Zero Squad Senjumaru’s feat

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Poll Zero Squad Senjumaru’s feat (83 votes)

Planetary 41%
Multi-Planetary 34%
Universal. 25%

So apparently this new feat is widely debated on where it scales to, though there is a lot of cope from opposing anime fandoms, where does it honestly and realistically scale to.

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It’s neither of these.

The only thing that needs to be agreed upon is what she shook. We all can see from what she said and the evidence is that she shook everything, on and off the planets.

Ichigo was not on the planet, he was millions of miles away in a tube yet he experienced the same shaking.

Once that is established, then we can look at the cosmology and decide what level it is.

Regardless of this, it’s clear the level it will be is beyond what the HST has shown so far.

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she shook three planets on panel so like planet level due to that.

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@maulsmacker: she shook the Royal Palace dimension as well which is much bigger than a planet

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There's quite a lot between multi-planetary and universal...

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@undre said:

@maulsmacker: she shook the Royal Palace dimension as well which is much bigger than a planet

Noice.

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You do know there are levels of DC between Multiplanetary and Universal?

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This is just Cour 2.

What about when Aizen appears? Soul King Yhwach? Bankai Ichigo?

Ichibei Futen Taisatsuiryo? Guys, there’s less than 80 chapters left and theres 26 episodes… don’t you realise this is gonna get worse and worse and worse?

Just accept it now.

Senjumaru shook the cosmology, which is universe sized, doing this at a magnitude 3-4 (which it appears to be):

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DMUA/Standard_calculation_for_shaking_the_universe

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Multi-stellar casually.

So that’s where she’s at to me, probably at full power galaxy level

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#8  Edited By KioskX

@ninjarizer: stop smoking crack. There isn't even a canonical distance between Soul King Palace and the ground it is assumed via fancalcs

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This is just Cour 2.

What about when Aizen appears? Soul King Yhwach? Bankai Ichigo?

Ichibei Futen Taisatsuiryo? Guys, there’s less than 80 chapters left and theres 26 episodes… don’t you realise this is gonna get worse and worse and worse?

Just accept it now.

Senjumaru shook the cosmology, which is universe sized, doing this at a magnitude 3-4 (which it appears to be):

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DMUA/Standard_calculation_for_shaking_the_universe

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Multi-stellar casually.

So that’s where she’s at to me, probably at full power galaxy level

NinjaRaizer dropping his VSBW friend calcs which getting rejekted 3 days later anyway

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@kioskx said:

@ninjarizer: stop smoking crack. There isn't even a canonical distance between Soul King Palace and the ground it is assumed via fancalcs

Bro, I don’t care about the distance when concerned with this feat.

The fact is Ichigo wasn‘t near the planet when it was shaking, so if she only shook planets, why was he shaking?

The answer is what she said:

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It said the heavens and the earth of the three worlds.

She says tenchi: everything in the heavens and the earth.

She shook the cosmology.

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Planet

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#12  Edited By KioskX

@ninjarizer: heaven and earth OF the 3 worlds. We literally saw the ground shake thats what she means by earth. She aint shake the galaxy wtf. And at best it's 3 worlds (large planetary)

This is why i hate u bleach fans so much bro. Wank the shit out of everything. Outerversal Yhwach is back on the menu boys

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Oh lol,it aint even a calc for the feat itself,just the yield output for a legit feat LOL

Another L for NinjaRaizer.She shook 3 Planets.End of story

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#14  Edited By UltimateSage
@maulsmacker said:

she shook three planets on panel so like planet level due to that.

if, she only shook the planets(to a noticeable degree to humans). It wouldn't be anywhere close to planet lvl, iirc its only small country lvl to do that. Though it's higher for her since that was just the effect of going into bankai.

she shook the Royal Palace dimension as well which is much bigger than a planet

this is a lie💀 that place ain't that big

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@maulsmacker said:

she shook three planets on panel so like planet level due to that.

if she only shook the planets(to a noticeable degree to humans). It wouldn't be anywhere close to planet lvl, iirc its only small country lvl to do that. Though it's higher for her since that was just the effect of going into bankai.

I mean, we saw what she did, release a silver of her power and shake WoTL, SS and HM, there were no shaking stars and galaxies or blackholes so what was shown was three planets shaking from a tiny bit of her power.

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@maulsmacker: I get ya, I'm just point out that if you have it as "planet(s) were shaken," it's not equaling planet level, since far weaker lvl can also shake a planet.

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With a decent formula you should get some high Zettatons or even some degree of Yottatons

Like i said,its a rly good feat but dont overdo it

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You guys are just yapping yapping, how about you explain why Ichigo shook:

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When he wasn’t on a planet

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@kioskx said:

@ninjarizer: heaven and earth OF the 3 worlds. We literally saw the ground shake thats what she means by earth. She aint shake the galaxy wtf. And at best it's 3 worlds (large planetary)

This is why i hate u bleach fans so much bro. Wank the shit out of everything. Outerversal Yhwach is back on the menu boys

Why did Ichigo shake?

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@maulsmacker: I get ya, I'm just point out that if you have it as "planet(s) were shaken," it's not equaling planet level, since far weaker lvl can also shake a planet.

Agreed

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@kioskx said:

@ninjarizer: heaven and earth OF the 3 worlds. We literally saw the ground shake thats what she means by earth. She aint shake the galaxy wtf. And at best it's 3 worlds (large planetary)

This is why i hate u bleach fans so much bro. Wank the shit out of everything. Outerversal Yhwach is back on the menu boys

double kioskx W.

Keep it up

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It makes no sense that characters like Kenny need shikai to destroy a meteor if they were actually planetary

OT: Below moon level

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@dertilt said:

Oh lol,it aint even a calc for the feat itself,just the yield output for a legit feat LOL

Another L for NinjaRaizer.She shook 3 Planets.End of story

It’s a calc for shaking the universe, and we’re gonna get a personal calc I’m telling you accept it now

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It makes no sense that characters like Kenny need shikai to destroy a meteor if they were actually planetary

OT: Below moon level

That Meteor is clearly Star level 💀

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It makes no sense that characters like Kenny need shikai to destroy a meteor if they were actually planetary

OT: Below moon level

Wtf does this have to do with Senjumaru who anihillates Kenny🤣

Cope

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#26  Edited By KioskX

@ninjarizer: because he was still in the world ? He wasn't touching ground but him feeling the power means her bankai affected the world/planet (by literal statements)

Where are you getting this galaxy level stuff bro

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@maulsmacker said:

@ultimatesage said:

@maulsmacker: I get ya, I'm just point out that if you have it as "planet(s) were shaken," it's not equaling planet level, since far weaker lvl can also shake a planet.

Agreed

It also says that the ‘heavens’ are shaking too, across all of the realms.

That should get it past planetary, by a lot.

Senjumaru is HER.

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@konohana said:

@maulsmacker said:

@ultimatesage said:

@maulsmacker: I get ya, I'm just point out that if you have it as "planet(s) were shaken," it's not equaling planet level, since far weaker lvl can also shake a planet.

Agreed

It also says that the ‘heavens’ are shaking too, across all of the realms.

That should get it past planetary, by a lot.

Senjumaru is HER.

"Heavens" can just refer to sky, Earth is obviously land

its impressive tho, nobody denied

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It makes no sense that characters like Kenny need shikai to destroy a meteor if they were actually planetary

OT: Below moon level

Unrestricted Zero Division should be in a class of their own.

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@constantine9000: ?? The meteor’s only feat is being stated to be able to destroy the seireitei

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Now, if a Moon hit a planet and obliterated it, that would still result in some sub planet level energies. And now somehow shaking them with no damage at all is what, planet level?

I already know that the answer to this will be "cope" as to deflect form the actual argument. Two can play this game though.

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@dertilt said:

Oh lol,it aint even a calc for the feat itself,just the yield output for a legit feat LOL

Another L for NinjaRaizer.She shook 3 Planets.End of story

It’s a calc for shaking the universe, and we’re gonna get a personal calc I’m telling you accept it now

Shacking 3 planets aint higher as Planetlevel+

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The fact her power reached from the Royal Palace to all 3 worlds means she had to have shock other planets and stars considering these worlds are dimensions apart. This is also mftl+ travel feat

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As predicted all the Naruto people jumping all over this.

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Now, if a Moon hit a planet and obliterated it, that would still result in some sub planet level energies. And now somehow shaking them with no damage at all is what, planet level?

I already know that the answer to this will be "cope" as to deflect form the actual argument. Two can play this game though.

She shook everything in the heavens and the earth, that’s why Ichigo felt it and he wasn’t on the earth:

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This guy is out of earth:

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This was two episodes ago

She still shook him

So shaking earth lightly means she shakes a rocket ship aswell?👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

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#38  Edited By diydeath

So this gets kinda complex.

She SHOOK the 3 planets. So just releasing her bankai had trans-dimensional range but that doesn't mean she's planetary in AP. That's a big distinction to make here, range is not the same as AP.

As for her AP, she's reality warping/sealing; sewing her targets into story tapestries. Reality warping is super hard to do AP with and generally plays by it's own rules, what matters more for reality warping is the potency of the feat and any reality warping resistances the target has.

If I had to go by the options here I'd say multi-planetary - but none of these are great options imo.

Ya'll are necromancers, summoning me from a multi-year hiatus lol.

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It makes no sense that characters like Kenny need shikai to destroy a meteor if they were actually planetary

OT: Below moon level

Kenpachi is fodder.Why even mention this loser?

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#40  Edited By NinjaRizer
@kioskx said:

@ninjarizer: because he was still in the world ? He wasn't touching ground but him feeling the power means her bankai affected the world/planet (by literal statements)

Where are you getting this galaxy level stuff bro

Bro, you’re not even seeing how you’re wrong. She shook the earth LIGHTLY.

You tell me how this energy propogated to Ichigo, who was here:

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Tell me how Ichigo felt this light shaking that only happened on three planets.

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@ninjarizer: Yes, Kenny was stomping a stronger version of valkyrie then Senjumaru was

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@diydeath said:

So this gets kinda complex.

She SHOOK the 3 planets. So just releasing her bankai had trans-dimensional range but that doesn't mean she's planetary in AP. That's a big distinction to make here, range is not the same as AP.

As for her AP, she's reality warping/sealing; sewing her targets into story tapestries. Reality warping is super hard to do AP with and generally plays by it's own rules, what matters more for reality warping is the potency of the feat and any reality warping resistances the target has.

Cooking.

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#43  Edited By KioskX

@ninjarizer: The are in the sky. You're acting like they're in some different reality or space. We saw the sky barrier over seritei also warping which is what they could mean by heaven

the feat is just planet level (or multi) considering all that's happening is shaking. No planet destroyed. Earthquakes themselves were tiny anyway

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@dertilt: Kenpachi was fighting an amped Gerard

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@diydeath:

She SHOOK the 3 planets. So just releasing her bankai had trans-dimensional range but that doesn't mean she's planetary in AP. That's a big distinction to make here, range is not the same as AP.

You almost hit the nail on the head.

If she has trans dimensional range, why would you only count the fact she shook planets?

She must’ve shook the dimensions between, right? The Dangai? Garganta?

This is why she said this:

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heavens and the earth of the three realms

It’s not just the ground. It is also what is in the heavens of those realms, meaning the cosmology shook.

That is why Ichigo shook too, while he isn’t on the planet:

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There is no way anyone can argue the shaking was violent enough on the planets to reach Ichigo. He’s by any practical estimate millions of miles away from Soul Society.

She shook the cosmology from the Soul Palace. It scales to AP as a casual feat. It is not planetary, it is WAY above.

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@ninjarizer: Yes, Kenny was stomping a stronger version of valkyrie then Senjumaru was

But Senjumaru destroyed them all? Easily?

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@ninjarizer:

You haven't posted planet level feats or support for them. This is just the usual Bleach thing where we argue if it is the planets or the universe. I don't agree with the latter. And if it is just the planets, then it is nowhere near planet level even for all three planets combined.

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@ninjarizer:

I have a hard time believing that she actually defeated them, given that they all have other fights later in the series

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@ninjarizer:

You haven't posted planet level feats or support for them. This is just the usual Bleach thing where we argue if it is the planets or the universe. I don't agree with the latter. And if it is just the planets, then it is nowhere near planet level even for all three planets combined.

I guess we’ll see.

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#50  Edited By diydeath
@ninjarizer said:

@diydeath:

She SHOOK the 3 planets. So just releasing her bankai had trans-dimensional range but that doesn't mean she's planetary in AP. That's a big distinction to make here, range is not the same as AP.

You almost hit the nail on the head.

If she has trans dimensional range, why would you only count the fact she shook planets?

She must’ve shook the dimensions between, right? The Dangai? Garganta?

This is why she said this:

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heavens and the earth of the three realms

It’s not just the ground. It is also what is in the heavens of those realms, meaning the cosmology shook.

That is why Ichigo shook too, while he isn’t on the planet:

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There is no way anyone can argue the shaking was violent enough on the planets to reach Ichigo. He’s by any practical estimate millions of miles away from Soul Society.

She shook the cosmology from the Soul Palace. It scales to AP as a casual feat. It is not planetary, it is WAY above.

That falls apart once you realize there's more to the cosmology than Earth, HM and SS though. She didn't shake Valley, Hell, Muken, Reverse Worlds, etc. So we don't have all the information and in light of that we shouldn't be assuming the absolute best case scenario when there's evidence to the contrary, you literally have the evidence in your screen shot.

It's way more impressive that her bankai is a pretty badass reality warping one. We'll see how it plays out with how she's inevitably defeated, Jugs or Ishada could fill that role pretty well since they both reverse uno the enemy.