Zoom vs Franklin Richards

Zoom

VS

Franklin Richards

-Both are bloodlusted

-Win by any means

Franklin Richards takes this.

Kid Franklin probably dies, adult Franklin should win though.

@Ferdelance said:

Kid Franklin probably dies, adult Franklin should win though.

this

franklin wins either way he was still a highend reality warper as a child but against adult franklin what little fraction of a chance zoom might have had is gone

Franklin Destroys

franklin stomps

How fast can Franklin react???

Isn't this kind of like another Charles Xavier versus Flash type battle? (Though Xavier is far inferior in power scope, the principle remains the same does it not?)

Can be a reality warper all you like ... but the speed of thought still leaves eons for Zoom to, well, warp time and zoom.

Willing to be educated here, as I don't know Franklin very much (aside from his, well, godlike powers).

@Super_SoldierXII said:

How fast can Franklin react???

Isn't this kind of like another Charles Xavier versus Flash type battle? (Though Xavier is far inferior in power scope, the principle remains the same does it not?)

Can be a reality warper all you like ... but the speed of thought still leaves eons for Zoom to, well, warp time and zoom.

Willing to be educated here, as I don't know Franklin very much (aside from his, well, godlike powers).

The fastest thing Franklin has ever reacted to is a Celestial's attack, which has no stated speed but looks like an energy beam.

@Dredeuced said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

How fast can Franklin react???

Isn't this kind of like another Charles Xavier versus Flash type battle? (Though Xavier is far inferior in power scope, the principle remains the same does it not?)

Can be a reality warper all you like ... but the speed of thought still leaves eons for Zoom to, well, warp time and zoom.

Willing to be educated here, as I don't know Franklin very much (aside from his, well, godlike powers).

The fastest thing Franklin has ever reacted to is a Celestial's attack, which has no stated speed but looks like an energy beam.

Unless many times faster than the speed of light, still not nearly fast enough IMHO. Zoom warps time and makes Flash look slow. And Flash emptied a city of its millions of inhabitants in less than a second.

Only way Franklin wins is if he's omniscient and can actually foresee Zoom's imminent attack before Zoom decides to make it.

Am I missing something?

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Dredeuced said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

How fast can Franklin react???

Isn't this kind of like another Charles Xavier versus Flash type battle? (Though Xavier is far inferior in power scope, the principle remains the same does it not?)

Can be a reality warper all you like ... but the speed of thought still leaves eons for Zoom to, well, warp time and zoom.

Willing to be educated here, as I don't know Franklin very much (aside from his, well, godlike powers).

The fastest thing Franklin has ever reacted to is a Celestial's attack, which has no stated speed but looks like an energy beam.

Unless many times faster than the speed of light, still not nearly fast enough IMHO. Zoom warps time and makes Flash look slow. And Flash emptied a city of its millions of inhabitants in less than a second.

Only way Franklin wins is if he's omniscient and can actually foresee Zoom's imminent attack before Zoom decides to make it.

Am I missing something?

There have been several Franklin vs Speedster threads and they all boil down to the exact same argument: Does Franklin have autoshields? If not, all the speedsters move fast enough to kill him before he can react, if so, they run into his auto shield and turn to flowers. Some people think the shield he used vs the celestials was automatic, some think he prepped and readied it because adult franklin told him to. Speculation.

Kid Franklin would lose, but adult would most likely stomp.

I'm pretty sure Franklin is on a completely different level as an adult. I don't think with even all of Zoom's strength he could put Franklin down.

@iLLituracy: The child version is pictured and is also the current version (since Adult Franklin is from a different universe anyhow)

Child's durability ftw \m/
BB

@iLLituracy: The child version is pictured and is also the current version (since Adult Franklin is from a different universe anyhow)

@iLLituracy said:

@Dredeuced said:

@iLLituracy: The child version is pictured and is also the current version (since Adult Franklin is from a different universe anyhow)

Depends on what version of the adult version you're talking about. If we're talking about Psi-Lord then yes he's definitely from a different universe but the adult Franklin from Hickman's run is still canon seeing as how for the foreseeable that he exists in the new future that they changed. And yes, the child is pictured, but the child isn't going to take a punch from Zoom and it's kind of spiteful. There's an argument to be had if this was the adult variant.

No future character in the Marvel universe is canon unless of course like Cable they exist in the present, there timeline changes far to much.

@rolldestroyer said:

franklin stomps

Adult Franklin is from Hickmans run so he's from the same universe just Fanklins older self. Obviously Zoom can hurt a child nothing to brag about there. Adult Franklin ROFL stomps.

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:

Adult Franklin is from Hickmans run so he's from the same universe just Fanklins older self. Obviously Zoom can hurt a child nothing to brag about there. Adult Franklin ROFL stomps.

I would still like to see some sort of definite on Franklin's auto shields, whether they are actually auto or not... 
 
Question...in Franklin's encounter with Black Bolt, was it solely from previous experience that he knew Bolt's power set and then decided to negate it, or was it a byproduct somehow of Franklin's own powers? 
 
If Franklin can somehow sense or figure out  there is a time manipulator then maybe he can counter Zoom (or his own place in the time stream if he is capable of that) in that way? : /

@whacknasty said:

I would still like to see some sort of definite on Franklin's auto shields, whether they are actually auto or not... Question...in Franklin's encounter with Black Bolt, was it solely from previous experience that he knew Bolt's power set and then decided to negate it, or was it a byproduct somehow of Franklin's own powers? If Franklin can somehow sense or figure out there is a time manipulator then maybe he can counter Zoom (or his own place in the time stream if he is capable of that) in that way? : /

The chances that Franklin can even see Zoom, or comprehend what's happening to him as he's being beaten to death are pretty slim.

What i like about kid and older franklin (mostly kid) is his auto defense that > celestials

Kill the kid

Dies to the adult

simple

Before zoom used his powers...franklin would already kno his powers in a instant....so wen zoom use his powers. ...franklin would be faster if he wanted or he juz put him in a force fir ld

???

@ultragreenboy: i meant force field

Zoom

Franklin does not have a force field. What he did to the Celestial was reality warp his beam into flowers. Franklin Richard's power seems to respond to his subconscious desires. That's why he didn't know what was going on when the Celestial attacked:

People saying that Franklin has some sort of shields or force fields are misinterpreting the scans. And what's interesting about this situation is that Franklin wasn't even prepared to be attacked; he was just trying to talk to the Mad Celestials.

@uberhikari: bro if he can alter reality from nothing then he can create a force field if he wanted... from nothing do u kno wat reality is.... he can do anything and has no limits to his powers except Imagination

Yes, he can create a forcefield...I wasn't disputing that. I was just clarifying that he does not have automatic shields/force fields like a lot of people were claiming he used against the Celestial that attacked him.

Franklin

@uberhikari: oh I understand now my bad

This thread is equal to dividing by zero

@cgoodness:

It's like having Beiber and 1D in one concert

He doesnt need too because he doesnt need to exist as a physical being similar to nate grey.

Kid Franklin Richards gets speedblitzes badly.

Adult Franklin Richards summons Galactus GG.

Gives me an excuse to post this scan :D

Version pictured is kid. Zoom snaps his neck without any time passing by.

Franklin

Franklin stomps

Depends if Franklin can attack before being blitzed.

Franklin

Franklin is more powerful but I don´t think he can react or even try to do something before he gets speedblitzed

I like Franklin here

What could Zoom do to hurt Adult Franklin??? Adult Franklin doesn't just have shields, he also has Galactus/Celestial level durability.

Autoshields turn Zoom to paste.

Franklin Richards