fight takes place in a football stadium they start 100 yards apart zoom is on the ground and jean is flying 50 yards in the air jean has the phoenix force who wins and why?
" @CosmicSpiral: wouldn't matter against zoom, imagine if you would stop time, and punch someone in the face, and then let time go again, what would that look like? "What are you talking about? I said the Phoenix Force doesn't automatically give enhanced reflexes.
Phoenix cant stop time, and therefore ultimately loses to someone who (in theory wouldn't even be effected by it but I'll leave it out so your brain can compute this) is abroad the timeline phoenix is, and simply sees her as a standstill, a statue, nothing moving at all, and then, all he needs to do is punch her, and viola!
" @Static Shock: I understand his powers and know he is not unbeatable. This is phoenix no slouch. She could destroy the planet with a thought, the way people talk about Zoom to think he is God or something "He can be beat, but there are circumstances (without PIS) that are required to be him. Time manipulation or to have your speed and reflexes amped to infinite speed levels (or where time appears to stop). Even if Jean can destroy the planet by thinking it, thinking requires time and Zoom is doesn't live within her timeline. He's ahead of it and manipulates how fast or slow he moves along it. Jean, to Zoom, will look like a statue, thus giving him enough time to take advantage of the fight.
" @Static Shock: I understand his powers and know he is not unbeatable. This is phoenix no slouch. She could destroy the planet with a thought, the way people talk about Zoom to think he is God or something "We know phoniex isnt a slouch but because she doesnt affect time she loses she is still connected to a human body and he could simply knock her out... and Zoom is far from a God.
" Umm... wasn't White phoenix outside of time and space? I know that this Phoenix is much weaker, but how do we know that she wouldn't be able to manipulate time? I mean heralds of Galactus have time travelled in the past. "You have legitimate evidence of her manipulating time, on panel? I'd like to see it.
" @Static Shock: So anytime he was hit etc it was all pis?If the circumstances mentioned weren't the reason for him getting tagged, then yes. PIS. I don't think Galactus is relevant to this discussion, as Zoom doesn't have a way to actually beat him.
" @Voidheart: He was beaten a few times if my memory can recallThe only way that he's legitimately lost was against Wally West (who was powered up by Jesse Quick's already amped speed via the Speed Force equation, thus pushing him to infinite speed levels). Other instances of Zoom's loses against Wonder Woman and Jesse Quick (who had her speed at normal levels for a Speed Force speedster) are PIS, when Zoom thrashes Flashes at normal levels without them being powered up.
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