zoom vs jean grey

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#101 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@LordOfAllHumans said:
" @Zoom said:
Everything that she went through would suggest this imaginary guard you speak of is a constant and is always on since she has to make a conscious decision to lower it. "
What specifically suggests it?
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#102 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (7311 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" @LordOfAllHumans said:
" @Zoom said:
Everything that she went through would suggest this imaginary guard you speak of is a constant and is always on since she has to make a conscious decision to lower it. "
What specifically suggests it?"

The fact that not even the sneak attack outside the Grey home put her down, her brain was being scrambled and she was attacked, guard down and nothing, Xavier attacked her mind, guard down and she proceeded to kick his astral ass all over creation.  When she resurfaced on the moon she was again attacked without warning in full force by the Xmen in a weakened state and the only thing that stopped her was a conscious effort on Jeans part to kill herself.  Like I said she must make herself vulnerable.
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#103 Posted by mgrman5 (689 posts) - - Show Bio

Also technically if Jean wanted to she can relinquish her bodily form and just become the phoenix bird, with all her powers and strength without the need for a pesky body. Then Zoom would have to hit a phoenix energy form that has no body to deal with, and I think at that point Zoom would have nothing to attack because it is just pure energy its like punching through fire really doesn't do much, except for hurt the hand that goes through it.
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#104 Edited by PhoenixoftheTides (4701 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix Force would win - she is already flying, meaning she is in full battle mode, and Zoom has no attack that is powerful enough to penetrate her TK shield. Zoom will start to do something not be able to because his mind has been reprogrammed to forget how to use his powers, realize that Jean has complete control over his atoms and he is destroyed. Unfortunately for Zoom, his powers work by altering the flow of time around his body, while the Phoenix Force can leave, alter and create new timelines - he is playing with powers that the Phoenix Force has complete control over.

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#105 Posted by oviouslyjeangrey (417 posts) - - Show Bio

OK Phoenix can manipulate time lines too FYI and she can not die so Zoom Vs Phoenix= Zoom never existed. Just because you are a fan of zoom doesn't change that.

I am a fan of Jean/phoenix but I know when she loses and Zoom loses here bad.

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#106 Posted by TheThe (1847 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom? Boom!

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#107 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1769 posts) - - Show Bio

jg dies

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#108 Posted by Floopay (11272 posts) - - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid: She's 50 yards in the air! What's he gonna do to her? With access to the phoenix force and her starting position, this is spite. Now if they were both on the ground from the start, then I think Zoom would take Green Phoenix, and maybe even Dark Phoenix because he could overwhelm her with his speed via time manipulation and could probably pull a KO. But she starts 50 yards in the air, and never has to come down to affect him. Plain and simply, she's out of reach.

Phoenix Wins: 10/10

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

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#109 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1769 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

@Almighty_Darkseid: She's 50 yards in the air! What's he gonna do to her? With access to the phoenix force and her starting position, this is spite. Now if they were both on the ground from the start, then I think Zoom would take Green Phoenix, and maybe even Dark Phoenix because he could overwhelm her with his speed via time manipulation and could probably pull a KO. But she starts 50 yards in the air, and never has to come down to affect him. Plain and simply, she's out of reach.

Phoenix Wins: 10/10

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

doesnt matter, he can jump or create cyclones

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#110 Posted by Floopay (11272 posts) - - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid: Do you have any scans of him jumping that high? And Cyclones won't make a difference against the Phoenix.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

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#111 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1769 posts) - - Show Bio

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@Almighty_Darkseid: Do you have any scans of him jumping that high? And Cyclones won't make a difference against the Phoenix.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

any speeders can jump that high easily, once they reach a certain speed they can jump very high

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#112 Posted by Floopay (11272 posts) - - Show Bio

@Almighty_Darkseid: To me it comes down to what degree she has access to the Phoenix Force, because she has taken on people like Galactus and done very very well. Someone who Zoom has no chance against. With full access, this is a stomp, with Green Phoenix, Zoom might pull a win, and against Dark+ he doesn't really stand a chance. She also has time manipulation, matter manipulation, energy manipulation, she can absorb life in an instant, survive the vacuum of space, she's an amazing telepath, etc.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

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#113 Posted by X_insignia1 (2181 posts) - - Show Bio

and actually, i believe the phoenix can die

however it's death would have a detrimental effect in the universe in regard to the cosmic balance and scale

and there are other beings weaker than the living tribunal that could stop the phoenix force

if zoom were on the ground, he would have the chance

however since they're airborne , i believe jean wins this battle

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#114 Edited by nickthedevil (14909 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom can chuck a Pebble at her, and it'd probably make a hole a couple of feet wide in her chest.

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#115 Posted by njones5 (407 posts) - - Show Bio

phoenix = never existed zoom

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#116 Posted by XiiX (13583 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom can chuck a Pebble at her, and it'd probably make a whole a couple of feet wide in her chest.

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#117 Posted by comic_book_fan (11794 posts) - - Show Bio

phoenix jean

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#118 Edited by LordOfAllHumans (7311 posts) - - Show Bio

@xiix said:

@nickthedevil said:

Zoom can chuck a Pebble at her, and it'd probably make a whole a couple of feet wide in her chest.

and she'd close it up and destroy him for messing up her clothes. He can't kill her or hurt her unless she wants to be hurt.

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#119 Posted by New_World_Order (14895 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean

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#120 Edited by MarvelDetective (20 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay: he dosen't manipulate time please do some proper research, Infact he dosen't affect time itself all of it is in his perspective and merely relative to himself

He can choose how fast and slow everything is around him simultainously he can choose how fast and slow himself is meaning which he can go at multiple speeds simultainously

He exists infront of dcs multiverse timeline meaning which he is pretty much the fastest fictional character, he is above primary time and speed itself

Meaning which he has the ability to choose how he functions within and how time functions around him since both remains relative and there's no limit on how far he cane speed up and slow down

Meaning which he is faster than infinity itself... His measurement is 2x Infinity since 4th dimensional layers of relativity is going simultaneously hence all of his sideffects

Technically and logically he would be able to choose how fast and even slow he punches, imagine snapping his fingers to create a sonic boom, meaning which he could potentionally create a big bang depending on how fast he chooses to be

And hunter is banned from time itself meaning which he is immune to time manipulation and logically telekinesis and reality warping due to existing in a personal timeline existing outside of multiverse whom he has full control over

Meaning which he will perceive the phoenix force at a standstill point

He dosen't manipulate time but rather speed up or slow down his stream

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#121 Posted by Soratoumiga (4299 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix stomps hard.

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#122 Posted by Supermanthor (22700 posts) - - Show Bio
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#123 Posted by somayareece (933 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean will laugh at his punches then blink him out of existence

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#124 Posted by EternalDarkFury (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean.

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#125 Posted by Cramem (341 posts) - - Show Bio

That bump, though

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#126 Posted by SmoothSanta (2688 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix

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#127 Edited by MorbusGrav (1657 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix Jean Godstomps.

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#128 Posted by Marveld2 (387 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix