It's obvious from the many threads on this topic there is an eternal debate over whether Captain America has peak human or superhuman strength.

While several feats in the comics have shown Steve Rogers as having low tier superhuman (what they sometimes call "enhanced human"), the fact he is defined as peak human by Marvel is quite set in stone.

The problem comes when you check the grids and see The Punisher has the same peak human strength (3) than Captain America. A run of the mill psychotic thug reached the same strength as the perfect human, stated to be a next step in human evolution? It's almost an insult.

Peak human strength has become devaluated as a term in Marvel comics, meaning "a regular human who isn't a useless punchbag". Captain America physique is in a step above that. As I see it, no regular human should be able to reach him only through training.

So, as Marvel is not willing to oficially admit a superhuman (enhanced human) status for Rogers, I think the perfect solution would be to show him on the power grids as strength 3.5 or 3*. Anything that tells you: he is not superhuman but he is above all the other mooks.

If enough people contacted them they could change it in future Maverl Encyclopedias.

I also think having Captain America as intelligence 3 (learned), when he has eidetic memory, peak thought processing speed and learning skills many times above a regular human. But that's another different figth.

I agree with you. He's like low level super strength around 4 tons and with his sheer will he seems to go even beyond his own ability IMO.

I'm talking Namor one shotting, Hulk bleeding, Ironman KO'ing, tank turret wreaking, ICBM Shield throwing, and there is more. Although his skill is definitely an important detail on where he strikes. As he once knocked out the Wrecker and told him it is because he knows where to strike at pressure points. Modern day Cap just seems on another level in comparison to vol 1 Cap.

Four writers once brought up Cap's sheer will aspect.

Classic Cap vol 1. On a super jump it was stated by sheer will he did a super human strength jump that Falcon and Sharon at the time could not reach.

Cap/Falcon issue: Cap got a bullet to the brain and recovered. Falcon stated through sheer will he came back.

Cap vol 3: An entire Sky Scrapper fell on Cap's new absorbing shield but it didn't help with all of it(unknown how much it was) as the rest of the sky scrapper was being held up to due the strongest will on the planet.

4th one Veshark brought it up to my attention that a friend of Tony Starks contemplated that that no one could duplicate the SSS properly because he believed it was done by the will of the person or something like that.

Seems kind of silly to me.

I think you made a great point about it.

If a mother can temporary lift a car to save his son due to adrenaline, a man with such a strong willpower (that it gets mentioned as one of his powers) could get his physical prowess augmented manyfold in exceptional situations, which could explain some of his extraordinary feats. That's just another reason to get the 3.5-3* rating. Maybe he is not superhuman by Marvel's strict definition, but sometimes he can do what superhumans do.

On comic book stories he has been termed with powers at times, or even words like super man or super human as well. It is mainly the hand books that reserved the word peak human without even referring to the detail of Steve being the next step in human evolution nor mention even his rapid healing ability.

Slightly off topic but do u guys prefer Cap when he's shown to be more enhanced like in more modern stories, or do u prefer the more human more vunerable classic cap?

nope his fighting skill level should be maxed and clear marks for what the peak of human physicality could be would be nice.

him being a meta-human doesn't improve the character.

In case we wanted to contact Marvel to change the official rating, do you know how could we do it?

Actually by Marvel he has been classified as Super Human in the cannon story book's and stories.

Gallery

For some examples above.

Super Men

The race for the Super Human.

Super human physique.

Super human warrior.

The only fighters on earth who's skill level should be maxed are Iron Fist, Wolverine, Taskmaster, Melee, & Mister X. Based on Cap's track record he belongs as level 6 with Winter Soldier, Black Panther & Daredevil.

You realize that those showings of strength are few and far between, correct? I mean you're crossing volumes to find them. Maybe Marvel is right about Cap's strength rating and writers are just ignorant to how much things weigh or they ignore it altogether. I mean writers have frequently ignored how fast certain characters are and other advantages to make fights in comics more interesting so it's very possible Cap sometimes appears to be alot stronger than he was intended.

He actually has many that show off that he is a super solider on regards to his feats anyways.

But I'm talking about the will aspect to explain the many feats that he has under his record. Now the will aspect statements is what is few in comparison to the many feats he has.

He should be above all of these (though a case could be made that Black panther is his equal)

Daredevil should be up there in skill as well. A case could be made that his skill is = or better.

Captain America should definitely have low-end superhuman strength . If Marvel won't change his rating to reflect that then Marvel should lower the strength rankings of other "peak human' characters (i.e., Punisher, Daredevil, etc.) whom Cap is clearly stronger than.

you think so. he's fought Wolive and Taskmaster to stalemates/loses/wins. He takes on super-powered beings and wins. He shows far more skill then Wolvie shows on the normal bases. Iron Fist is surely a better fighter but the gap between the likes of Cap/WS/DD/Task is closer to Danny then Wolverine.

The scale is flawed. 7 can't be the top ranking thats far to close to 4. I would say a level of 10's.

Exactly.

I wonder if the MCU is considered canon, or is not considered in-continuity for OHTMU purposes. Because superhuman strength is officialy set at lifting more than 800 lbs overhead, and in Captain America: The First Avenger Steve lifts a Harley (easily 800 lbs) and three women (or was it two?) without much effort. That's superhuman rigth there, no ifs or buts.

MCU is it's own separate universe, not only including the live action movies and TV shows, but also the games based on the movies and all of the movie tie in comics. I think it's called Earth-199999

@innerwolf88: Captain lost against Conan.

@bigcimmerian: See, that's what irks me. A perfectly fine in-character, logical scene as the one I described from the movie is not canon because it's MCU, and the sh*t you talk about should be considered canon because it happened in a comic? Which kind of retarded writer would make Captain America and Conan fight?

It happened in comic book :D

@bigcimmerian: it was a typo, it was obvious from the rest of the post I meant "... in a comic". Are you trolling me?

It's not a huge deal. We all know he has superhuman strength, whatever the official ratings tell us. It's just that people often hesitate to call him superhuman because his powers didn't come from gamma radiation, cosmic rays, or the mutant gene. His body was enhanced and altered by special drugs (SSS), vita rays, and other human inventions; you might as well call Spider-man peak human.

What most need to understand with Marvel's strength rating system is any number (3 in this case) is representative of a range. Captain America is at the absolute maximum high end, and characters like Punisher and Daredevil are at the lower end of the peak human range. This is how they can all effectively be classed at a "3"/peak rating in strength.