Ziggy (Edens Zero) vs Hokage Naruto

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#1  Edited By TDJakes

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Ziggy?

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Ziggy waves his hand.

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Ziggy stats?

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Ziggy stats?

Apparently he is a Universal MFTL++ being with Conceptual Erasure

Saying otherwise is just downplay 🤡🤡🤡

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Ziggy is wholly unimpressive.

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@killerqueen: He waved his hand and the planet got destroyed. No named attacks, no going into a stronger form.

His speed is a different issue though. Currently, he'd be a statue to Naruto.

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@dimitri1220: Its hard to say about his speed cause this fellow just simply stands at a place and hand waves and BOOM the planet starts collapsing.

I can bet that Ziggy alone should be ftl in the future

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@lilgodperv: Yea, he'll probably be really fast given there's already a FTL+ character (Chronophage). Also this series is set in space, there'll definitely be some good speed feats.

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Ziggy got higher AP. Seeing how Shiki who also uses Satan Gravity has Durability comparable to his AP, Ziggy should have a durability relative to his AP as well. But so far the only thing he did is waving his hand which destroyed the Planet.

Ziggy either throws him into space or crushes Naruto with the weight of a Planet.

At least his reactions are MHS due to being faster than Witch who can precisely control the path of lightning. (It is conducted on a metal surface, has bzzt sfx, paralyzes opponents and Ether Gear users use/manipulate the natural element belonging to their Ether Gear)

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And before anyone says something like "Granbell is smol" with absolutely no basis, Granbell actually has Continental Land masses if we look at the space shot and it can sustain life. The horizon is also flat with no noticeable curvature.

We have absolutely no basis to say it is smaller than Earth nor can we say it is larger ofc

We just go with the standard planet size assumption

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#12  Edited By Lilgodperv

@gridgod007: It is clearly stated that there are islands and vast amout of water. It is impossible to say how huge the islands are considering that in chinese novels planets have islands bigger than continents and continents bigger than planets.

And from the outer space one cannot even see granbell kingdom on it. So its pretty easy to say that the planet is earth sized at least if not bigger.

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@dimitri1220: he destroyed a planet? Shiki is gonna stomp natsu and haru to fight him

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He destroyed it with a wave of his hand. It was a no-name attack.

The fact that he can survive the vaccum of Space only makes it more unfair because he can destroy the Planet and leave it anytime he wants. He also has a huge range, like the entire Planet.

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Its only on comic vine threads like this exists.

Someone who easily destroyed an entire planet just with a hand wave without even trying, but naruto would do something?

Smh ziggy solos the naruto verse.

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@el_directo_: frieza saga goku vs ziggy . Saitama vs ziggy threads.

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@tdjakes: Not sure what u're trying to tell me.

Ziggy would stomp saitama, and namek saga frieza would stomp ziggy. Either way its a mismatch.

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#18  Edited By Lilgodperv

@tdjakes: if it is super saiyan goku then he would destroy ziggy but if it is base or kaioken Goku then ziggy destroys the planet and goes home while goku dies due to lack of oxygen

Saitama dies probably

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#19  Edited By JDogg  Online

Ziggy crushes the Narutoverse literally lol. He destroyed an island with a casual wave of his hand

then destroyed the planet with a casual flex of his gravity powers.

Ziggy is too powerful for Naruto to handle.

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@jdogg: well ziggy actually destroyed the planet. Granbell kingdom getting destroyed was just its after affects

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Yeah it was a side-effect of the Planet as a whole being destroyed. He didn't destroy them seperately.

But yeah Ziggy crushes Naruto literally

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@lilgodperv: I think he waited to destroy the planet to see Pino's answer and once he knew he destroyed the planet. You can see the effects of the gravity crush happen after he flies away from Pino, but they weren't on when he was talking to Pino. I don't think he has to wave his hand to use his Gravity Ether either as we seen him with both hands folded and start the gravity crush back up after his talk with Pino.

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#24 JDogg  Online

Either way casual planet buster Ziggy > Narutoverse.

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@tdjakes: Ziggy is Jade Emperor of Edens Zero.

Imagine Ziggy tossing around Planets

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@jdogg: hum possibly.

But lets concentrate on the topic here Ziggy effortlessly destroys the planet ehich no one in naruverse can do

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#27  Edited By Lilgodperv

@gridgod007: in the future i can see that happening easily.

Eden zero is like warhammer 40k and ziggy is like the emperor of mankind who can destroy planets and star systems with casual ease.

I can say that eden zero would surely reach universal to multiversal level by EoS

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Chronophage>hst

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@tdjakes: nah man we have characters like mother who is said to hsve created the universe and everything in it. She can grant abilities like omniscience to characters.

Who know if there are characters on the same level as mother introduced in the future.

And we know that ziggy wants to rule of the universe or something

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Busting a planet with special power =/= Having Planet level physical characteristics.

Naruto statues and accidentally one shots, your strength doesn't matter if you can't even use it.

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@greythejiren: wtf naruto having planet level physical strength. Whst am i even seeing???!!!

At best he is mountain level physically.

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Quote the part in which I said Naruto is Planet Level.

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@greythejiren: I didn't properly get your statement can you care to explain

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#35  Edited By GreyTheJiren

Nothing else to explain, I meant what I wrote "literally".

I don't understand how you got Planet Level Naruto from my statement. I didn't even put "Naruto" and "Planet Level" in the same sentence.

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#36 JDogg  Online

When has Mashima created a character that couldn't take his own attack let alone his own casual attack?

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#38  Edited By GreyTheJiren

@jdogg

You can't make such assumptions without actual feats, especially if the person is using special power/magic to do his stuff.

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@greythejiren: i mean ziggy himself was not getting crushed by his own gravity while the planet under his legs collapsed

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Shiki who also uses Satan Gravity can tank what he can dish out. Ziggy not being able to tank something which he did casually is ridiculous.

There are characters who are on par with Ziggy like the OSG who can crush Planets. If he can't even tank something casually he would be easily destroyed by characters of the similar Tier.

Moreover Naruto gets crushed by Gravity almost as soon as the match begins.

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#41  Edited By GreyTheJiren

Telekinesis users tend to defend themselves from TK manipulation, basic example is Mob or Tatsumaki from One.

Nagato from Naruto is unaffected by his own Chibaku Tensei which can lift an Island Worth of Mass into the air, doesn't mean he is physically Island Level.

Hagoromo can rip the Moon's worth of volume from the planet and move it with Telekenesis, Toneri can move the Moon, doesn't mean either of them are Moon Level physically.

So, I don't see what makes Ziggy scale physically from his Gravity Manipulation/Telekenesis.

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#42 JDogg  Online

@greythejiren: It's an assumption to think his own casual attack would do him in. I have never seen a character written from Mashima that can't tank his own attack lol.

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I don't need to prove that Ziggy can't tank his attacks, you need to prove he can. Saying "I have never seen a character written from Mashima that can't tank his own attack lol." isn't a proof.
What you are doing is making a big assumption, how don't you even notice that?

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@greythejiren: Something like that isn't really an big assumption. If you watched 100 ppl jump off a 100 story building and all of them died, The evidence suggests that it's HIGHLY probable that if another person jumps off they will also die. It's possible that the next person that jumps off miraculously lives but odds are they go splat. When you have a long standing precedence of things working a certain way, it's generally safe to assume that they will continue working that way. If you want to assert that this one case goes against the grain then the burden of proof falls on you to provide evidence as to why this one character's stat distribution differs so heavily from every single other character written by Mashima.

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#45 JDogg  Online
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@greythejiren: Something like that isn't really an big assumption. If you watched 100 ppl jump off a 100 story building and all of them died, The evidence suggests that it's HIGHLY probable that if another person jumps off they will also die. It's possible that the next person that jumps off miraculously lives but odds are they go splat. When you have a long standing precedence of things working a certain way, it's generally safe to assume that they will continue working that way. If you want to assert that this one case goes against the grain then the burden of proof falls on you to provide evidence as to why this one character's stat distribution differs so heavily from every single other character written by Mashima.

Very well-put.

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@el_directo_: wait

For real

He busted planet?

What's the chap no?

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Crashing a Planet is unimpressive lol

Pretty retarded

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Casually crushing a Planet is more impressive than any feat in Naruto.

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Enervate Zip loses once again.