldn’t do well against Thanos who I always placed the Mad Titan somewhere in between Surfer and Galactus but not near either.
I honestly don’t get too frustrated on the Carol downplay because a lot of it seems like it’s a lack of knowledge or getting information from unreliable/bias sources. It’s the same reason some characters are Wanked to unimaginable levels. Biggest reason I wanted to make this thread was to give people an idea on how powerful Binary really is and give citations so they don’t just have to take my word on it.
Imagine a team with heavy hitters like Current Savage She-Hulk, Thor and Ghost Rider relying on Binary to take down a lovecraftian monster the team separately couldn’t..
Honestly I’m hoping writers use this thread as a reference when writing Binary as well. Because I see her ranging all over the place when she pops up in modern comics. Honestly I’m hoping we see Carol start transitioning in and out of Binary more often as well like she used to.
I think most would say Rogue can’t beat Carol without Energy Draining/Power Siphoning and even then it’s circumstantial on stuff like how long Carol let’s the fight drag out or if she’s in a location where she could constantly power up. Like somewhere with electric lines or lava vents.
I wasn’t even aware of those feats for Norrin that’s insane I always assumed power wise he wouldn’t do well against Thanos who I always placed the Mad Titan somewhere in between Surfer and Galactus but not near either.
I honestly don’t get too frustrated on the Carol downplay because a lot of it seems like it’s a lack of knowledge or getting information from unreliable/bias sources. It’s the same reason some characters are Wanked to unimaginable levels. Biggest reason I wanted to make this thread was to give people an idea on how powerful Binary really is and give citations so they don’t just have to take my word on it.
Imagine a team with heavy hitters like Current Savage She-Hulk, Thor and Ghost Rider relying on Binary to take down a lovecraftian monster the team separately couldn’t..
Honestly I’m hoping writers use this thread as a reference when writing Binary as well. Because I see her ranging all over the place when she pops up in modern comics. Honestly I’m hoping we see Carol start transitioning in and out of Binary more often as well like she used to. Be cool if Binary was treated like a Super Saiyan transformation and less like a dues ex machina. Where Carol can go in and out of it on her own will.
@ecstaticgrace: surfer on a normal occasion would Indeed lose to thanos, but in that instance Keith giffen gave surfer a statement of equaling thanos in terms of energy projection. Surfer has got insane out of the park feats, like absorbing energy rom a hell lord and return said energy but a degree of times more powerful.
A lot of hate Carol does get is due to her being a fairly confident/dominant woman, I don't see guys like thor getting hate for acting like Carol, with the addition of misinformation, we get extreme Carol hate.
Imo binary should be something Carol should possess all the time, but not use in just regular day to day instances, like super saiyan 3.
@olorun: Thats pretty impressive on Surfer’s part.
Yeah it’s definitely due to a lot of misinformation and honestly toxicness from some individuals either exploiting fears from others or having them themselves
The way I’d personally do Binary is have the fire hair and eyes be her grade 1 Binary form and her even more powerful Binary form would be the red skin with the firey hair and eyes. Giving it two states of Binary and explaining why we’ve seen a difference in the form.
@ecstaticgrace: ooo that's a pretty neat idea, even if Kelly doesn't adopt this idea into her writing the mcu definitely should.
And yh norrin is impressive because he's had loads of appearances and chances to prove himself but imo he's better used in more character driven stories and instead of straight power he uses his abilities like tp or even time manipulation.
@ecstaticgrace: ooo that's a pretty neat idea, even if Kelly doesn't adopt this idea into her writing the mcu definitely should.
And yh norrin is impressive because he's had loads of appearances and chances to prove himself but imo he's better used in more character driven stories and instead of straight power he uses his abilities like tp or even time manipulation.
@ecstaticgrace: Huh....
Okay, first of all, nice respect thread.
Second, your feat of resisting Phoenix Is Bogus.
1) that is regular Jean grey, not Phoenix
2) Binary was being controlled by the incites and Jean was breaking her free and succeeded. It wasn't her resisting jeans probe.
3)the scan of a Shockwave being felt throughout the universe has nothing to do with binary. It was caused by the deaths of 9 billion incites after Surfer blew them up.
@del_torro: Read the other comments mate…
1.) She was going by the alias Phoenix that’s what the mention is in reference to. That’s been discussed already…
2.) Based off the dialogue it stated Binary was resisting both. For how long? I don’t know but it’s mentioned she was resisting. Jean’s probe by Jean herself. And that Jean also stated Carol was trying to make contact with her despite being controlled by said alien force.
3.) never said it had anything to do with Binary so it’s a moot point. I only posted the following scans to show Jean eventually freeing Carol from the control. Not to claim said blast was because of Carol. Which I don’t even get how the images would lead to that conclusion and I didn’t put any wording in there to try to imply that either.
Regardless appreciate the look through and thank you on the nice thread comment.
@ecstaticgrace: nice RT but the punishers clearly weren’t giving thanos much trouble considering he one shot most of them and ripped them to pieces
@olorun: I appreciate you
@alphamon: You’re definitely right, Thanos seemed to oneshot them for the most part
@del_torro: @olorun: @alphamon: @purplehairedni1:
Weren't sure if any of you were interested but spoilers from Captain Marvel 36
Binary (Creation is interesting) basically obliterated Vox Supreme
It would put her at a power above Carol amped off the other Avengers
From reference to Captain Marvel Issue 16
@ecstaticgrace: would this be considered a new character??? Since it's fusion of carol's binary power+phoenix energy+mar-vell's whatever???
@olorun: It technically is but at the same time based off Vox and Carol’s statements it’s still “Carol’s energy brought to life”
Im honestly hoping they (Carol + Binary) eventually merge but who knows the writer has stated Binary as a new character. Maybe it will be a thing where they can merge and split apart. Which would make the whole “Bi” part of the name have meaning.
@ecstaticgrace: that would be interesting. Very much so.
@ecstaticgrace What are the combat feats for Binary you would bring to the table if needed?
@marygcrisostomo: Explain what you mean?
It technically is but at the same time based off Vox and Carol’s statements it’s still “Carol’s energy brought to life”
Im honestly hoping they (Carol + Binary) eventually merge but who knows the writer has stated Binary as a new character. Maybe it will be a thing where they can merge and split apart. Which would make the whole “Bi” part of the name have meaning.
So, basically Carol can't go Binary because now that form is Sentient???
@mooty_pass: More then likely at the moment she can’t, she stated she’s been a bit weaker since the creation of this new sentient “Binary”
@ecstaticgrace: OH LORD.....well i'm out.
Let me know when she get's it back.
@mooty_pass: I feel you, honestly though it’s still the best Carol has been written in years, I feel like this run and The Life of Captain Marvel were elevating moments for the character
@ecstaticgrace: Yeah, actually that's true. But honestly, I've stopped reading Carol actually. ;-(
@mooty_pass: I feel you, honestly though it’s still the best Carol has been written in years, I feel like this run and The Life of Captain Marvel were elevating moments for the character
I agree. I liked the part where she sent for that nosy dude to go to the hospital after Binary hit him. Legit thought she would’ve said a cringe thing like, “Good one!” but I respect she shows that heroic concern for all people.
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