Prince Zuko/The Blue Spirit
Aragorn II Elessar
- No bending
- Standard knowledge
- In character
- Begins 15 meters apart
@rogueshadow: Avatarverse lightning isn't as fast as real lightning, people who clearly aren't lightning timers can and have reacted to it
I see this point raised all the time, nothing suggests it is slower other than the 'frame rate'. Predicating the speed of lightning based on the speed it is on screen is the definition of overanalysing. By the end of the series, people regularly lightning time. If you want to base it on those calcs, people still have reactions times in the mach 50s etc still beyond anything Aragorn is anywhere near.
@arcus: We'll just leave the calcs and agree to disagree, because like I said, if we base it on that, they are still in the double digit machs, so it doesn't change this battle anyway. Examples? I'm not sure what you mean, if you're referring to things like arrows, then that generally occurs only in earlier seasons. Avatar characters regularly make light work of arrows later on.
@arcus: All that really means is that soldiers in Avatar >>> soldiers in LotR. In the world of Avatar, humans can time lightning, smash chains and kick big-ass rocks with their feet. Aragorn has one feat from the mines of Moria wherein he dodges an arrow from afar, that's the only one I have ever caught.
When it comes down to it, Aragorn simply can't compete with speed like this in my opinion:
Whether it's actual lightning or mach 50, it's way too fast for Aragorn, come on now.
Yeah, the lightning's slower than the gif makes it appear to be
Correct, Iroh is not a normal human. He is the dragon god of tea, love, and everything awesome in the universe. :)
I'm not denying that Zuko's stats are above a real human's, same's true for Aragorn. Doesn't make him a lightning timer
@arcus: I've already established that I don't care about how fast lightning moves onscreen, it's faulty logic and doesn't take into account the art style, budget and the fact that it's a Goddamn cartoon. Lightning is lightning, I find it ridiculous.
However, ignoring that debate and focussing just on Zuko vs Aragorn -- even based on what you are saying, the agreed upon 'calcs' as I've seen them in anime forums still put Avatar lightning at mach 10+ speed, hell, Iroh reacts to mach 54 lightning. These speeds are way more than Aragorn can contend with. It's too much for him to go up against. So even based on your stance with the onscreen appearance being relevant, it's too fast for Aragorn in my opinion.
I don't know why people say dodging or reacting to lightning in Avatar is such a big accomplishment. There are plenty of things to consider when we are talking about people in Avatar reacting to lightning.
They are all benders and likely know how lightning is bent, especially Zuko. There is always fluid movements and to actually shoot the lightning the user must direct it through their body to direct it at their opponent. That gives whoever is reacting to said lightning time to notice what their opponent is doing and react accordingly. It's pretty much aim dodging a gun. Just because some comic character dodges bullets doesn't make him faster than the bullet, since in most cases they are anticipating where the bullet it going to be fired and reacting before the shot takes place. Similar to how avatar characters dodge lightning.
I see Aragorn taking this based off of the experience he would have throughout the 80+ years he has been alive. Zuko was very skilled but Aragorn has so much more battle experience than Zuko that I can't see him losing.
@rolandalderas: There are undoubted instances of timing the lightning, see the video above. Aang and Iroh have done the same.
Regardless they are all benders, expert benders. They just see the person shooting lightning and react accordingly. Even when Iroh did it on the ship, notice he took a stance and inhaled his breath before it struck, so he knew it was coming.
Fact is that to shoot lightning you must perform the needed movements to bend it which could clearly be seen by whoever is "dodging" the lightning.
@rolandalderas: Zuko moved into its path, he outpaced lightning. Aang gets it from behind:
Iroh sees it coming and reacts accordingly:
These two and Zuko's reaction to Azula's lightning are undeniable timing feats, not aim dodging.
@rogueshadow: Once again...
They are benders. They can see the other person doing the movements for lightning, like Aang vs Ozai. Anyway this is a moot point.
Do you have any feats of them, aside from redirecting lightning, which would place them in the speed category you are shooting for? I can't remember one instance in Avatar for Zuko moving that fast. Of course he is above peak human but I don't think he moves that much faster than other humans in the series. Aragorn shouldn't have problems keeping up with that speed since he is a battle trained veteran.
@rolandalderas: CV keeps eating my posts.
Disagree, Aang caught it coming from behind him and turned fast enough to catch it, Zuko moved after the blast and then literally outpaced the lightning and there was no bender to predict in the case of Iroh, it's undoubted timing.
There isn't much for them to react to due to the most advanced technology being arrows, this is the best one I can think of:
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