Manga Flashy Flash isn't even that fast... Zoro wins
Zoro vs. Flashy Flash
Zoro wins. I cant see flash surviving ichidai sanzen daisen sekai at all
And please guys its confirm vivre card databook
Zoro wins. I cant see flash surviving ichidai sanzen daisen sekai at all
And please guys lmao its confirmed in vivre card databook that kizaru's attacks (lasers, kicks, etc) are lightspeed.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/kizaru-is-lightspeed-according-to-databook-2013661/
This also includes pacifista's laser.
Flashy Flash stomps.
These guys even wank much harder than vsbattles lol. Zoro is getting tagged by much slower than sub-relativistic, he's nowhere close light speed.
@aresduelist: The pacifista's laser was only modelled after Kizaru's laser, and doesn't necessarily have the same light speed properties. Also when Zoro dodged the laser, he was already running while it was charging.
Flash doesn't need to tank 3000 Worlds Trichiliocosm, as he can easily evade.
@wesat said:
Flashy Flash stomps. By some calculation, he was able to move 17 times the speed of light and killed Hellfire flame and Gale wind in one blow (for those who didn't know, both had dragon threat level and possibly island level endurance). So if Zoro doesn't have any new feats of speed or endurance, Zoro will be cut in half without blinking an eye.
@senate it does. As stated by drake vegapunk recreated kizaru's laser beam. its the exact copy of the original therefore the characteristic must be similiar, if not same. its Vegapunk's creation after all. the same person who discovered the secret of devil fruit powers.
Ivankov, Luffy and other pirates said both laser beam were same, even Iva mistakenly thought Kizaru attacked two times in a row while the second one was actually Kuma's doing.
https://ww7.readonepiece.com/chapter/one-piece-chapter-558/
Zoro can be scaled to base Luffy who said those lasers are "slow". Island level slashes aint enough to kill him anyway.
@aresduelist: All we know is that a Pacifista's lasers are based off of Kizaru's lasers. Scan of it being an exact copy? Scan of Luffy or Iva saying they are the same?
It's only natural for Iva to confuse the Pacifista's laser for Kizaru's lol, as one is literally based off the other, and Kizaru was charging up earlier.
Pretty sure Luffy's observation haki was always superior to Zoro's, but even if it was on par, Flash can still evade all his attacks and potentially blitz.
@senate look the scan above you. Drake said vegapunk reproduced kizaru's ability. Read the definition of "reproduce" in any dictionary you have.
Show me any proof about pacifista laser being not as fast as Kizaru's since i'm pretty damn sure no such thing exist. Like i said, its Vegapunk's creation, the man who discovered the secret of devil fruit powers. making a copy of devil fruit ability isnt that hard for him.
Nothing suggest Luffy's observation haki (without future sight) was superior to Zoro. Feat wise monster trio were equal. statement wise, Sanji's observation was the best
@exauce: There's nothing in that scan that says kuma's attacks move at light speed. U're misinterpreting his statement. His said the "process" of making the pad canon is light speed, not the pad canon itself.
Jesus christ Kuma literally said he repels air at lightspeed wtf????
@exauce: There's nothing in that scan that says kuma's attacks move at light speed. U're misinterpreting his statement. His said the "process" of making the pad canon is light speed, not the pad canon itself.
Jesus christ Kuma literally said he repels air at lightspeed wtf????
I know right Lol
@eazy2002: He repels the air at light speed to produce the pad canons. That does not mean the canon attack itself move at light speed.
Its like saying a blacksmith saying "I repeatedly struck the iron at the speed of lightning to produce this super durable sword". Does that make the sword lightning speed? No, it doesn't. U guys misinterpreted kuma's statement.
Lasers dont explode and logias dont act like natural elements ergo no real lasers
Flashy stomps
Oda said a logias df works naturally to their function. I'll take the WoG over your head canon anyday
Zorro still one shots the fodder He lolblitzes this fodder to extremly hard.
@eazy2002: He repels the air at light speed to produce the pad canons. That does not mean the canon attack itself move at light speed.
Its like saying a blacksmith saying "I repeatedly struck the iron at the speed of lightning to produce this super durable sword". Does that make the sword lightning speed? No, it doesn't. U guys misinterpreted kuma's statement.
Bruh, the sword isn't a projectile. Those air beams are lightspeed, Zorro was MFTL since Ennies Lobbies scaling from Eneru and Foxy. Current Zorro is at bare minimum thousands times faster than preskip Zorro. Zorro lolblitzes the verse bar Saitama.
One Piece is the massively fastest verse in shonen. LS is low to mid tier. MFTL is mid tier. They have precog abilitie to the point where mere kids can track lightning moving with no super enhanced fighting ability or mastery whatseover. Then you literally have FS. FF is not coming close of blitzing anyone in OP FF can't even blitz pretimskip Zorro, preskip Zorro lolblitzes him actually.
@senate look the scan above you. Drake said vegapunk reproduced kizaru's ability. Read the definition of "reproduce" in any dictionary you have.
Ok which definition do you prefer?
-produce a copy or representation of
-produce again
-create something very similar to (something else), especially in a different medium or context.
Show me any proof about pacifista laser being not as fast as Kizaru's since i'm pretty damn sure no such thing exist. Like i said, its Vegapunk's creation, the man who discovered the secret of devil fruit powers. making a copy of devil fruit ability isnt that hard for him.
It doesn't work like that lol. You have to prove that they are the same, I don't have to prove that they aren't. Not all lasers were created equal. You're suggesting that a now fodder robot uses the same ability as an admiral, which doesn't seem very likely. Even if it's "Vegapunk's creation" and he has found the secret of all DF's or whatever it was, that doesn't mean he can recreate exact copies of DF's now.
Nothing suggest Luffy's observation haki (without future sight) was superior to Zoro. Feat wise monster trio were equal. statement wise, Sanji's observation was the best
Well one was trained by the Pirate King's first mate, and the other was trained by a Warlord. Granted, Mihawk is probably much stronger than any Warlord, but still...
IIRC, Sanji specialises more in Observation than Zoro.
@senate: You're dense or what ? How can the lasers from the Pacifista be different from Kizaru's when it's literally taken from his DF ability ? Did his DF change unberknowst to us ?Where and which info do you have on that ?Now unless you can prove Kizaru's DF wasn't used or the DF isn't LS, which you can't, then the Pacifistas laser are well indeed lightspeed. How is it that crazy that the Marines, master of weaponization make their ranks stronger by duplicating the power of an Admiral ? Isn;'t that the purpose of why Vegapunk even did that in the first place ?
You have no feats for FF either way to come even close of blitzing even preskip Zorro let alone current Zorro, Zorro does not need Obs Haki to dodge LS. He dodged a barrage of LS attacks from Kuma casually while injured at point blank range all trhoughtout the fight and this is post Ryuma, post Oars post Ursu Schock Zorro. Here is Luffy doging laser beam without no precog in base. And in this case he didn't even know it was a laser beam he thought it would be a schokwave becasue Sanji thought it was Kuma, and shockwaves in Luffy's mind can't hurt yet he was still able to recognize it wasn't a schockwave and dodge it point blankor. no.
@wesat: Irrelevant, Preskip Zorro dodged a barrage of lightspeed projectiles in combat speed at point blank while highly exhausted.
And many more of this. He massively scales above Luffy who was statuing photon beams and photon beams barrages and this is preskip pre gear 2nd Luffy. An jet Galitng gun from Gear 2nd luffy would be massively faster than that. Captain Kuro alone has speed feats that don't make sense. FF is very very fast don't get me wrong but preskip SHs blitz him. SHs been doing that. Let alone current Zorro.
Luffy also statued Eneru with a flurry of punches dude is casual lightning speed with precog and tracking ability and Luffy did that without even trying to connect just pure random speed.
And this is pre Gear 2nd Luffy. (The paneling is all messed up here) . When Luffy uses Gear 2nd and CP9 they hit the air 10 times in an instant to be able to fly or use that Soru thing so everytime you see them fly or levitate like that that's what they're doing. It takes ridiciculus speed and physcial power to be able to replicate soru. I am sure if I dig more I'll find way greater feats of instant or drawing speed in preskip alone. This Zorro is super masssivly faster than all these preskip fodder. Zorro lmao blitzes and lmaooneshots.
@snbisbisbis: Welcome back from your ban
Flashy flash lmaoblitz zoro
Difference between zoro and flash is that flash moves at that speed on a constant, he whole gimmick is speed
Zoro can't even catch gazelle running away with tama, can't even reach pica unless you think pica moves at light speed. Hell the fastest character in the show is kizaru and he is light speed and that's only when travelling...
Flash statued an explosion while covering large distances(while also destroying places he lands) and he was still stated to be hiding his speed...
Flash is stated to be faster than atomic samurai whoose cutting speed is >>>>>>>> zoro own and it's not even funny
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