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Poll zeus god of war vs cosmic fear garou (99 votes)

zeus 43%
garou 60%
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Garou blitzes and one-shots

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Zeus blitzes and oneshots, the OPM verse explodes as a side effect as it's sadly too weak

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Zeus blitzes and oneshots, the OPM verse explodes as a side effect as it's sadly too weak

In God of War 2 Zeus bled from Kratos smashing his face into some rocks

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LOL at the poll as it stands. Zeus snaps his fingers and the verse dies infinity gauntlet style.

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@mr-yes said:

LOL at the poll as it stands. Zeus snaps his fingers and the verse dies infinity gauntlet style.

GoW 2 Kratos was critically injured by a statue falling on him

No one in that verse is tanking a gamma ray burst

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#8  Edited By EstrellaDeLeon
@sheenlantern said:
@estrelladeleon said:

Zeus blitzes and oneshots, the OPM verse explodes as a side effect as it's sadly too weak

In God of War 2 Zeus bled from Kratos smashing his face into some rocks

Bruh stop coping, even Primordials can punch universes out of each other, and Zeus>>>them.

Garou got literally put out of commission by Saitama after he punched his face into rock, lmao the hypocrisy of ignoring attack potency when convenient

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@mr-yes said:

LOL at the poll as it stands. Zeus snaps his fingers and the verse dies infinity gauntlet style.

GoW 2 Kratos was critically injured by a statue falling on him

After his power got drained lmao

No one in that verse is tanking a gamma ray burst

Gamma Ray Burst that didn't even completely destroy buildings? Daaaamn, Uranus has better feats than all of OPM put together, leave Zeus out.

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Zeus blitzes and oneshots, the OPM verse explodes as a side effect as it's sadly too weak

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#11  Edited By MangaComics69

Also screw the polls, lmao.

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OPM is not on the level of GoW.

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#13  Edited By SheenLantern
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Gamma Ray Burst that didn't even completely destroy buildings?

If you apply this logic to God of War feats, how many are left?

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#16  Edited By heiqn
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In God of War 2 Zeus bled from Kratos smashing his face into some rocks

Even going only by visuals this is an anti-feat.

And dozen more. I can find wall level anti-feats for any character in fiction you want, just give the name.

Last but not least you should understand GOW is a special case when even the director of the game suggests not taking any visual showings seriously. When they want they show cosmic stuff, not like Primordials didn't create the universe on-screen while fighting and Thor didn't warp spacetime and make a giant snake time-travel

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@mr-yes said:

LOL at the poll as it stands. Zeus snaps his fingers and the verse dies infinity gauntlet style.

GoW 2 Kratos was critically injured by a statue falling on him

No one in that verse is tanking a gamma ray burst

Holy shit.

God of War?... more like gods of anti-feats.

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Also screw the polls, lmao.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

oh noooow its "screw the polls"?. You people are hilarous.

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@estrelladeleon said:

Zeus blitzes and oneshots, the OPM verse explodes as a side effect as it's sadly too weak

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Zeus blitzes and oneshots, the OPM verse explodes as a side effect as it's sadly too weak

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@sheenlantern said:
@mr-yes said:

LOL at the poll as it stands. Zeus snaps his fingers and the verse dies infinity gauntlet style.

GoW 2 Kratos was critically injured by a statue falling on him

No one in that verse is tanking a gamma ray burst

Holy shit.

God of War?... more like gods of anti-feats.

In actuality, that was a recently depowered Kratos (put his Godly power into the BoO) getting critically injured by a recently powered Colossus of Rhodes (with his own Godly power)

Of course, GOW criticizers only know how to take scenes out of context.

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@sheenlantern said:
@estrelladeleon said:

Zeus blitzes and oneshots, the OPM verse explodes as a side effect as it's sadly too weak

In God of War 2 Zeus bled from Kratos smashing his face into some rocks

Bruh stop coping, even Primordials can punch universes out of each other, and Zeus>>>them.

Garou got literally put out of commission by Saitama after he punched his face into rock, lmao the hypocrisy of ignoring attack potency when convenient

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Zeus solos the verse lmao

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Also screw the polls, lmao.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

oh noooow its "screw the polls"?. You people are hilarous.

Bro, i despise them to begin with, polls are annoying as hell due to wankers/trolls making alts & crawling themselves to this site, & they like to troll the votes by picking a fav char, which imo, is Blatant fanboying yes??

OT:

Zeus solos the verse lmao

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The absolutely monstrous GoW downplay on this site never ceases to amaze me.

Zeus wipes the verse

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30 votes in 5 hours with no tag list? and they say the elections were rigged.

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30 votes in 5 hours with no tag list? and they say the elections were rigged.

Blame the trolls & Fanboys, lmao.

(I bet this is Sabo's alt army again...)

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@temsbumbumm said:
@sheenlantern said:
@mr-yes said:

LOL at the poll as it stands. Zeus snaps his fingers and the verse dies infinity gauntlet style.

GoW 2 Kratos was critically injured by a statue falling on him

No one in that verse is tanking a gamma ray burst

Holy shit.

God of War?... more like gods of anti-feats.

In actuality, that was a recently depowered Kratos (put his Godly power into the BoO) getting critically injured by a recently powered Colossus of Rhodes (with his own Godly power)

Of course, GOW criticizers only know how to take scenes out of context.

holy cope

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#29  Edited By ProfessorRespect

Yeah I don't know how Garou really loses this. It would take some epic-fumbling to do so.

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#30  Edited By tagsorwhatever

@kleinxx said:

@estrelladeleon said:

Zeus blitzes and oneshots, the OPM verse explodes as a side effect as it's sadly too weak

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@iamtheonewhokno said:
@temsbumbumm said:
@sheenlantern said:
@mr-yes said:

LOL at the poll as it stands. Zeus snaps his fingers and the verse dies infinity gauntlet style.

GoW 2 Kratos was critically injured by a statue falling on him

No one in that verse is tanking a gamma ray burst

Holy shit.

God of War?... more like gods of anti-feats.

In actuality, that was a recently depowered Kratos (put his Godly power into the BoO) getting critically injured by a recently powered Colossus of Rhodes (with his own Godly power)

Of course, GOW criticizers only know how to take scenes out of context.

holy cope

Yeah I know, they really do cope.

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Garou spite wtf lmao.

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Zeus completely one shots OPM. Although, it was funny seeing “Garou blitz and one-shot” and this guy needs to stop creating these threads.

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Zeus completely one shots OPM. Although, it was funny seeing “Garou blitz and one-shot” and this guy needs to stop creating these threads.

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@nixtollo said:

Zeus completely one shots OPM. Although, it was funny seeing “Garou blitz and one-shot” and this guy needs to stop creating these threads.

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#36  Edited By SheenLantern

These are all Kratos feats, show me some Zeus feats.

Last but not least you should understand GOW is a special case when even the director of the game suggests not taking any visual showings seriously. When they want they show cosmic stuff, not like Primordials didn't create the universe on-screen while fighting and Thor didn't warp spacetime and make a giant snake time-travel

That's absolute bologna, it's not just visual showings. The novels, comics and in-game menu descriptions along with Atreus' diary all support what we see in the visual showings. Book Kratos can canonically die to falls and is hurt by sharp boulders and human weapons. Comic Kratos almost died to a normal bear and was cut by normal wolves. In Atreus' diary he writes about how ogres are too strong for Kratos and how he can be hurt by lava.

If the GoW devs wanted to make a game with cosmic level characters, they'd show planets being thrown around as weapons like in Asura's Wrath, if they wanted to have an MC with super speed they'd show him statue raindrops like Dante does in DMC 3. Gameplay limitations are not an excuse as other video games are perfectly capable of displaying these concepts.

If it was just gameplay, and the cutscenes as well as all supplemental material supported cosmic Kratos, then that would be fine. But they don't, they all present the same Kratos. The one who is supposedly FTL yet rides around in a sleigh etc.

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@temsbumbumm said:
@sheenlantern said:
@mr-yes said:

LOL at the poll as it stands. Zeus snaps his fingers and the verse dies infinity gauntlet style.

GoW 2 Kratos was critically injured by a statue falling on him

No one in that verse is tanking a gamma ray burst

Holy shit.

God of War?... more like gods of anti-feats.

In actuality, that was a recently depowered Kratos (put his Godly power into the BoO) getting critically injured by a recently powered Colossus of Rhodes (with his own Godly power)

Of course, GOW criticizers only know how to take scenes out of context.

Do you have an explanation for every other occurrence in the series when Kratos is injured/threatened by a street-level attack

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@estrelladeleon said:

@sheenlantern said:
@estrelladeleon said:

Zeus blitzes and oneshots, the OPM verse explodes as a side effect as it's sadly too weak

In God of War 2 Zeus bled from Kratos smashing his face into some rocks

Bruh stop coping, even Primordials can punch universes out of each other, and Zeus>>>them.

Garou got literally put out of commission by Saitama after he punched his face into rock, lmao the hypocrisy of ignoring attack potency when convenient

Yeah, punched. (More like a karate chop actually), it was the attack by Saitama that did the damage, not making contact with the rock, which you can see by the fact that it caused a massive crater, implying that the rock gave out before Garou's body did, unlike what happened with Zeus and Kratos.

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#39  Edited By MaulSmacker

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These are all Kratos feats, show me some Zeus feats.

Zeus scales above every feat in his verse except like a literal one or two so, actually I can't think of one he doesn't scale above.

That's absolute bologna, it's not just visual showings. The novels, comics and in-game menu descriptions along with Atreus' diary all support what we see in the visual showings.

except they don't, the narrative of the franchise goes out of its way to make clear what level they're on, the very existence of the verse and its plots depend on it being at a certain level of power, there is nothing contradicting that.

Someone already went out of their way and debunked 98.8% of the anti feats you get from GC's album.

Book Kratos can canonically die to falls

contradicted from the fact he fell from the 9000 miles tall Mount Olympus all the way to athens and wasn't damaged in the slightest

and is hurt by sharp boulders and human weapons.

debunked by feats, like a Hydra literally chewing on his arm and accidentally breaking all its teath and not even harming him.

Comic Kratos almost died to a normal bear

*beings that had their powers amplified by some other god and were clearly magical minions, against a Kratos going throigh anger management training.

and was cut by normal wolves.

Cat level Saitama tier argument, the plot was he was doing anger management training by letting them bite him, he slaughtered them and trolls when he let go

In Atreus' diary he writes about how ogres are too strong for Kratos

contradicted by the fact he literally does things no Ogre can hope to ever do and the fact he one shotted magni who was stomping around fucking Ogre lmao

and how he can be hurt by lava.

Dishonest, Kratos survived a straight up volcano on screen from a titan as well as having BoC which have fires on them, he also survived Surtur's flames which are far hotter then any lava, infact hotter then anything in the universe for that matter.

If the GoW devs wanted to make a game with cosmic level characters, they'd show planets being thrown around as weapons like in Asura's Wrath,

Ignorance, asura's wrath have fights where characters don't even destroy pillars they're fighting on lmao, they just have one over the top fight and that is the Chakravartin fight which is infinitely less impressive then the primordial feat in opening cutscene of GoW Ascension

if they wanted to have an MC with super speed they'd show him statue raindrops like Dante does in DMC 3.

they already showed us better speed feats like Heracles and Hermes blocking light of helios, people just cope about that.

Gameplay limitations are not an excuse as other video games are perfectly capable

nope they aren't, cherrypicking certain instances of certain games doing certain things is a very dishonest way of arguing, Elder Scrolls, Shin Megami Tensei, Final Fantasy, DnD, world of warcraft e.t.c. all keep things grounded

of displaying these concepts.

If you cherrypick few games here and there then maybe.

If it was just gameplay, and the cutscenes as well as all supplemental material supported cosmic Kratos, then that would be fine. But they don't, they all present the same Kratos. The one who is supposedly FTL yet rides around in a sleigh etc.

this is also factually dishonest, its the same argument as well Goku is this fast then why does he use a tractor to farm? if Spiderman can move this fast why does he use a bus?

@sheenlantern said:

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Do you have an explanation for every other occurrence in the series when Kratos is injured/threatened by a street-level attack

can you name me one major part of the story of God of War that potrays Kratos as being harmed by " street level attack".

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@estrelladeleon said:

@sheenlantern said:
@estrelladeleon said:

Zeus blitzes and oneshots, the OPM verse explodes as a side effect as it's sadly too weak

In God of War 2 Zeus bled from Kratos smashing his face into some rocks

Bruh stop coping, even Primordials can punch universes out of each other, and Zeus>>>them.

Garou got literally put out of commission by Saitama after he punched his face into rock, lmao the hypocrisy of ignoring attack potency when convenient

Yeah, punched. (More like a karate chop actually), it was the attack by Saitama that did the damage, not making contact with the rock, which you can see by the fact that it caused a massive crater, implying that the rock gave out before Garou's body did, unlike what happened with Zeus and Kratos.

That is also a dishonest argument, using choreography and random gameplay fights is also dishonest but this is even beyond, by your logic everytime Garou and saitama farts stars should be flying around because thats the same level of logic you apply to GOW, infact by your (terrible) logic rock shouldn't even bother garou nor the tableflip, but he ran from it.

@estrelladeleon said:

Gamma Ray Burst that didn't even completely destroy buildings?

If you apply this logic to God of War feats, how many are left?

Good thing he is just applying logic to OPM that you already apply to GOW, and feats that remain remain and never remotely get even touched.

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These are all Kratos feats, show me some Zeus feats.

Zeus scales above every feat in his verse except like a literal one or two so, actually I can't think of one he doesn't scale above.

How exactly? GoW fans love to reiterate that every time Kratos is injured or threatened during gameplay is non-canon, so how could anyone scale to him?

except they don't, the narrative of the franchise goes out of its way to make clear what level they're on, the very existence of the verse and its plots depend on it being at a certain level of power, there is nothing contradicting that.

Goes out of their way by never showing it in gameplay or cutscenes. They even call the reliability of the myths into question, like like Kratos says Atreus not to believe the legends that the World Serpent is long enough to wrap around Earth.

Someone already went out of their way and debunked 98.8% of the anti feats you get from GC's album.

No they didn't. A lot of it might be from GoW1 or when Kratos was depowered but plenty of it applies to full-power Kratos.

contradicted from the fact he fell from the 9000 miles tall Mount Olympus all the way to athens and wasn't damaged in the slightest

Are you talking about the beginning of GoW 3? He fell into Hades' realm, strongly implying he died, he was also clutching his arm and limping, which implies he was significantly injured.

Cat level Saitama tier argument, the plot was he was doing anger management training by letting them bite him, he slaughtered them and trolls when he let go

The point is they were capable of damaging him. If he was a Superman-like character their teeth should have shattered on contact with his flesh.

Ignorance, asura's wrath have fights where characters don't even destroy pillars they're fighting on lmao, they just have one over the top fight and that is the Chakravartin fight

Asura isn't at full power until that fight. Kratos is at full power from GoW 3 to Ragnarok and yet we never see him bust planets or anything like that.

they already showed us better speed feats like Heracles and Hermes blocking light of helios, people just cope about that.

Basically every fictional character has a light dodging/blocking feat. All that tells us is that Hermes is roughly as fast as the Ninja Turtles.

Show me anyone in the GoW verse doing something like this

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nope they aren't, cherrypicking certain instances of certain games doing certain things is a very dishonest way of arguing, Elder Scrolls, Shin Megami Tensei, Final Fantasy, DnD, world of warcraft e.t.c. all keep things grounded

You are the only doing the cherry picking. GoW fans cherry pick stuff like the Primordials, or Thor splintering the world tree and ignore the other 99.99% of the canon.

this is also factually dishonest, its the same argument as well Goku is this fast then why does he use a tractor to farm?

Probably to please Chi Chi or something? I have no idea. We do have proof that Goku could do it by hand, in the original Dragonball one of the first things Roshi makes Goku and Krillin do is plow fields by hand. If there was even one scene in GoW 2018 or Ragnarok of Kratos zipping to a far away location at super speeds, I'd shut up, but there isn't so I won't.

if Spiderman can move this fast why does he use a bus?

To preserve his secret identity?

can you name me one major part of the story of God of War that potrays Kratos as being harmed by " street level attack".

Kratos being injured by Atreus-bear?

That is also a dishonest argument, using choreography and random gameplay fights is also dishonest but this is even beyond, by your logic everytime Garou and saitama farts stars should be flying around because thats the same level of logic you apply to GOW, infact by your (terrible) logic rock shouldn't even bother garou nor the tableflip, but he ran from it.

Garou's fight with Saitama literally put a hole in space, destroyed a planet and a moon. You really don't want to have this argument. Kratos' fight with Baldur caused town-level damage and the game acts like it's a big deal.

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Zeus solos the verse

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Gamma Ray Burst that didn't even completely destroy buildings?

why would it need to "destroy buildings", when the manga made it clear it was fired away from earth.

Sounds like a GOW fan in denial

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#44  Edited By MaulSmacker

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How exactly? GoW fans love to reiterate that every time Kratos is injured or threatened during gameplay is non-canon, so how could anyone scale to him?

by consistently matching him in cutscene and being narratively potrayed as a match or downright superior? Zeus straight up one shotted Kratos from the top of mount Olympus to the underworld directly at the beginning of GoWIII, the game from then revolves around Kratos finding ways to be a match for

Goes out of their way by never showing it in gameplay or cutscenes.

they don't need to, they already showed us how the universe in the greek pantheon was made, a punch between two primordials, Ymir has been dead for thousands of years, but we know how the nordic realms were created, with the murder of Ymir and usage of his body for form the realms, speaking volumes about his size. and they already showed Thor's feat onscreen.

They even call the reliability of the myths into question, like like Kratos says Atreus not to believe the legends that the World Serpent is long enough to wrap around Earth.

and then they go out of their way to prove it in the Freya scene that it was correct and Kratos not disagreeing, Kratos finding it hard to believe at first does not make major plot points non canon

No they didn't. A lot of it might be from GoW1 or when Kratos was depowered but plenty of it applies to full-power Kratos.

and that plenty was also blatantly countered and debunked, to which to this day jo counter has come to, intresting.

Are you talking about the beginning of GoW 3? He fell into Hades' realm, strongly implying he died,

nothing implied he died from the fall first of all, maybe from the lightning, but the beginning of GoW2 has him jumping from the top of mountain Olympus to athens at hypersonic or faster and not even being scratched, Ragnarok has then falling from cloud height to neck and not being damaged at all

he was also clutching his arm and limping, which implies he was significantly injured.

he fell in the river of souls which downright turned off his powers and nullfied his magical capabilities

The point is they were capable of damaging him. If he was a Superman-like character their teeth should have shattered on contact with his flesh.

Terrible argument, the point of the training was to Have them harm him and yet not attack, thats the entire context of the scene, Kratos can hold back dura as shown by him no selling attacks from Thor which killed him, when he was holding back, so him holding back dura so he can get damaged so that he can learn to control his anger is a perfectly fine interpretation

Asura isn't at full power until that fight. Kratos is at full power from GoW 3 to Ragnarok and yet we never see him bust planets or anything like that.

Asura hits the planet level mark way before the Chakravartin fight lmao, one flashy fight and you guys have that as pinnacle of gaming.

Basically every fictional character has a light dodging/blocking feat. All that tells us is that Hermes is roughly as fast as the Ninja Turtles.

Hermes literally downright out runs light on panel lmao, And thats now meant to be as fast as Ninja turtles? even when they show insane speed feats the likes of you stuck in 2011 will find a way to pull out ridiculous downplay anyway.

Show me anyone in the GoW verse doing something like this

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I would be willing the Primordials are moving way faster in the feat you know about.

You are the only doing the cherry picking.

lol

GoW fans cherry pick stuff like the Primordials, or Thor splintering the world tree and ignore the other 99.99% of the canon.

because those are the feats not contradicted by ABSOLUTELY anything and are major plot points and the very reason the games play out the way they do

Probably to please Chi Chi or something? I have no idea. We do have proof that Goku could do it by hand, in the original Dragonball one of the first things Roshi makes Goku and Krillin do is plow fields by hand. If there was even one scene in GoW 2018 or Ragnarok of Kratos zipping to a far away location at super speeds, I'd shut up, but there isn't so I won't.

Zipping to really far away distances would end the very existence of the game lmao, Kratos zips his way to top of mountain and then meets mimir and then zips throughout and finishes the game, won't be a game at all.

To preserve his secret identity?

and how is the instance you reminded not something thats entire about travel speed and to keep up with his son?

Kratos being injured by Atreus-bear?

How is that not a feat for Atreus's Bjorn form.

Garou's fight with Saitama literally put a hole in space, destroyed a planet and a moon. You really don't want to have this argument.

Thor's fight with Jormungandarr was splintering the multiverse to the point Yggdrasil had to send Jormungandarr hundreds of years back in time.

Kratos' fight with Baldur caused town-level damage and the game acts like it's a big deal.

literally didn't happen, their fight crumbled far away mountains and made a deep Canyon where they were and neither of the combatants ever even bothered to comment on it

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🤔 40 + 63 = 100 amirite????

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Gamma Ray Burst that didn't even completely destroy buildings?

If you apply this logic to God of War feats, how many are left?

I applied this logic when you applied that logic with GoW, seems like it's an hard concept to grasp, the one of attack potency, narrative, lore and author intent.

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Bruh stop coping, even Primordials can punch universes out of each other, and Zeus>>>them.

This basically sums up my feelings towards that

Well that'd be cool if I cared of your feelings, sadly I do not.

Kratos still can canonically die to falls, still canonically can be hurt by human weapons etc. And Zeus is objectively weaker than Kratos.

Can die to falls in gameplay? Damn, I truly have no counters against gameplay mecha-oh wait. Non canon, cope.

If you bring falling to River Styx as an anti feat, please stop. Bring showings of "human weapons", hurting Kratos in the story, and not gameplay, I want the actual narrative to tell me Kratos is dying to falls and human weapons.

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These are all Kratos feats, show me some Zeus feats.

Zeus scales weaker versions of Kratos. Kratos struggled with Atlas, Hades beat Atlas. Zeus > Hades.

That's absolute bologna, it's not just visual showings. The novels, comics and in-game menu descriptions along with Atreus' diary all support what we see in the visual showings. Book Kratos can canonically die to falls and is hurt by sharp boulders and human weapons. Comic Kratos almost died to a normal bear and was cut by normal wolves. In Atreus' diary he writes about how ogres are too strong for Kratos and how he can be hurt by lava.

Not true. Same thing exists in every media about God of War. Novels say Kratos can die from fall, but they also say Zeus is strong enough to change the weather with his breath. Comics show Kratos struggling with a bear, but they also show Poseidon seeing the world as a projection. in-game menu descriptions say Hyperion's spear is as heavy as universe. it's not any different than games.

If the GoW devs wanted to make a game with cosmic level characters, they'd show planets being thrown around as weapons like in Asura's Wrath, if they wanted to have an MC with super speed they'd show him statue raindrops like Dante does in DMC 3. Gameplay limitations are not an excuse as other video games are perfectly capable of displaying these concepts.

it doesn't always work. Setting and artistic choices are more important than power. Kratos is greek, games set in Ancient Greece. Mythological beasts are real. They don't travel between uninhabitable planets like Silver Surfer and destroy aliens. Real Greek Mythology itself doesn't have any feats like you claim. They are universal but they never destroy planets, because Ancient Greeks didn't even know there are other planets in the universe. GoW is about Greek Myth, not DBS

Asura's wrath sucks, and God of War doesn't because of this.

Devil May Cry literally gets the same treat as God of War in Comicvine. How can you look at Dante or Vergil and say he is multiversal in first look? I can name hundred characters who is faster than Dante but doesn't see rain in slow motion. Cinematic timing is never an excuse.